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Re: supra handling...
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Sat, 15 January 2005 08:26
 
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anyone?
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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Sat, 15 January 2005 08:36
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well, at a guess the 400+kgs of difference would make the ma61 a lot more nimble  "similar" suspension is difficult to work out... the ma70, to get similar handling, would need difference suspoension to offset it's greater weight (higher rate springs, etc)
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Sun, 16 January 2005 06:15
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I have an MA61 with a crappy 5ME (don't laugh) and my mate has an MA70 with a 7MGE... both 5 spd and when we drag them i always beat him.. unless he gets rolling he can never beat me.. i think its the weight factor.. even tho my engine is shit... The Ma61 is a very nice car, and yes they can be quite nimble. My mates MA61 with a 6MGE is very quick and likes doing burnouts!!
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I supported Toymods
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Sun, 16 January 2005 07:37
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the ma70 should still spank the frilly pink panties off a stock ma61 - the 5m-e really is fairly gutless, and the 7m-ge has bags of torque and decent power (for a >10 year old design anyhow)
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Re: supra handling...
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Sun, 16 January 2005 08:21
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Ma70 has better suspension geometry including, take a look at the front end for example.
The downside is the sheer weight of the beast which is what negatively effects them in the handling stakes.
Ma70 minus weight would be better than a 61 in my books.
Just try to find the weight to minimise now!
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I Supported Toymods
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melbourne.vic.au
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Re: supra handling...
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Sun, 16 January 2005 08:34
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| BlackSupra wrote on Sun, 16 January 2005 19:21 |
...Just try to find the weight to minimise now!
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Wouldn't the use of a drill do it? 
Anyway, I rode in Allan's MA71 and that is soo different then my MA61 (in weight) but at the time 2 years ago he had buggered suspension but the 7M-GTE is fun when it is flogged...
Cheers.
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Sun, 16 January 2005 12:49
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thanks for the replies gents- its helpful.
my car common sense had led me to these things, so it was good to hear them confirmed
cheers
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On Probation
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Sun, 16 January 2005 22:11
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maybe he is just a really shitty driver cause i swear he can never beat me, and i do know the 5ME is fucking shit but still it better than walking... anyway it will get the 1JZ treatment soon enough!
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Melbourne
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March 2003
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Sun, 16 January 2005 22:54
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just what is it that contributes to the mk3's weight so badly. The car isn't that big yet it weighs bloody heaps. did they make teh whole car out of cast iron or something?
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Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Sun, 16 January 2005 23:56
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| Intensevil wrote on Mon, 17 January 2005 09:54 |
just what is it that contributes to the mk3's weight so badly. The car isn't that big yet it weighs bloody heaps. did they make teh whole car out of cast iron or something?
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If you have ever worked on one you would know. There is about 7 layers of steel in the A-Pillars alone.
The A70 has a better suspension design with double wishbone front and rear. You can run wider tyres on the A70 to give you better traction though the corners but it is let down by the weight.
I don't think it really matters too much in the real world, just like dyno figures.
The best handling Supra is the A80.
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Mon, 17 January 2005 00:15
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| wastegate wrote on Mon, 17 January 2005 10:26 |
| Intensevil wrote on Mon, 17 January 2005 09:54 |
just what is it that contributes to the mk3's weight so badly. The car isn't that big yet it weighs bloody heaps. did they make teh whole car out of cast iron or something?
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If you have ever worked on one you would know. There is about 7 layers of steel in the A-Pillars alone.
The A70 has a better suspension design with double wishbone front and rear. You can run wider tyres on the A70 to give you better traction though the corners but it is let down by the weight.
I don't think it really matters too much in the real world, just like dyno figures.
The best handling Supra is the A80.
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Spot on about tha A-pillars - the ma70/71 is really built like a brick shithouse. Reinforcing/bracing steel bars here, there and everywhere. Soft (especially by now) springs in the rear of the ma70 make it a bit floaty, but with decent springs/shock combo and new bushes the ma70's go OK. Plus being double wishbone they have a fair degree of adjustability. Getting fronts and rears aligned at the same time makes a difference too. A lower than stock front helps it point into the corners easier in my experience.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Mon, 17 January 2005 14:00
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I agree with what's been said so far; the MA70 has stacks of grip thanks to its well-sorted suspension, and will hang on much better than your average MA61, especially in the high-speed stuff. It is surprisingly nimble for a car of its size and weight, but having driven several examples of both cars I'd choose the MA61 any day for tight and twisty stuff - it is much more "chuckable" and also more forgiving when you find its limits. The MA70's limits are pretty high but woe betide the man who finds them at an inopportune moment...
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Ballarat, Victoria
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Wed, 19 January 2005 15:59
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cool, thanks guys. interesting read.
do i see suspension time on my watch?! i think i nearly do... 
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