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Location: brisbane
Registered: July 2003
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New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 00:39
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hey guys im in the stage of my 7mgte (ma61) conversion where im starting to think about gettin a boost controller just want to know wat sort yous have, are u happy with it, was it good for the price and just simply wat yous think are good ones. thanks.
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Location: Vancouver BC, Canada.
Registered: November 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 01:43
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If you are looking for cheap and fairly effective then a Manual Boost controller would probably be best. Best $30 I have ever spent. However they are not perfect, IE. they are prone to spiking, and they are a pain in the ass to adjust. However, if you have the cash to spend then get an electronic one. And I can't give you any advice on which, because I have never worried about it myself.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: July 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 02:01
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yea i would most probly be looking at an electric one. thanks
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I Supported Toymods
Location: Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
Registered: August 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 02:10
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i gots myself one of those GFB Atomic ones. Doesn't spike as much as I can see. But boost does creep down as the revs get higher. Can't remember how much it cost me though.
Yian
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Location: newcastle nsw
Registered: May 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 03:22
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hyper boost, email celicamad
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Location: Melb, Victoria
Registered: April 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 07:55
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i just got a dual stage turbosmart mbc and it cant' hold the boost in the high revs. it drops off a few psi.. dunno if its how i set it up or its my car, but i'm not that impressed with it..
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 09:49
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I think my turbosmart boost T is leaking, it is much laggier than when I run no boost controller.
Go the hiperboost
http://www.hiperboost.com/
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Location: Wollongong
Registered: November 2004
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Sun, 23 January 2005 10:13
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Maybe you guys who are finding boost drop off, it might not be because of the controller, but you are running too high of a boost the turbos can provide? Idea?
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Location: Lismore, NSW
Registered: February 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 11:18
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Im using a turbosmart single stage boost controller and have had no problems with, it holds boost to my determined setting with out dropping off. I got no complaints But I have heard that celicamad boost controllers are sik.
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Sun, 23 January 2005 21:10
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If you want a proper ELECTRONIC boost controller that works, its FULLY programmable and variable throughout your entire RPM range, does everything else that the aforementioned boost controller does whilst being 100% variable and programmable....... then you want a Witzl Boost.
http://www.witzl.com/boost
Im Using one right now on PMP-80Y, and i have excellent control over my boost level and more importantly - i have complete control over the way boost is initially built. You can make your turbos spin up as FAST AS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE and still have and very smooth boost curve with little to no boost spiking.
Of more interest is to those who have problems with your boost dropping off. Since this boost controller is completely programmable, you can flatten out your boost curve by directly controlling what boost pressure your wastegate actuator sees at any of 64 different load points.
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Location: opening a can of whoop ass
Registered: June 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 22:26
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get a norgen valve from a agricultural store, i know of several people using them on 10 sec 500plus horse power cars and they never have problems. and they only cost $65
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Location: Terrigal
Registered: May 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sun, 23 January 2005 22:31
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Hey Witzl great to hear you are building these up!! As soon as funds permit i'll be grabbing one from you.
Cheers
Joel
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 03:32
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no worries Joel. Of course discounts apply for card holding Toymods financial members
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Location: I wanna go Hawaiiiiii.......
Registered: November 2003
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:06
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My electronic boost controller was only about $40 and is brilliant. Of course, I had to fork-out over a grand for the Haltech E6X to run it.
But seriously, if you have any future plans for aftermarket management - get this first. Then getting an integrated boost controller is cheap & easy!
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:32
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i agree - aftermarket engine management systems which have boost controler outputs are the best way to go if you are heading for aftermarket computers.
Witzl Boost controls the same solenoids as your haltech does, in the same manner, with the same end result. Heck if you already have the solenoid, the price then drops to only $250!
I will admit though, that being a relatively cheap stand alone boost controller it doesnt function in a closed loop manner, meaning that it doesnt know what boost you are making and thus cannot compensate for changes in atmospheric pressure nor temperatures etc. A good (read: typically above $800) E.B.C. can do these functions, but i dont have $800 for just a boost controller... thats almost Microtech money!!
Happy boosting everyone, no matter what path you choose
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Location: Terrigal
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:33
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I can setup the Autronic to contol boost.. But I really want something switchable and Autronic would need to plug the laptop in and change the maps.. Not just a flick of the switch so to speak.
