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BOV's Thu, 30 December 2004 06:34 Go to next message
Hey im looking at gettin a BOV for my car. The car is fully comprehensively insured so i dont want to void insurance over a BOV. Is it possible to have BOV's that r street legal? What is the difference between sequential and sonic? Any information would be good thanx Very Happy
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Re: BOV's Thu, 30 December 2004 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you want legal you'll probably need a plumback bov not at venting to atmosphere type
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Re: BOV's Thu, 30 December 2004 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you want it legal you will DEFINANTLY need it plumbed back Razz no two ways about it. beauty of the plumb back unit is that it wont be as obnoxious and loud as an atmo.
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Re: BOV's Mon, 03 January 2005 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool thanx. Is there much performance increase if any? or just for better turbo health? do the plumback BOV's need any extra piping? Thanx
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
*edit*

well at da moment only plumb back is legal and is fitted
to some cars at factory.

bov's reduce backpressure against the turbo when it is spooled up , backpressure causes it to slow down and bad for the fins.
backpressure increases turbo lag, because the turbo has to spool
up again.


if you are gunning the car and changing gears >

pedal down
engine powers up turbo
turbo spools
change gear, pedal up >>>> turbo still spooled
engine not using as much turbo flow
pressure builds up in front of turbo
pressure slows down turbo spinning (backpressure)

also atmo and plumb back bovs :

orignal bov was a plumb back to elimanate back pressure
but it returned the air to the turbo to be compressed again,
now when air goes through a turbo it becomes heated and if
it returns again it is heated twice wich is not desirable, so
atmo bovs were invented so heated air could escape and the air
going to the engine would only be heated once.

boost, bovs, bleed valves, intercoolers seem simple but can be complicated, id recommend some research. like simple bleed
valves cause spiking, there are 2 stage boost controllers etc

ask if u wanna know much else and check out other info
cheers


















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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
styler wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 17:06


bov's reduce backpressure against the turbo when it is spooled up , backpressure causes it to slow down and bad for the fins.

if you are gunning the car and changing gears >

pedal down
turbo spools
change gear, pedal up >>>> turbo still spooled
engine not using turbo
pressure builds up in front of turbo
pressure slows down turbo spinning (backpressure)
pedal down
turbo spools... etc etc



This is not a very good description on how and why a BOV works Confused
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool1 wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 18:08

styler wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 17:06


bov's reduce backpressure against the turbo when it is spooled up , backpressure causes it to slow down and bad for the fins.

if you are gunning the car and changing gears >

pedal down
turbo spools
change gear, pedal up >>>> turbo still spooled
engine not using turbo
pressure builds up in front of turbo
pressure slows down turbo spinning (backpressure)
pedal down
turbo spools... etc etc



This is not a very good description on how and why a BOV works Confused


care to explain it better for me Very Happy
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BOV = performance fallacy
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pedal to the floor opens throttle body allowing air/fuel mixture into engine.
Engine loads up causing turbo to spool and make boost.
Boost travels through throttle body into the engine.
When pedal comes off floor, the throttle body closes.
Compressed air from turbo has no where to go so the turbo stops spinning freely.
With a BOV in place the compressed air vents out of the system when the throttle body is closed allowing the turbo to keep spinning a little more freely.
The BOV only helps prevent a tiny bit of "lag". Maybe a little more than a tiny bit on high boosted engines.
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
styler wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 18:06


well at da moment only plumb back is legal and is fitted
to some cars at factory.

bov's reduce backpressure against the turbo when it is spooled up , backpressure causes it to slow down and bad for the fins.
Bad for the fins? What you been smoking?
You can run a Turbo engine with NO air filter, have rocks go in, belt the fins, and have no damage to the turbo...
The compressor surge does not hurt them, although it does induce lag when shifting...
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyosho wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 19:35

You can run a Turbo engine with NO air filter, have rocks go in, belt the fins, and have no damage to the turbo...

Shocked

WTF have YOU been smoking??
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 21:19

Kyosho wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 19:35

You can run a Turbo engine with NO air filter, have rocks go in, belt the fins, and have no damage to the turbo...

Shocked

WTF have YOU been smoking??


