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Henn
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GE vs ZE heads Tue, 11 January 2005 22:49 Go to next message
Sorry if this has been done before, I couldn't find any reference to it though.

Are smallport 4AGE heads the same as the smallport 4AGZE heads? And bigport?

I know cams are different, but I was more thinking of ports, valves and combustion chambers, etc...

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Tue, 11 January 2005 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
as far as i know, all bigport heads are the same 4age/4agze and all smallport heads are the same 4age/4agze.
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Tue, 11 January 2005 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cams are same too.

example, SMALLPORT:

4A-GE no.1
#13501-16030
4A-GE no.2
#13502-16020

4A-GZE
no.1
#13501-16030
no.2
#13502-16020

[Updated on: Wed, 12 January 2005 00:28]

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Wed, 12 January 2005 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well, clearly I had it wrong about cams.

Thanks for the replies.

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Wed, 12 January 2005 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cams are same? i know there are 232 and 240 degree cams from 4age. maybe its aus and jap cams that are different.

so can anyone confirm where each respective cam came from?
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Wed, 12 January 2005 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bigport had longer duration and slightly higher lift cams than smallport.

Good site I just found at club4ag, cam stuff (look down the bottom)

Hen

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Wed, 12 January 2005 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so henn is right or witzl is wrong?

henn 1 witzl 0

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Wed, 12 January 2005 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
they are both right......
ALL 42mm crank 4age/4agzes had the same cams, that goes for aw11 4agze. late aw11 4age, ae92tvis, non tvis, ze map, ze afm and ae101 ze.
the 40mmcranks type, ae82 early aw11 had different cams

lets make this simple......
all parts that are differnt on the 4agze compared to the 4age:

pistons.
rings
camcovers

thats it. blocks, cranks, rods, heads, cams are all THE SAME

[Updated on: Wed, 12 January 2005 22:15]

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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr Revhead wrote on Thu, 13 January 2005 08:04

they are both right......
ALL 42mm crank 4age/4agzes had the same cams, that goes for aw11 4agze. late aw11 4age, ae92tvis, non tvis, ze map, ze afm and ae101 ze.
the 40mmcranks type, ae82 early aw11 had different cams

yep, thats how i see it.
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr Revhead wrote on Thu, 13 January 2005 09:04

they are both right......
ALL 42mm crank 4age/4agzes had the same cams, that goes for aw11 4agze. late aw11 4age, ae92tvis, non tvis, ze map, ze afm and ae101 ze.
the 40mmcranks type, ae82 early aw11 had different cams

lets make this simple......
all parts that are differnt on the 4agze compared to the 4age:

pistons.
rings
camcovers

thats it. blocks, cranks, rods, heads, cams are all THE SAME


What about the oil squirters on the AE92 and AE101 ZE's? Did the equivalent GE's also have these?
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yep
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yup they did.
but that brings up another point... the aw11 early ae92 ones didnt have them....
basiclly the 4agze is the same as the same year 4age.
thats a bit more accurate
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i think 10/89 is the "changover" date for 4A-G*** series motors.
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hmm interesting....

4agze/4age got squirters from 5th 89
small port change over date is 5th 89
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i find this site to have some useful info
http://www.users.bigpond.com/vidore/toyota_4age_en gine.htm
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah thats a pretty good site, a coupla inaccuracies but nothing too major that iv found yet Cool
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah, i've found it to have less mistakes than all the other sites i have seen with simular info.
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
like i said warwick, i *think*... obviously i was a little wrong Smile
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Thu, 13 January 2005 23:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
im just a pedantic bugger for dates Razz
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Re: 4AGE and 4AGZE bottom end differences? Sat, 28 May 2005 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sorry wrong thread.

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Re: 4AGE and 4AGZE bottom end differences? Sat, 28 May 2005 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have heard that the heads are different, but to know for sure you would have to look at them side by side.

what are you cooking up henn?
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Sat, 28 May 2005 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nope, heads are exactly the same. I have two GZE heads, and three GE heads. Which is which i cannot tell (except the one which is on the GZE came on the GZE)
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Re: GE vs ZE heads Sun, 29 May 2005 01:11 Go to previous message
ok cool, thats good to know, even though i have banned myself from turboing my smallport
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