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Did NZ ever get the hardtops from new?
Is the going rate for examples in Japan high, like it is with most other older cars there? I would imagine that even a GT version would be a fair bit cheaper than a Celica GT/ST of the same vintage.
Gook luck in your search 
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Hiya Shovelnose,
Yes I remember you pointed me to some hardtop sites on here before!
NZ got the earlier RT9# hardtops from new, but I'm not sure about the RT11#.
How do you find out the values of these cars in Japan?
I have had a good surf on the web and only turned up for sale in Japan, both at dealers:
- RT114 GT (18RG - 5speed) - P.O.A
- RT112 1800 GL (16R - 4speed) - 336,000 Yen or $4,200 AU approx.
The photos of the blue car are actually that RT112 1800 GL. Only problem is that by the time the car is landed and certified, I'm lookng at $10,000 AU and I'd still need to put an 18RG and 5speed in it to make it go. I have not asked for a price on the GT, as I figure it will be high.
I'm hoping to find one in Aus/NZ cheaper. If I can't find one, I guess I will approach a few importers and see if they can get me one. Unless anyone else has any suggestions...
Cheers.
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I don't know much (i.e. I know nothing!) about the values any remaining hardtops in Japan. But I assume they would not be as "collectable" as say a Celica, so the price of even a GT would not be that great. Put it this way, if I could get a GT spec car for around $10k in Oz that was in good nic I think that amount would be worth it.
I think someone in QLD - the guy who runs the Rising Sun Collectors club - imported a RT76 GSS for around $5k. I saw pics in "Restored Cars" magazine. It was neither a basket case or concourse but it seemed pretty good. It even had what I believe to be factory spotlights/driving lights behind the grille. I would have though that a rare type of early GT Toyota like that would have been worth more than thatin Japan, so maybe a decent RT114(?) GT Corona would not be too exy. Just a thought, if you are not already a member - the Rising Sun Register has or did have a periodical newsletter where there are classifieds. You could place a Wanted advert - you never no what leads you might get. I was after a 1600GT at one point (don't really have time/money/space for the momment) when I was a member but the one car I was referred to was not worth the trouble.
Maybe one day if I am in the postion, I will just get one from Japan as that where the bulk of them are (South Africa got them too I am told - aywhere else?) and where people have the money to keep them looking and running properly. I mean you are unlikely to have a redneck in Japan who would put a Holden motor
and V8 axle in a 1600GT like someone did in Australia, or do the rotary/tub thing to a TA22GT - those people should be shot.  Last time I heard they were selling for around $25K in Japan.
Another place thsat you could possible get one (if they were sold there that is, and not washed away by the tsumani  ) is some of the countries to our north. Countries like Papua New Guinea for example got the early 70's Crown wagon that we missed out on - the one with the body coloured integrated bumpers. Who know what other unusual stuff they got..
Maybe there is an importer or two out there who specialises in the older JDM cars who would be able to advise you further. If it was me, I would only go through the hassle to get one of these if it was a GT, as they had the only engine that was not a truck motor, they had the full instrumentation, stronger driveline and rear track rods etc. You would not then have to track down all those parts later on. There was an 18RE injection that could go alright but that would not sound as nice as the 18RG.  And I would get the facelifted model with the Rolls type concave grille - I hate that look.
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Sun, 16 January 2005 03:03
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I figure if I fail to find one in Oz or NZ (SL/GL or whatever) I will try further afield. If I can get a car here at a good price, I can sink some money into upgrading it. I want something roughly GT spec eventually - putting in 7MGTE etc and racing WRX's is not my thing.
I know the non-GT RT114 was sold in South Africa as all the option codes are in my parts book for the RT10# and RT11# series. I would also settle for LHD USA spec one, but as you say, if I'm going to that trouble, I'm better off getting a GT one from Japan.
The same dealer with the blue RT112 1800GL also has an RT7# hardtop 1700DX. He wants 420,000 Yen for that one, so maybe his prices are way over the top, as the RT76 GSS you mentioned should have been more costly surely?
Dealer link:
http://www.nostalgiccar.com/02_zaiko/zaiko.html
This GSS and the Risging Sun Collectors register sound interesting! Any online links?
PS:
I gather you mean you don't like this grille?
Cos I don't either!! Prefer the earlier type. But really, I'd accept either just to get that swoopy body.
Cheers.
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Sun, 16 January 2005 05:46
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Yeah that's the one  Still, if you were in a position to get a GT version of that one at a good price, and I imagine they would go for less in Japan due to been less collectable with that front end, you could just get some early front end panels and grille to make it look right again.
Some nice cars for sale at that link. The KGCP10 Skylines, Isuzu 117's etc etc.
Another link I found with cars in truely fantasic condition (with what I am sure is fantastic prices to match) is:
Old Car Mansion http://www.kyu-syakan.com/index.html
They have no RT11X's in stock at the momment, but one never knows. Many of the cars here were stripped of interior trim to show that the cars had no rust underneath the carpets etc. Very droolworthy stuff. 
Now for those details:
RISING SUN COLLECTORS REGISTER of AUSTRALIA(R.S.C.R.A.)