People claim that the boost "spiking" causes shaft play, yet hard things like rocks, although they do mark the fins, don't do anything to shaft play at all, many older cars also had no BOV from factory, and MANY MANY cars, run no BOV with high boost...
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
people will argue that 'cars come from the factory with a BOV like 200sx, rx7 etc'

fact : they are there to REDUCE NOISE when fitted at the factory

nothing to do with turbo wear/damage.
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyosho:
Care to explain where the extra pressure from the compressed air goes when the throttle shuts?

Where do you get this info about rocks and "other hard things" not doing damage?

Boost spiking and compressor surge are two totally different things.

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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I tend to agree with the limited few (including Simon at Nizpro) that such valves are really only to kill the gobble gobble noises. The noisy ones, obviously, serve NO useful purpose, apart from shouting 'WANKER!' constantly. Then again, a lot of people still believe that turbo timers also actually save their turbo, rather than provide a convenient hotwiring point...
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
86twinky wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 21:31

Kyosho:
Care to explain where the extra pressure from the compressed air goes when the throttle shuts?

Where do you get this info about rocks and "other hard things" not doing damage?

Boost spiking and compressor surge are two totally different things.

The compressed air when the throttle is closed, with NO bov builds within the air intake (After the turbo, before the TB) until the point that the pressure in that confined area, is great enough as to a) Start to force back through the fins while they are still spinning forwards making that sound you get when you blow through a fan the wrong way, and then b) Eventually stopping the turbo so that there is no longer much pressure left...
I understand the boost spiking and compressor surge are totally different things, but if you stick a boost guage between the turbo and TB and have no BOV, you will witness the boost spike quite high... That was why I had it in there in my previous post, probably not the best way to explain things as it does get confusing...
I was explaining with rocks not doing damage, in regards to causing shaft play, sure it marks the fins etc, but if a hard thing can smack the fin, cause it stop in an instant, and cause no shaft play, then why will air, stopping the compressor over say half a second, cause shaft play?

I agree the rock causes "damage" but not in the sense of shaft play etc...
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mrshin wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 21:36

I tend to agree with the limited few (including Simon at Nizpro) that such valves are really only to kill the gobble gobble noises. The noisy ones, obviously, serve NO useful purpose, apart from shouting 'WANKER!' constantly. Then again, a lot of people still believe that turbo timers also actually save their turbo, rather than provide a convenient hotwiring point...

I say if you can't sit in the car for 30 seconds to a minute, your a lazy person...

Or just let it cool off boost for last minute or two of driving...
Only affect the Turbo timer has, is allows turbine to spool down to idle spool speed before loosing all its "push"
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Driving the car gently for the last little bit is a lot more effective than sitting there idling, building up heat under the bonnet, etc. anyway...


"Only affect the Turbo timer has, is allows turbine to spool down to idle spool speed before loosing all its "push"" - what you mean by that?
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wouldn't his GT4 have a BOV already? if so, no point in getting another one unless it is leaking.

Spend your money on something useful is my opinion Razz

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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeh that was my thinking.
are there any modern turbo cars without bovs?
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyosho wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 20:25

Norbie wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 21:19

WTF have YOU been smoking??


People claim that the boost "spiking" causes shaft play, yet hard things like rocks, although they do mark the fins, don't do anything to shaft play at all, many older cars also had no BOV from factory, and MANY MANY cars, run no BOV with high boost...

So you're telling me a rock striking a delicate aluminium blade spinning at 100,000 rpm will not cause any damage apart from "marking" the fins?

And even if that was true (which it quite clearly isn't), what on God's green earth does that have to do with BOV's?
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
An OEM bosch plumb back is cheap insurance, vent to air aftermarket ones are just annoying. This "boost spike" you are describing kyosho is the sudden increase in pressure caused by the closing of the TB, that force has nowhere to go other than back to wards the turbine. Spinning something at extreme RPM's and then applying a large force to it in the opposite direction whilst the exhaust gasses still try to push the turbine in the original direction isn't a great thing. It may or may not screw your turbo in the end. People will argue until they are blue in the face as to whether or not they are necessary.. but i'd prefer to pay $50 for a part I may not need rather than a turbo rebuild.

