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2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 02:53
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I'm not them most technically minded person when it comes to engines, but I was wondering
a) how much $$$ I would be looking at if I had a reconditioned 2T engine ported and polished as well as having the valve seats hardened + whatever else needs to be done to convert a leaded petrol engine to run on unleaded?
b) is this actually possible or am I just talking gibberish 
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Brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 03:48
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it is possible, it would be also expensive unless your mates are in the industry, but it would be a wiser choice for you to get yourself a 2TGEU or a 2TG with the later model head as they can accept unleaded fuel without doing anything to the head. i wouldnt waste time on a 2T for that, unless you really want to..
cheers.
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 06:33
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What do you think a ball park figure would be to do the conversion + port and polish?
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Location:
Canberra
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August 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 07:24
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hey mate. its tom from year 11..(or is that 12 now?)
im runnin my 2t on premium and adding some octane booster with upper cylinder limit stuff in it and it runs just fine. mat from yr 11 works at super cheap and u can get a bottle of the stuff for 15 or 20 bucks i think
tom
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Dandenong Ranges, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 09:21
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ive been using premium + Flashlube in mine, but ive also heard that 2T's are ok to run on normal unleaded. pretty sure theres a thread on here with some related info, try a search.
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 10:12
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2T's do not require lead (or that lead-replacement crap), so run it on unleaded fuel and all will be well - just make sure you use the higher octane stuff.
As for rebuilding your 2T with a port and polish (do you even know what that does or why you think you need it?), it will cost way more than it's worth. You could very easily spend over $3k and end up with not much more than 100hp, and you'll be pissed off when a stock Hyundai wipes the floor with you. Your money could be better spent elsewhere...
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 10:42
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Actually youll wipe the floor with the stock hyundai - but sound better and look way cooler than some korean shoebox 
but if you have the choice of repair or replace - i pick replace - with something twincam - namely a 2tg or 2tgeu if you have that option and budget
A swap to geu wont cost all that much more all up than recoing the 2t as you mention
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 12:45
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| Classique71 wrote on Wed, 05 January 2005 20:42 |
Actually youll wipe the floor with the stock hyundai - but sound better and look way cooler than some korean shoebox
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With a stock 2T with a "port and polish" and nothing else? Dream on.
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 13:05
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mate one engine model is all i got to say... 2TG... if you dont want to mess around with wiring and ECUs then get it with side draughts, its a straight bolt in, so pull 2T out and put 2TG in... not sure bout exhaust though buteither way what you recon is easier
also the amount of mods you can do with the 2TG is 10x more than 2T and the with the final power output, theres no need for thought
with port and polish on a 2T you WILL NOT get any benefit at all, keep in mind that it has a piss ass tiny carby
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 14:24
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I think the problem here is that I have too many options...  (giving me a headache)
Those are some very discouraging port and polish words people seem to have. Perhaps someone might have a head that's already been ported and polished and want to sell???
As for an engine transplant, I don't particularly want to get into that sort of thing at the moment. Too much work! + $$$ + the 2T engine I'm talking about, is a reconditioned one in a 2nd celica I bought specially for the engine. So I don't want to go searching for a 2TG when I have a perfectly good 2T lying around. As well as the fact that although lots of power is nice to have, I'm not really into it...yet.
BTW Tom in year 11 now 12  you just reminded me I should post those pics of the 3 TA22s up ...anyway... remember the black RA23 with the 18R-GU? Well I was talking to the guy that owns it today and he just bought a 2JZ for it  Totally irrelevant to this topic, but interesting news none the less.
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Wed, 05 January 2005 15:18
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mate yu will find that no one has one and no one has done it... it is just not worth it... if your gonna get some one to do it for you then your gonna end up paying bout $300 to get it done... that covers $100 for the port and polish, $100 for head shave/pressure test and basically a full check up and then $100 in gaskets and getting the head back on...
now that should be top end pricing so you might find it cheaper but by no more than $50... for that amount of money you are better off leaving the head how and where it is and just get a pair of side draught webers and throw them on... it will cost the same and give better power output...
since i dont know your depth of knowledge i wanna ask do you know why people do a port and polish? you seem so adament in getting it done without a solid reason behind it... dont get me wrong its your car and your money and what ever you ask we here on the mods will be more than happy to help out a fellow modder but as you can see every reply has been basically stating not to do it...