P.O.Box 84 Banyo,
Queensland 4014, Australia
ph: 07 326 75708
fax: 07 326 71550
Contact: Mr Alan Taylor
This guy is not on the net unfortunately (is a bit older and not PC literate) and the only indirect net presence is on the Classic Crown MSN group, where there are infrequent updates (from what I have seen) implemented by members who have intenet access. I read somewhere that someone was suppoed to help him with settig up a website but as far as I know this has not been done. Fax is probably the quickest and most convenient way to communicate with him for now.
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Sun, 16 January 2005 23:43
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Thanks for those details and that dealer's website. His prices are even scarier than the dealer I posted.
But definitely drool-worthy stuff. I like most pre-1980 JDM cars, especially bodystyles and performance models we never saw in Oz. I used to drive an Aussie Gemini done up to a JDM lookalike - Isuzu badges, grille, console, gauges, the lot.
Here's an RT114 that was sold in the Phillipines last year - for about $1500 Australian! But unfortunately the interior has been tastelessly modded, and who know's whats lurking under that shiny paint job.
If it turns out I can't find a RT11#, I will got for my second favourite - an RT7# Mark II series. A mate who is a crown nut had an RT72 in the early 90's. He scrapped it due to rust. 
Cheers.
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Mon, 17 January 2005 01:49
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Yes did a conversion on some of those prices - $73K AUD on a long nose 240ZG if my maths is correct....!
The gunmetal fake GTR looks great but my favourite one on the page is the turquoise Celica GT - with POA
Naturally my first choices in no paticular order are Corona 1600 GT, genuine Skyline GTR (1st gen), Corona GT RT114 and RT76 GSS. I am pretty much the same-if it is a two door (or four door) performance version of porridge sold here, or a wagon not sold here etc, and made before around 1980, that gets me interested.
It seems that the RT11X was sold in the Phillipines?? Given that the Bankstown-on-Manilla example here sold for little money, maybe the going rate for an unmolested example would not be too much. I would as a first point of action try and speak to an importer who deals in older JDM cars - just to get an idea of prices. I don't know how it all works but I don't think all the importers would source all their cars from overpriced dealers with their margins - they would get them from auctions and who knows where else. Maybe someone else here has other ideas?
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Mon, 17 January 2005 06:51
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I nearly did a U turn in the middle of Geelong this morning to chase a rough-looking Isuzu Florian going the other way. I haven't seen one of these for at least five years.
My wife thinks I'm nuts.  She can understand the Mini obsession (I have three - Moke, Van and Woody Wagon) but can't understand the old japanese cars thing!
I'll try a few other options, such as the Rising Sun Collectors Register and Japanese Restorer magazine before I talk to some importers. I'm in no hurry so I'll only go down the import route if I have to.
Thanks again for the tips. 
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Mon, 17 January 2005 07:05
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There used to be a really nice 117 coupe that parked at the same railway station I did when going to work.
Havn't seen a Florian on the road for ages, apart form one at a car show about 4 years ago
And, at another railway station on my line a Bellet GTR (!) parks there on a regular basis. No unusual Coronas though 
On Australia Day there will be the usualy NRMA Motorfest car display, and I hope to see some interesting old heaps
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Mon, 17 January 2005 07:16
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I park my Mini Van at the station every day too. The only other interesting car I see parked there regularly is an RT40.
That guy is game leaving a Bellet GTR at the station - but I guess the local hoods would not know what the heck it is anyway. Some idiots decided to use my Mini van as a trampoline in Aug 2003 - a badly dented roof was the result. I claimed on my Shannons policy and had the roof resprayed white (car is french blue) when the car was repaired.
Feb 13th is the Hanging Rock show (near Melbourne). All the wierd and wonderful cars come out for that one. Last year we had three Minis in a row with a 20's Rolls on one side and a De Lorean on the other. I love that show!
You live in Sydney yes? I grew up there, in Kareela in the Sutherland Shire.
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Mon, 17 January 2005 07:31
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I am in the Shire too - and not too far from Kareela
The suburb where the GTR parks is decent and the fact that the hoons don't know what it is and the suburb is decent mean it has remained unscathed - touch wood
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Mon, 17 January 2005 08:05
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Good for the GTR, and glad you didn't mention the location on an open forum!
I think I told you this before, but the only RT114 I have ever seen up close lived in Taren Point, next door to my grandmother. It was a choc brown personal import from South Africa. It disapeared in about 1985, but I saw a rough-looking yellow one going the other way near Southgate shopping centre in 1994. I always figured it was the same car resprayed, as it has the same mags. Never saw it again.
Unlike our cream RT104 SE (HTB.221) which I seem to see again every time I visit the area! It now lives in Engadine or Heathcote I think.
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Yes I deliberately didn't mention the location, as undesirables do use the internet, unfortunately 
I grew up in the northern beaches but have been in the Shire since the mid 80's and have been in the vicinity of Southgate many times but I never saw this car, nor any other RT11X in the metal.
I saw a white RT945 SL in the inner west about 4 years ago which looked like it was ready for the scrapyard, even though it was still been driven. And I spotted a immaculate blue one on Military road in Mosman about 20 years ago.
It seems South Africa got a few unusual models. I'm told they even got the 1600GT's - and they probably got more than the 9 or 11 that Oz got.
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Mon, 17 January 2005 21:56
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I moved away from the Shire to Wagga in 1993, but I used to go back on Uni holidays to sponge off Mum and Dad. Then I moved to Vic in late 1996, so I only get back there about once a year now.