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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wouldn't his GT4 have a BOV already? if so, no point in getting another one unless it is leaking.





i know my st165 gt4 engine didnt have one. im not sure that the 185s did either, i know the 205s do.
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Re: BOV's Tue, 04 January 2005 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey im not sure if mine does have a BOV installed factory, maybe the group A ones had it installed from factory but not the standard ones? where would i be lookin? There isn't one atached to the TMIC ?
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 02:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the explaination was in the context of the question but thanx cool1 for your explaination too.

there is a misconception with certain people that a bov adds like 20% power lol,
bovs reduce lag and backpressure on the turbo.

when turbos were invented they spun and blew the f&*k out
the engine, reason - no wastegate, we dont need a wastegate!
now id rather run a plumb back bov and turbo timer to be safer.


Kyosho wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 20:35

Bad for the fins? What you been smoking?
You can run a Turbo engine with NO air filter, have rocks go in, belt the fins, and have no damage to the turbo...


you speak for yourself.









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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
st165 and st185 didn't have factory bov/bpv fitted.
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyosho wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 20:35

styler wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 18:06


well at da moment only plumb back is legal and is fitted
to some cars at factory.

bov's reduce backpressure against the turbo when it is spooled up , backpressure causes it to slow down and bad for the fins.
Bad for the fins? What you been smoking?
You can run a Turbo engine with NO air filter, have rocks go in, belt the fins, and have no damage to the turbo...
The compressor surge does not hurt them, although it does induce lag when shifting...



run away!

http://www.turbo.co.nz/alltech/referencelibrary/images/StrayNutDamage.jpg

Dust caused this one
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A pebble
http://www.turbo.ee/images_pub/damage_05.jpg
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Might be diggin a hole there Kyoshi Very Happy thanx for info guys im gonna ring my issurance company and see what they say... hopefully they r nice Very Happy
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 07:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you going to have a bov have one that plumbs back. cos in SA ones that vent to atmosphere will get you a defect note, not sure in other states though. the 7mgte has a factory plumb back so im going to stick with it. That is my 2 cents
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
correct me if im wrong.....

but i was lead 2 believe that a turbo timer allowed the turbines 2 spool down 2 idle speed rpms and also allows the oil in the motor and turbo 2 cool down and cool the turbo (slighty).....

ur out boosting pull up in ur mates driveway and flick off ya car and head inside, the turbo turbines spool down pretty fast with no exaust gas pushing them but ur turbos now sitting ther hot az baking in its own juices cause the oil flow has stopped and dribbled away 2 the engine also water coold turbos no water flow...

correct me if im wrong (probwerly am) bt thats what i heard and id like 2 know what they actually do

cheers Smile

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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thats how turbos timers 'work' but what may i ask is cooling the oil and water to cool the turbo while the car is stationary? nothing......... so, if you havent been boosting or only a little bit and you use your full sick turbo timer for 30seconds to 1min then your turbo ends up hotter than it was if you just shut your car off... Turbo timers are a waste of time!
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Firstly, a turbo will "spool down" pretty much instantly when you take your foot off the throttle, so a turbo timer has nothing to do with that. Idling down a turbo engine is beneficial in some circumstances, ie if you shut the engine off when the turbo is glowing orange you're going to cause long-term damage! Of course this will very rarely (if ever) happen on a street car, which is why I believe turbo timers are a total wank.

FWIW all turbocharged piston-engined aircraft have a minimum idle-down period after landing (usually around 5 minutes), so the issue is real. Of course aircraft engines experience vastly different load cycling to automotive engines, so this doesn't mean the same thing applies to a car!
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I would be a bit concerned if the oil and water in your motor gets hotter while the motor is idling.Time to add a thermo fan.It does not hurt to allow a motor ( turbo or otherwise )to idle for a short time to allow temperature of different components to equilerbrate especially if it has been working hard.
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Wed, 05 January 2005 21:06

Firstly, a turbo will "spool down" pretty much instantly when you take your foot off the throttle, so a turbo timer has nothing to do with that. Idling down a turbo engine is beneficial in some circumstances, ie if you shut the engine off when the turbo is glowing orange you're going to cause long-term damage! Of course this will very rarely (if ever) happen on a street car, which is why I believe turbo timers are a total wank.

FWIW all turbocharged piston-engined aircraft have a minimum idle-down period after landing (usually around 5 minutes), so the issue is real. Of course aircraft engines experience vastly different load cycling to automotive engines, so this doesn't mean the same thing applies to a car!