your money would be better spent on side draughts or extractors or even boring the stock carby would be better than a port and polish on that motor... also on that motor if you spend the $250 odd for the port and polish you will literally only get 1rwkw out of it! probably not even cause a port and polish produces better response under acceleration, ie, instead of taking 1 second for fuel to get in the motor it will take .9 seconds (these are hypethetical numbers but the idea is the same)
power is produced by the amount of fuel and air released in the cylinder followed by the compression and the spark produced. a port and polish increase the rate at whicj fuel and air goes in and fumes get out and does not increase the volumes. it is only suitable for drag and race conditions and even then you will find that a MILD port and polish is done
anyway at the end of the day you do what you want anf good luck with it
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Thu, 06 January 2005 01:39
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he could lay the seat back and play europop
then again i keep forgetting mine was a shade warmer than a port + polish job
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Thu, 06 January 2005 02:39
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I slightly disagree with fade-e's comments as a mild port and polish, a mild cam, a clean flowing exhaust and a decent intake (maybe 2T-B down drafts), would definitely make at least 20% more power than the stock 2T produces. But then again it would only bring it up to the 2TG standard, and you'd be set back at least $1500 if done properly.
I'd recommend to install a decent 2TG already cleaned up with ported head, larger cams, and possibly EFI. They seem to pop up here on the for sale section regularly enough to be able to choose between two or more at one time.
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2004
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Location:
Crapberra
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September 2003
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Re: 2T mods
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Thu, 06 January 2005 21:37
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Hmm if you're adamant about putting in the recoed 2T you should have a talk to Phil in the CCG (PM me if you want his number) as he's got a 2TB Twin Carbie set up for sale which would give you some heaps better power... Still bang for buck you can't get past a 2TG, and trust me you don't need a lot of experience to put one in a 22. Just and engine hoist and the phone number of someone whos done it before and is willing to help... Hmm like me 
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Location:
Ballarat
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January 2005
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Re: 2T mods
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Fri, 07 January 2005 02:33
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You could always get a 3T engine from a toyota T-18 and fit the crank and rods to your 2T. This upgrades your engine to a 1.8 instead of a 1.6 and with a set of extractors, a 2 inch exhaust system with no resonator and a sports muffler, double valve springs and maybe a 32/36 down draft weber carby (from a gt cortina or the like) with a ramflow ait filter will get your baby cooking pretty well. there are instructions avaliable for the mod, i can send you the link if you send me an email
Cheers
Stevie K
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Re: 2T mods
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Fri, 07 January 2005 08:30
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| 7mgtema71 wrote on Thu, 06 January 2005 13:39 |
I slightly disagree with fade-e's comments as a mild port and polish, a mild cam, a clean flowing exhaust and a decent intake (maybe 2T-B down drafts), would definitely make at least 20% more power than the stock 2T produces. But then again it would only bring it up to the 2TG standard, and you'd be set back at least $1500 if done properly.
I'd recommend to install a decent 2TG already cleaned up with ported head, larger cams, and possibly EFI. They seem to pop up here on the for sale section regularly enough to be able to choose between two or more at one time.
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if he does all the mods then there is significant power gains but he only wants a port and polish and nothing else from what i gather... but if does the port and cams and side draughts then fine but its still not worth it cause as you said it will only get 2TG power values
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timaru NZ
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January 2004
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Re: 2T mods
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Sat, 08 January 2005 05:25
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| k@z3 wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 15:33 |
You could always get a 3T engine from a toyota T-18 and fit the crank and rods to your 2T. This upgrades your engine to a 1.8 instead of a 1.6 and with a set of extractors, a 2 inch exhaust system with no resonator and a sports muffler, double valve springs and maybe a 32/36 down draft weber carby (from a gt cortina or the like) with a ramflow ait filter will get your baby cooking pretty well. there are instructions avaliable for the mod, i can send you the link if you send me an email
Cheers
Stevie K
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why fit a 3-T crank into a 2-T to create a 3-T? dosn't make sense.
the 2-T will respond well to a P+P if the cam has been done and either twin factory carbs or a weber d/draft have been fitted.
why do people believe the pushrod version is inferior when they flow the same as the twin-cam, and is heavier with move rotating masses
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Re: 2T mods
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Sat, 08 January 2005 10:42
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for a direct drop in of a 3t crank thats 200cc extra dispalcement not bad for a cheap upgrade imho
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Location:
New Zealand
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May 2002
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Re: 2T mods
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Sat, 08 January 2005 11:14
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| Moonbreaker wrote on Sat, 08 January 2005 23:42 |
for a direct drop in of a 3t crank thats 200cc extra dispalcement not bad for a cheap upgrade imho
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Probably easier just to mod the 3T though. Mostly this is just done with the 2TG head, the 2T and 3T heads are basically the same so there is no benefit. Not to mention you are likely to need to clearance the block.
Callum
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Location:
timaru NZ
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January 2004
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