My mate that scrapped the RT72 (lives in Oyster Bay BTW) reckons he had an RT94 in the early 80's. Apparently it was a revolting purple, so he got an outside only respray done in white - the door jambs, engine bay etc were still purple.  Maybe it was that rough white one you spotted.
I was recently offered a LHD RT95 (18R powered) on one of the Yahoo groups for just $200 US. But if I'm going to ship a car halfway around the world, it has to be the "right" model.
Saw a TT132 two-door hardtop advertised in the Melb. trading post for $2,500 about two years ago. It was already sold by the time I called. A few weeks later I spotted a white TT132 hardtop on the westgate freeway and gave chase. It MUST have been the same car. Unfortunately I could not photograph it while driving, and the poor guy must have wondered why this nutter in a Jackaroo was following him. It was not as nice as an RT11# anyway.
A mate of a mate went to South Africa last year, planning to bring back two genuine Mini utes. I asked him to look for a RT114 Corona hardtop for me as well. The idea was to stick all three in one 40 foot container (a Mini ute is only 11 feet long). But unfortunately his mother passed away, so he had to rush back to Oz.
The yellow hardtop in your avatar - is that a 1600S? Is it your only classic Toyota?
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The car in my avatar is a mighty Corona 1600 GT, not a 1600S. Easy to tell as the GT has those little vents near the top of the guard. It's hard to tell in that pic, but the front guards of the GT had bigger wheel cutouts and larger front and rear inner wheel cavaties, to allow fatter tyres for racing in Japan
The only Toyotas I have owned were a AE93 SX hatch (now sold to a friend-and a bad advertisment for front wheel drive but a good one for overpowered wayward shopping trolleys) and prior to it, a Subaru and prior to that a ST162 Celica which was very good indeed-maybe a future classic?
I think I said before I looked at a GT once and it was rather unstraight etc, and I didn't want one THAT badly.
In Sydney about 4/5 years ago a white 1600S hardtop was for sale in that other magazine that is similar to Uniqiue Cars but thinner. It had a 18RG, 5 speed and was slightly lowered with Minilites. From the photos and the description it looked very good inded and appeared to be straight as, and I think the advertised price was $6,500. I didn't buy it as I was at the time about to leave my crappy job and return to full time study to change career (second attempt at that). I didn't even go to check it out playing the part of the tyre kicker as it would have made me ever more upset. I spent more that that amount on the course and it didn't work out afterwards as I couldn't get a job in that field. So I was back to square one with that money and time wasted - and I missed out on a potentially great 1600S coupe
You mentioned Wagga - must have gone to Charles Sturt Uni? I went to Bathurst (by correspondence) and did a Business degree (my first career change attempt) but that was all for nothing as it opened no doors for me, and the specific field was much more competitive than I had anticipated. Not having any luck in that dept.
The TT132's as a coupe look OK, but I don't like that rear opera window they have. Even though it is into the 80's I prefer the TT142 GT-T with the 3TGE.
I think the RT95 I saw was different to your friends' one as it looked like it was original but neglected from day one, and the white paint was faded and dull. The rear suspension was a bit jacked up - or was it that the front had sagged? Also I saw who got out when it parked (great as I wanted to have a closer look at it!), and it was two men whom I am almost certain were gay, not that it matters of course. A $US 200 LHD RT95 would be a bit dodgy and not worth the shipping. I wouldn't say no to a JDM RT95 SL or SR - the variant that had EFI and 5 speeds and rear anitoll bar etc
I didn't know they made genuine Mini utes. Was that a South African only thing? They had all sort of strange things there like V8 Perana (Capri), 3 litre Alfa GTV's (old RWD models) and 3 litre V6 Cortinas...
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I've never seen a 1600GT up close, so I didn't know what to look for.
Yes, I went to Charles Sturt Uni. I did a bachelor of Info Tech. and spent a lot of time mucking around with cars on the side. I met my wife at Uni, which is how I ended up in Victoria. No career changes yet for me - but after 8 years of IT, I would like a change.
Never actually owned a Toyota, but my Mum worked for Thiess Toyota (who imported the commercials and 4x4's) so my family always had them. My favourite was the 84 Tercel 4x4 wagon. That thing went better than 1435cc should! When Mum was finished with it as a company car (10,000km), she bought it cos Dad wanted to keep it. It was traded away in 1996 with 280,000km still running strong but just starting to use a little oil.
I recently tried to buy a Prado Turbo Diesel when our first Jackaroo Turbo Diesel was written off. (I took it in for a service and the dealership managed to set fire to it and write it off!!!) But the Prado was not as quick as the Jackaroo (SOHC 8 valve 96kw vs DOHC 16 valve 118kw) so we bought another Jackaroo.
Wouldn't mind a TT142 GT-T hardtop myself. There was one advertised on this forum recently, but somehow I missed out on that one.
Mini Utes were available in other countries (Europe, UK, New Zealand and Sth Africa) but never sold officially in Aus. Instead BMC Aus offered a Moke with an aluminium tray (one tonner style) bolted on the back. A silly decison really, when you consider how well the Datsun 1200 ute sold!
There was also a Cortina ute available in Sth Africa - with 3.0 V6 power. Saw one at a car show in Geelong a few years ago.
I bet that 1600GT wasn't cheap, even if it was rough! I know of one 1600GT that got written off. It belonged to another member of this forum, who has a genuine RT104 GT sedan.