I'd have to disagree with the "instant" spool down... We could still here a cars turbo we were working on for around 30-45seconds afterwards spinning down... It was a T28, and the engine was not being boosted, we had it sitting there idling whilst working a tune on the idle... Yet we shut the car down, and you could here the turbo spooling down (Whining), but yes they do start to spool down when you first take your foot off, but they don't instantly "stop" when you turn the car off...
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oh ok, so your motor doesnt heat up with no airflow over your radiator? right....... a thermo will keep it down sure, so leave your car idling long enough for the thermos to kick is is stupid, just drive your car normally for 2-3mins before you reach your destination. Turn it off, and its cooler than leaving it idling.
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
interesting pics of broken comp wheels

i do however note that nobody seems to be able to post any evidence of turbo units that have failed becaose there was no BOV

you know why this is? because BOVs dont do anything except reduce noise on standard cars.

everyone says 'cheap insurance for your turbo' but nobody can provide evidence of damage that is caused by not having one of these valves. not even the companies that make the valves can provide this evidence.
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyosho wrote on Wed, 05 January 2005 20:42

I'd have to disagree with the "instant" spool down... We could still here a cars turbo we were working on for around 30-45seconds afterwards spinning down...

The turbo may be spinning while the engine is of boost or even idling, but it will be a few rpm, not tens of thousands of rpm. In other words, nothing to worry about in terms of bearing damage.

Give it up dude, you're clutching at straws now and it's not making you look any smarter. Smile
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Spanktown wrote on Wed, 05 January 2005 19:47

thats how turbos timers 'work' but what may i ask is cooling the oil and water to cool the turbo while the car is stationary? nothing.!


huh?

the engine is running when the turbo timer is engaged and hence circulating water from the radiator thru the engine and the turbine housing (and possibly donut oil cooler if fitted) taking the heat way from these warm things and loosing it via the radiator.

Many turbo cars also have oil coolers attached to the engine's oil circulation system and it would (during the run down of a turbo timer) do the same thing as the cooling system.

So, it's radiator (and oil cooler) are cooling down the oil and water which are cooling down the turbine bearing housing.

well, actually it starts with the drawing of air over the radiator's fins ... but let's not get too technical.
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
this is an interesting read. i am still contemplating whether i should install my TT and BOV...
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thats what i meant tho just 2 allow the parts 2 cool down a bit b4 u turn everything off

i think every1 agrees 2 disagree because sum of us see these parts as (riceboy) parts and dont do shit 2 ur car but others look at the little bit they do do reducing lag (bov's) etc even if its only fractional and letting ur turbo cool down a bit (t-timers)and decide 2 use them anyway

but cheers anyway ive learnd sum good stuff from this Smile
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
would it be safe to say that if your turbo car goes on track days alot and you're on the throttle/clutch alot, it would be wise to invest in a BOV? just for the sake of the longevity of the turbo?
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
From reading it seems that if u run high enough boost, and are driving in boost enough the the reduction in lag is worth getting a BOV...
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Re: BOV's Wed, 05 January 2005 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
WantaTurbo wrote on Thu, 06 January 2005 09:56

From reading it seems that if u run high enough boost, and are driving in boost enough the the reduction in lag is worth getting a BOV...


Lag is a minor factor, turbo longevity would be more so a reason (for those who believe in the "mystical" turbo saving powers of a bov that is)..
If you want one, get it.. just stay away from vent to air ones.
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Re: BOV's Thu, 06 January 2005 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If you're running a decent amount of boost and a big FMIC (like I am), a BOV is a good way to ensure your inlet hoses stay attached. Without a BOV the pressure spikes can be quite large on full-power gear changes, and this can be enough to pop the hoses off or even split them in extreme circumstances. IMO this is a large part of the reason manufacturers install BOV's in the first place.
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Re: BOV's Thu, 06 January 2005 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

wrong answer, the factory installs them to quieten down compressor surge

remove a factory bov and see how things sound different on gear changes

your average mum and dad new car buyer would certainly be put off by the noise
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 01:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well you seem very sure of yourself! Is this confirmed fact or merely your assumption?
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 03:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it is a confirmed fact

here is one example from the rx7 turbo (ie series 5) factory service manual

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DECELERATION CONTROL SYSTEM

DESCRIPTION
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* Air bypass valve: Bypasses compressed air from after the turbocharger to before turbocharger during deceleration to prevent noise.



again, where is some evidence of turbo damage caused by not having a blow off valve? nobody can produce this evidence from a reliable source (ie not your mates brothers cousin who works for sikD1workshop) because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
interesting.
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nobody can produce this evidence from a reliable source (ie not your mates brothers cousin who works for sikD1workshop) because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

It's all a government conspiracy...