You never know, "your" 1600GT may turn up one day. I thought I would never get a Mini Traveller (woody - my favourite Mini) as they were never sold new in Aus. But I got one for free! It needs a lot of work, but I don't mind if it takes me 10 years. The Minivan took me three years to restore, and the Moke has taken two years so far.
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Tue, 18 January 2005 15:55
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This is what the 1600 GT looks like...
This is a "normal" 1600S, although this particular example is rather special.
It's hard to get good pics of these cars on the net, but there are differences in badging, fender vent, larger front wheel arch(not so apparent in supplied pic), black vs silver rear panel and of course the engine and other mechanical enhancements. Nice to see they both share good taste in Minilights!
Incidentally I didn't even know the Corona hardtop body shape existed until I saw a white 1600S at Narrabeen in Sydney's North about 25 years ago....I thought there was only the sedan and 5 door hatch. It turns out there is also a single and double cab ute, and a 3 and 5 door wagon in the extended Corona family of this generation. The Shovelnose sedan is a prolific breeder
I would like to at least grab a JDM borchure of the 1600 GT on eBay, but so far nothing.
In the UK the Mark 2 Cortina was sold with a V6 by an aftermarket tuner and called a Savage Cortina. You probably mean a Mark 3 V6 as a ute? Still, any Cortina with more than 2 litres is a scary prospect in my book....
I didn't know the Mini Traveller/Woody (I assume the wagon with the wooden panels) wasn't sold here. I just thought they sold very few but were unpopular as I have seen very few of them in years gone by. I thought they were called the Countryman anyway?
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Yes, I can see the differences between the 1600S and 1600GT now. That 1600S was in Fast Fours and Rotaries years ago, I think it had a 4AGE in it. Either one looks good to me. (Why don't they have a smiley for drooling!)
There was a 1600S hardtop in the Melbourne trading post with an 18RGEU etc in it a few months back. The seller wanted $12,000! Besides it had been modified too much to interest me - yuk colour and interior, modified dash etc. But I really prefer the RT11# series, as they have a bit more space and can tow 1000kg. I want to be able to cruise in an RT11# on days when I've had enough of the harsh suspension and tiny size of a Mini. Minis are great around town and the handling is phenomenal, but they're a bit uncomfortable for long cruises.
I have a Mini-sized car trailer, so I thought it would be great to tow the Moke to motorkhanas with an RT11# rather than the Jackaroo. I prefer to tow the Minivan/Moke to 'khanas in case I break something!
The Sth African Cortina Ute was available in MkIV (TE and TF) form. I don't know if it was available as a MkIII (TC, TD)
Yes, Travellers were never officially sold here. But in those pre-ADR days any enterprising dealer could bring in anything, and I believe some did. In those days most BMC models were available as either an Austin or Morris in Europe/UK. So you could have a Morris Mini Traveller or an Austin Mini Contryman. The cars were identical except for badges, grilles and paint colours. Either model could be ordered with or without the wood. My Traveller was ordered without wood, but it is easy to add it.
My Traveller was apparently bought new in London in 1965 (rego EYR.53C) and driven across Europe and Africa to Cape Town (maybe), then shipped to Singapore where the owners lived for a few years before finally arriving in Melbourne in the late 60's. The owners settled on a farm in Cobram, Victoria. Their kids drove the car until it became tatty, then the grandkids got it as a paddock bomb until one day it stopped. It sat there for years. Finally I heard about it, went up there and rescued it. They gave it to me for free, as they were just glad to see it rescued and restored.
When I have an RT11# on the road I will probably sell my Minivan and then get stuck into the Traveller restoration. I'm planning to keep it looking stock on the outside, but add a 1275, disk brakes, air con and wider Cooper S rims. Some pics of my cars on my page, although it is a bit out of date.
http://www.geocities.com/b_nicho/index.htm
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I've said it before and I will say it again - there is bugger all on the internet in relation to these cars.
I did a search for RT11X and I basically got references to parts lists, specification tables and tiny thumbnails of JDM brochures, which could not be expanded. Don't you hate that? Speaking of brochures there was a RT11X brochure for sale on eBay a few months ago. It was a JDM one and it had the hardtop on the cover. I was going to bid for it but I asked the seller if it covered the GT models. He said it only covered the 16R 1800cc versions, so not even the SL/SR EFI models were included.
For the earlier RT55 series GT, I found this French site which has a few pics of the car in better detail than one normally finds for these cars.
http://www.ies-geneve.ch/2000gt/Corona/1600GT.html
I don't think I mentioned it before but I actually did drive the one that was for sale when I had a look at it. It was unregistered and hadn't been used much so it drove very very sloopy as the tyres/steering/shocks etc were very worn. But the engine sounded like a 1960's Alfa and the gearchange was very direct - same gearbox as the 2000 GT.
And here are some of the missing drools...
I think that the cheapest option at the moment is to find out for sure if NZ ever got the RT1XX. Maybe some of the NZ members here (if any) can help?
When my brother went to NZ a few years ago, he commented on how much weird stuff was sold there. Obviously it would be much cheaper and easier to ship something across the Tasman that was in RHD, than anything from anywhere else. If it was sold in NZ you could be sure that there would be more than the 2 or 3 or 4 that seem to exist in Australia.
I had a quick look at your site featuring the little BMC wonders. I saw an 1300 GT type model a few years ago in Sydney's North. I think it was badged as a MG. I always liked the idea of a plain Mini panel van with the Cooper engine.
I wonder what a Moke with a 1275 Cooper engine would go like?
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Yes, there is very little in cyber-space on the RT11# series hardtops. I have been searching for years. I have found a couple of cars in USA and one in Canada, but that's about it.
But there will be one more site featuring this model, when I get one!
I've basically collected everything I can on this model, pictures from the 'net, an owners manual (USA 20R spec) and
factory parts book. I have a USA sales brochure on the way.
I even have a mint Tomica model of a RT114 Corona 2000GT the same as this one!
http://hellototomica.com/tomica/0890102_e.html
I was very happy the day I bought that!
I'm looking into NZ, keeping an eye out on a few forums and trademe.co.nz (sort-of NZ equivalent of eBay). So far - nothing. We are planning a holiday in NZ around Easter, so I will see what I can turn up then. Shipping is around $1500 and if the car is 30+ I only have to pay GST on the car's value. If it's 29 or less, 15% import duty and then 10% GST on top. So now's a good time to find a 1974 or early 75 model. Then I have to pay another $800-1000 to get the car complianced by an engineer.
What happened to the RT5# 1600GT that you drove? Did it sell, or is it still lying around somewhere? I can imagine one of these would be a real giggle to drive.
BTW, I'm also quite partial to Carina hardtops (sort of half celica and half corolla), but I've never seen one except online. They seem to have a bit of a following in the USA.
My Mini van's engine is basically Cooper spec (not Cooper S spec). It's only 1132cc, but it's quicker than some 1275 Minis!
A Moke with a Cooper S engine? It flies!
A Moke weighs around 550kg (about 100kg less than a Mini sedan) so stick a hot 1275 engine in there and hang on!
I have just spent the last two days prepping and respraying the engine bay and interior surfaces of my Moke with that "Panel Fleck" paint they use in Ute trays. (I'm on annual leave) This Moke is going to be for play, not showing, so I wanted the hardwearing anti-chip surface inside. I can finally start putting the steering column, pedal box, dash, front subframe etc back in. I have a low mile 1275 engine and 4 speed Auto box out of a 1990's Mini ready to fit to the Moke. The Auto saps a bit of power, but I wanted to be a bit different. Should be fun!
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It would be great if Autoart made 1:18 scale die casts of the Corona GT's. I have Toyota 2000 GT amd KGCP10 Skyline GTR models, and they are totally awesome.
Now, the 1600 GT that I drove did sell, and here it is with the well known Green 1600S with the 20valve that has been in magazines. 
You might ask, well why didn't I buy it-it looks great. Well the photos are a bit deceiving, partly because those pics were taken at a prior Motorfest and I had a good film camera use in conjunction with a crappy scanner. Ironically now I have a better scanner but I have a digital camera so no issues with conversions etc.
The car was "quickly restored" by the Sydney buyer and it is now quite presentable at first glance but it is still not "straight". I hope the owner is not a member of this forum.  I am rather fussy and I would have done the job properly, but would have cost even more $$$. I knew what to expect before I saw the car again as I had heard gossip about the new buyer and the subsequent work on the car. With theese pics it is hard to tell but having the car alongside the green one you can see just how good the bodywork on the green one is. It is just on another level altogether.
I didn't mention that the guy who owned the car when I looked at it had another 1600GT! It was white and in a shed and had no drivetrain and the interior was stripped. It had a Toyota Stout engine at one stage...... Ironically whilst this car too needed a restoration, the body on it was straighter than the red one. 95% of the parts were around the guy's property. The guy who bought the red one also bought the white one at the same time! I head that he was going to do a really detailed restoration on it, but I don't know what has happened since then.
That years' show was a very good one for RT40/50 Coronas, as you can see. I think there was even a ute and a 5 door hatch further down the lineup. All it needed was some station wagons (or vans as they call them in Japan) to complete the picture.
I like the 1st generation Carinas too! The early ones with the TA22 Celica type dashboard I liked the best. They changed the interior about 75/76 and it looked American. The sold a few of them in Europe. I didn't know they sold the Carina in the US. As you would know the enghine options pretty much mirrored the early Celicas.
What is the difference between a Cooper and a Cooper S - engine and otherwise?
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Sat, 22 January 2005 09:29
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Hi,
Great lineup of pics!
There was a model of a yellow Corona 1600GT available on eBay recently, but I'm not sure who made it or in what scale.
How did that guy end up with TWO 1600GT Coronas!?!
It's funny how sometimes you come across a seriously rare car, and the guy has two or three of them.
I understand your comments on teh red 1600GT. With old cars, I find a lot of people have different opinions of what a "restoration" is. To some it is a quick bog-n-file then a respray. To others it is a concourse winner. I prefer to have a tidy car that may not be perfect, but looks good enough to impress. My van is not exactly dead straight, but it was always intended to be a daily driver. I didn't want it perfect, so I did not have obsess over it, if you get what I mean.
EDIT: I intend to restore the Traveller to a much higher standard, as it will not be left at the railway station every day.
Either way, I appreciate the effort that has gone into keeping any old car presentable and roadworthy. While the red 1600GT may not have been restored real well, at least it is preserved and back on the road. It can always be redone later.