I'd say it would be hard to provide examples of this as a lot of it may be interpreted and normal wear and tear on the turbo.
How about instead of insisting that everyone prove not running a BOV can damage the turbo, you prove that damage caused to turbo's isn't related to not running a BOV.
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
look, i am not going to sit here and diagnose broken turbos

here are some FACTS i will leave you with

did the turbo f1 cars of the late 80s use a BOV - no
did the le mans 24hr endurance cars of the same era use BOVs - no
did the 700hp + rally cars from this era use BOVs - no

the people behind the above were at the pinnacle of these motorsport engineering fields for about 10 years and did not once bother with BOVs.

one other fact i will leave you with. in 1991 the caltex sierra of colin bond raced bathurst, it DID have a BOV. it did not finish the race due to a broken turbo shaft.

it is up to each individual to decide if they think these 'noise makers' are necessary but wouldnt it be great if they could determine their own requirements by FACT and not by 'add on sales' and 'marketing'?

the ball is in your court
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 05:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pro_ke wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 13:37

it is a confirmed fact

here is one example from the rx7 turbo (ie series 5) factory service manual

(snip)


That's nice, but it has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

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...this (pressure spike) can be enough to pop the hoses off or even split them in extreme circumstances. IMO this is a large part of the reason manufacturers install BOV's in the first place.

Your response was "wrong answer", but you have yet to provide any reason why it might be wrong?
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pro_ke wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 13:56

here are some FACTS i will leave you with

did the turbo f1 cars of the late 80s use a BOV - no
did the le mans 24hr endurance cars of the same era use BOVs - no
did the 700hp + rally cars from this era use BOVs - no

Were any of these turbos required to last more than a race or two before being rebuilt or replaced - no.

So did you have any FACTS relevant to this discussion? Laughing

PS settle down, it sounds like you're about to burst a blood vessel there. We're talking about blowoff valves FFS!
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 06:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Thu, 06 January 2005 22:50

IMO this is a large part of the reason manufacturers install BOV's in the first place.



- the point is its got nothing to do with hose pressure, it is to do with noise reduction

- are you saying a car that has to run flat out for 24 hours under race conditions is not durable? i dare say a turbo that is put onto a car for a 24 hour endurance race (and to some extent even the f1 cars, can you say 3 bar boost?) will have to do a lot more work than any person on this forum's personal turbo. and the race car does not need a BOV.

- i would like to see a world where people are not getting ripped off and brainwashed into thinking they need to spend $300 on something which does nothing

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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pro_ke wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 16:36

- the point is its got nothing to do with hose pressure, it is to do with noise reduction

And MY point is it's more likely to do with both (and probably other factors also). I was asking for proof that it's definitely noise reduction and nothing else, but clearly you have none - as I suspected. Smile
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
but there are no other reasons, and i have never seen or heard of a hose blowing off on closed throttle (blow off hose? Very Happy )

sounds to me like you are a bov owner searching for justification of your ownership.

its ok there are groups that can help Very Happy
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
This thread is starting to become gay.

I want to know what happens when your running 20+ psi and then the throttle body closes when you dont have a bov?? The pressure has to go somewhere, and theres no way in hell its all going to escape back through the turbo thats spinning like mad without causing damage Confused
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I also want to know about these F1 cars that you need to completely come off the throttle to change gears?
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ask every F1 head engineer from 1987!

ps the turbo units used on these cars are very similar to the units you see in road cars today, f1 technology does actually filter into road cars from time to time Smile
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pro_ke wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 17:57

but there are no other reasons, and i have never seen or heard of a hose blowing off on closed throttle (blow off hose? Very Happy )


Do you have any actual hands on experience with turbo cars?

It's not exactly uncommon for hoses to pop off under closed throttle for a gear change.
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Re: BOV's Fri, 07 January 2005 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
pro_ke wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 17:06

ask every F1 head engineer from 1987!

ps the turbo units used on these cars are very similar to the units you see in road cars today, f1 technology does actually filter into road cars from time to time Smile

I think you lost a few to many brain cells back in 1987 Rolling Eyes If the throttle body comes to a complete close in an F1 car during a shift, something has broken.
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