There were quite a few variations on both the Cooper and Cooper S. Much like a JDM Corona is different to an Aussie sold one, Mini's varied according to their intended market. Cooper S built in Australia had a 1275cc engine, larger brakes with a servo, wider rims, speedo with a higher top reading and twin tanks. In Aus the Cooper S replaced the Cooper (998cc)completely, but in other markets (eg: UK) you could buy either Cooper or Cooper S at the same time, or even a 970cc or 1071cc Cooper S.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Sat, 22 January 2005 10:19
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Hi,
yeah don't get me wrong - the red one doesn't look like crap. It's just that I had seen the green one in the metal on a number of accoasions at shows and it had raised my expectations to what I concede is an unrealistic level If I even got a 1600GT/S etc I would never used it as a daily driver and increase its' exposure to various idiots and clowns on the road who would run up my rear or worse. You can't just go down to your local friendly Toyota dealer and buy some new panels and bumpers, so it would be a weekend car.
But as you say, at least it is on the road and hopefully making people stop and stare and see what a REAL Toyota should look like, for a chamge. A Camry and Avalon free zone.
Let's just say that when the time comes for me to try acquiring one I will use the apple from the branch analogy and get one from Japan where the most have survived (2,200 approx made) and where they would appreciate them. And I would get a RT76 (1st gen Mark 2) GSS as it's garage mate
I had a quick look on trademe.co.nz - it seems that the cheap Jap imports have meant that not only does NZ have no car industry now but many older cars have been scrapped. Which is not good news for you for obvious reasons
I have just picked up a JDM brochure for the RT80/90 Coronas, which features the hardtops
One good thing I saw was the huge number (and low prices!) of the twin turbo Subaru Legacies (Liberties) that we in Oz never got. As far as the newer cars are concerned I am a huge Subaru fan, and I used to have a Liberty RS Turbo These things are more refined and more stealthy than the WRX, and it is a pain that it is very hard to acquire one in Oz unless you want one of the auto wagons that seem to make up 99% of all available vehicles. Unless the import laws change, I just can't go over there and pick one up and bring it back unless I live there for a year. Just have to wait till the local spec B4/GT manuals depreciate a lot more....!
I just get more confused with all the BMC vehicles. The Minis were sold as Austin Morris Innocenti in various market all over the place-British Badge Engineering is a labyrinth 
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Sat, 22 January 2005 22:46
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Nah, I didn't think you were saying the red car was crap. A mate has a concourse winning Cooper S. My van looks great in a carpark, but park it next to his S and it looks woeful. But that's the difference between a $6,000 paint job and a $1500 one.
I think when I find an RT11# series hardtop I would like to use it daily. I can't bring myself to buy something boring for the daily commute - it seems silly to register a car I don't want just for that. Maybe I'll start driving into the city, or I will try and find a garage for rent close to the station. Either way, the first thing I'll do is order some spare tail lights in case I get hit. The boot lid and rear bumper is the same as a RT104 sedan - according to my factory parts book.
Apparently old cars are disappearing fast in NZ. To the average person they don't make sense to keep running when import cars are so cheap. Even the tradition of getting an old car for for $1000 as a first car is disapearing. They just get a 10 year old import on finance instead.
A mate had a Legacy GT sedan here in Aus - sadly an Automatic. I'm not sure whether it was a private import or a low volume jobbie. Either way, it was a foreign market car that had been complied here later, so it was cheap. It was a lovely car! Quick, but it looked like a granny car, so it was a great sleeper. I'm surprised how many "Subaru fans" are hardly aware of the Liberty/Legacy turbo. They seem to think Subaru started making turbo cars with the WRX. I'd rather have the less-showy Liberty myself. Less likely to get stolen too!
BMC/Leyland or whatever they were called any given week were very good at badge engineering cars. In Australia they sensibly only applied one badge to each body (mostly). eg: All our early Minis were badged Morris, while all our 1800 series were badged Austin. Heck, in the UK you could even briefly buy a Morris Minor ute with an Austin badge and grille!
RT8#, RT9# brochure sounds like a good pickup!
I'm hoping to have a brochure on the RT10#, RT11# series within a week. It originated from PNG, is in both Japanese and English and features the hardtop model. No EFI or GT versions unfortunately.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Sun, 23 January 2005 12:11
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Let's just say that this one was a $1,500 paint job, and $100 worth of filler!
If I had one of these I wold drive it more often if Sydney traffic wasn't so congested and drivers weren't so aggressive and undesirables out to scratch or nick the car didn't exist. I don't ask a lot do I?
Whilst I like a lot of the imported later model Jap turbo cars, in a ideal world it shouldn't be at the expense of the older but colectable models. Having said that, my idea of hell is every second car on the road being a Silvia/180SX. Hate those things-one car I am glad they never sold here new.
Yes WRX's are a problem theft and image wise, which is why I never got the last of the older shape ones - they are in my price range now which is why I always hankered after the understated looks of the Liberty/Legacy. I did check out a imported Legacy TT that was both manual and a sedan (!) but it was imported in a bit of a dodgy way and it seems that it cannot be registered in NSW.
Speaking of 1800's I spotted a Wolsley version at Southgate shopping centre carpark a few years ago. I think they had a six cylinder motor so they would have went a bit better than the one we got here. They looked nicer in my opinion too. I forgot to mention the Riley versions of the Mini! And they had a Vanden Plas badged 1100 or 1300. When does it end? I suppose Toyota is a bit guilty of this - after all there is not a huge difference between a Levin and a Sprinter Trueno etc.
Did you get that brochure from eBay? That is where I got mine from. Paid a *bit" more than I would have liked but you don't see those things everyday. I have asked the Japanese seller of my brochure if he has any ideas where I could get my hands on a GT and/or GSS brochure. He may have no idea but it doesn't hurt to ask
Here is a link to the one I got.
[url=http://tuka8685.hp.infoseek.co.jp/197172corona/197 172corona.html]
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Wed, 26 January 2005 11:33
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Hi there, here are some pics from the 2005 Motorfest, held today.
That very tidy 1600S again, but the minilites have gone missing. There is however now a black cover 20 valve instead of a silvertop powering the beast.
A Sprinter Trueno, first one I have ever seen in the metal. 
Sadly for you and me, there were no other rare and unusual Toyotas of interest this year
But this might be of interest 
There was also a fastback mini, with a "Monaco" badge on the back. I always thought they were Broadspeeds.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Wed, 26 January 2005 12:07
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That Trueno is very nice - I think it's the one I saw in Japanese Restorer Magazine? A recent private import.
Some nice photos there. I agree, the 1600S DEFINITELY looks better with the minilights fitted. I parked next to the red traveller at the Mini Nationals a couple of years ago. Very nice car.
Yep, I did buy my RT10#, RT11# brochure on eBay. The auction just finished tonight.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;item=4521134239
Being the facelift model, the hardtop will probably have that lousy grille. But I can live with that.
There is also an RT8#, RT9# brochure in the US currently on offer I might bid on. Being a US market one, it's probably not as nice as the one you just bought. I'd prefer JDM spec.
There were a few different fastback versions of the Mini - Buckle Monaco, Ecurie De Des as well as a few Broadspeeds made locally. Rumour has it they made six Ecurie De Des, and I know where four of them are now!
Wolseley version of the 1800 was available as four cylinder (1800cc) or six cylinder (2200cc). In other markets, the six was available on the Morris and Austin versions, but we never got them here. Never seen a Wolseley version in Oz.
BMC were very good at badge engineering:
Mini - Austin Mini, Morris Mini, Wolseley Hornet, Riley Elf, Innocenti (italy), Authi (spain) plus a prototype with MG grille and a few odd Sth African variations.
1100/1300 series - Austin, Morris, Wolseley, Riley, Vanden Plas and MG versions.
1800/2200 series - Austin, Morris, Wolselely and Riley versions.
Toyota is similarly guilty. I was shocked the first time I saw a 1988 Corona Coupe (import) - it was simply a Celica with a different front end!! And what about the MX8# series - Cressida, Cresta, Mark II they all look basically the same.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Thu, 03 February 2005 15:23
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Just out of interest, what would it roughly cost to bring the beast to Oz?
Damn it is so frustrating how Toyota has made millions of cars yet all the interesting ones we like are nigh imposible to come by.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Thu, 03 February 2005 23:25
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$2,500 for car (approx AU dollars - maybe $2200 with haggling)
$2,500 for pickup in LA, packing and shipping in a container.
$1,000 - $1,500 for duties, taxes, DOTARS and customs charges at Australia end.
$800-$1,000 for an engineer's certificate to register it in Vic (LHD).
$500 for registration.
So all up say $7,500-8,500 landed and on the road. Seems pricey!! How do they do it with the cheapie 80's imports from Japan? Shipping form Japan is around $500 cheaper, but the other figures are not that variable.
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Mon, 07 February 2005 01:57
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Moved this conversation to here from RT72 thread, cos we were getting off the RT72 topic.
Link to green RT114 GT I found in Japan, as referred to in the RT72 thread:
http://www.vrp.co.jp/car/cark170.html
I think the green one in the US may be an SR5, just with the wrong (sedan) grille. Otherwise someone has fitted a 5 speed to a Deluxe hardtop, as only the SR-5 was sold with one in HT form in the US.
Never heard of "Car Watchers Guide" before. I will try and find a copy for myself.
You got me curious what you are bidding on that's so interesting. I guess I will find out when you win.
I use auctionsniper.com to bid on items if they are getting a lot of hits and I know I'm not going to be around. Sniper places a bid for you at the time you specify (eg: 10 secs before aution end). So no hassles with slow/tempremental servers or staying up late to finish an auction. You get six (?) free snipes to begin with, and more if you recommend another person to join.
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Mon, 07 February 2005 02:07
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BTW my ex-PNG 1977 sales brochure arrived today. All cars in the brochure are LHD, so it may a generic Asian Market one. Prices in Keena (PNG currency) on the back. Nice shots of hardtop with "series two" front. Divided grille does not look too bad in these shots, but is subtely different to JDM GT one.
Good luck with the job interview!!
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Good idea - sometimes I get a bit enthusiastic
The link for the GT must have been down, or my brain is turning into goldfish material. Very very nice - I love that bottle green that Toyota used to use in their GT versions back then. From the "Ask" it looks like the price is/was POA. Wonder how much it was? I say if it was 10k AUD sell the Minis, sell the dog etc etc and grab it
I went to the home page of the site but could not navigate back to the Corona, but amongst other tasty stuff like 1970 Skylines etc I found this...
I want I want - just spray it in that dark green.
The Car Watchers Guide should turn up in eBay from time to time. I will scan a cover for you.
With Auction Sniper can you set it up so that no matter what someone's highest bid is, it will go one step higher or does it work on a predetermined limit set by you?
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Mon, 07 February 2005 09:56
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Another RT7# GSS? Nice find!!
Yeah, somehow the bottle green just *works* on that RT114 GT. I never asked what the price for it was.
Auctionsniper works like a regular "proxy" bid, its just that it is placed at the time YOU specify. Say if an item is sitting at $7.00 with a few bids, you can place a bid up to whatever your max limit is at five seconds before the auction closes, say $50. You then beat the other bidders proxy bid (of say $10.50) and they don't have time to come back and outbid you. Plus you don't push the price up too quickly by bidding earlier. Nothing to stop you setting a really high sniper to make sure you get the item. Just don't go too silly, I've seen Mini parts go for STUPIDLY high prices on a sniper. eg: Over $600 for a rare "Sports 850" badge last week!!
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September 2003
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Wed, 09 February 2005 22:31
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Hi,
More details please!
RT123? Do you mean RT112? (That's what the interior looks like.) What engine? GL or SL model? What year?
Where did you find this car? Online auction site?
Does that price include duties, unpacking charges at wharf etc?
PM me if you don't want to give out info in an open forum.
Thanks.
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Wed, 09 February 2005 23:15
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I love reading abbout/seeing some of these old "individual" special toyotas. The bug is getting to me, much like some of the old crown stuff that is popping up
Dunno if I could ever afford one, but you never know .....
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Thu, 10 February 2005 05:34
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It's most probably a GL, as an SL or SR would have extra dials and the radio would be further down in the dash. No matter though if the car is basically sound and doesn't cost too much landed.
A sympathetic replica of a GT can still be built
Notice the two large toggles on the RHS of the dash? I asume they are for the fender mounted mirrors.
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Thu, 10 February 2005 12:27
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Looks basically like what I'm after. I could add 18RG and five speed (or maybe even 3TGEU!) later.
Yeah, those toggles probably are the mirror joysticks. I thought they were probably some wacky added on switches for now missing extra lights.
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Fri, 11 February 2005 01:18
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PM's flying back and forth regarding white car posted by 1200det
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Fri, 11 February 2005 06:00
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Decided to do the sensible thing and try and find an RT11# in Oz first.
So I'm still looking....
Hey, hanging rock is on this weekend, who knows what may turn up!
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Fri, 11 February 2005 13:36
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Car sold for 72,500 YEN so would have been around the $4,500 mark landed and cleared
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Fri, 11 February 2005 21:00
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I originally had in mind a figure of up to 70,000 Yen, so I would have missed out anyway.
With a few other bits and bobs included it would have been more like $5300-5500 unloaded at my door anyway. Too pricey for what is effectively a project car. I'm sure there is one hiding in Oz somewhere just waiting to be found!
Cheers.
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Mon, 28 February 2005 12:53
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Links updated - stupid me posted the same car twice...
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Wed, 02 March 2005 01:49
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At around $9,000 landed for the GL (cheapest one), just a bit too pricey for me.
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Wed, 02 March 2005 02:01
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Sweet,
I used to love my RT104, 18RG it was an excellent car, good luck with your finding one. What are your plans for it ?
Regards,
Scott Dood
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I'm wanting it to be a tidy long distance cruiser, not a track car or show winner. Basically a replica GT, but with a few personal touches. No body mods, nice paint in a period solid colour - maybe bright red. A set of period mags, maybe Enkei 14" gold spokes or widened Chromed factory RT104 SE 12 slotters. 18RG or maybe a 3TGEU under the bonnet with a five speed. Air Con and a tidy interior, maybe retrimmed in cloth. Remote locking and alarm. That's about it.
I just need a hardtop shell with doors, glass and tail lights! An RT104 donor would provide most of the missing bits. Front panels, bootlid, rear bumper etc all interchange.
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Wed, 02 March 2005 05:29
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Sounds excellent,
Both wheel options sound good, personally i would go for the chromed widened originals.
What path did you follow to have a desire for one of these ?
Obviously they are rare, and they look great, but how did you get on to it ? Just curious.
After my RT104 i had a TA22 Celica, obviously very different cars but also quite similar.
Scott Dood
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My grandmother's next door neighbour had one when I was eight. They had emigrated from South Africa and brought the car with them as a personal import. That car disappeared in the late 80's.
I can't really explain my attraction to them, I just loved the styling and it stuck in my head. Also they are something different that you don't see every day.
I like RT7# Mark II and RT5# Corona hardtops, but these are the better looking in my opinion.
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Wed, 02 March 2005 05:49
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Thanks for the feed back, i find it interesting how we become fascinated by certain things.
Hope you can find a good one soon !
Scott Dood
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Just got a possible lead, see the MX22,RT51 thread!!
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Fri, 18 March 2005 21:29
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Unfortunately the car that turned up has been highly modified and is a bit pricey IMHO. Not quite what I'm looking for. I'm still considering buying it and returning it to GT spec, but I'd prefer something closer to original.
So, still looking at this stage....
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And another month flies by - BUMP!
Still looking...
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Wed, 04 May 2005 04:05
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Hmmm - looks pretty straight
If you can get it landed for around up to $5,000, I say yes
Funny how all the surviving Corona hardtops in Japan seem to be white GLs....
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Location:
Melbourne, Victoria, Aust...
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: WANTED: Corona Hardtop RT112, RT114 or RT115
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Tue, 24 May 2005 11:50
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Car above went too high on Yahoo, so BUMP again!
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