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:41
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Haltech also has an optional ($20) rocket switch for switching between two pre-set boost maps.
But if I didn't have programmable management, I'd be getting very excited about Witzl's unit.
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Club President I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 06:12
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The Autronic will control boost really well using the right solenoid.
The Autronic SMC is limited to having two boost settings, with the solenoid off it will drop to actuator pressure whilst with the solenoid turned on it will be as per the defined boost level in the program.
The Autronic SM2 on the other hand is allot more flexable and has the ability to run 3 different boost tables and and even different boost levels in diffferent gears. (They also do traction control and Anti lag !! )
Special Ed,
I notice you have only compared the Hyperboost to the entry level electronic boost controllers. Perhaps you should evaluate it against the better end of the market (Ie the ones that are dyno proven to work and be nice and stable). The Blitz SBC "Spec R" and Up use an awesomely stable boost solenoid as does the Apexi AVCR Blue screen.
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Location: Terrigal
Registered: May 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 06:23
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Ooooo that sounds good! So I can run my factory wastegate pressure of 10psi or so.. Then run a higher boost setting.. With the SMC how is it switchable though? Just by cutting power to the solenoid?
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Location: I wanna go Hawaiiiiii.......
Registered: November 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 07:21
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Hiperboost was tested against those units back in the day when they were the bees knees ( so to speak ). It seemed fair to compare them when they cost about the same (second hand) as the the hiperboost unit. I have no doubt that the very latest and $$$ electronic units may outperform the Hiperboost (probably marginal in actual boost control and adjustment), however they are not seriously comparable in terms of cost being mostly double the cost of the Hiperboost.
There are many stats and comparisons at http://www.Hiperboost.com if people would like to see the data that is available.
Any other Hiperboost (or celicamad) owners care to add their experience ?
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Club President I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Location: brisbane
Registered: July 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 09:35
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Thanks heaps guys still got a fair bit of time to decide but ill be checkin out all options.
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Location: newcastle
Registered: June 2002
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Location: Perth W.A.
Registered: April 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 13:03
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Dont forget about Boost cut on the 7M-GTE!!!
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Location: Gold Coast
Registered: June 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Mon, 24 January 2005 13:32
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I'm using an apexi avcr, I am VERY happy with the way this works. The only draw back being it can be a little complicated to get to work in the begging and $$, but once you come to terms with its functionality and price it will give you awsome results.
Initial boost build up can be controlled very accurately and desired boost held at a very stable pressure.
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Toymods Vice President
Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 24 January 2005 14:07
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Matt you have been asked not to advertise in your signature. I still have the PM.
I'd ask you to tidy up your sig so it doesn't waste so much space.
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Toymods Vice President
Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Location: brisbane
Registered: July 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Tue, 25 January 2005 03:22
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Anyone have any views on the electronic blitz ones.
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Tue, 25 January 2005 06:21
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I know that their uber doober one is AWESOME, but i dont know what model that is.
Rod knows.
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Location: Madrid - Spain
Registered: August 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Thu, 27 January 2005 03:30
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TurboRA28 wrote on Mon, 24 January 2005 17:23 | Ooooo that sounds good! So I can run my factory wastegate pressure of 10psi or so.. Then run a higher boost setting.. With the SMC how is it switchable though? Just by cutting power to the solenoid?
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Joel, you could actually set it up to run through a solenoid with your autronic running one setting and any other type of boost controller for the other.
OR you could make up a simple electronic circuit to run as many settings as you want. I have seen this type of thing hooked up to an automatic transmission so that a different setting was used on each gear depending on how much wheel spin they were getting. Ie say 9psi in 1st gear, 14 in second and 20 in third.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Location: I wanna go Hawaiiiiii.......
Registered: November 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Thu, 27 January 2005 12:35
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10 buck bleeder gives $10 worth of boost control. Great value. Completely useless.
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Location: opening a can of whoop ass
Registered: June 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Fri, 28 January 2005 00:10
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Special Ed wrote on Thu, 27 January 2005 23:35 | 10 buck bleeder gives $10 worth of boost control. Great value. Completely useless.
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so on that theory the boost controller you sell would give $380 worth of boost control and eboost would give rrp $780 worth of boost control?
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Location: Madrid - Spain
Registered: August 2002
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Fri, 28 January 2005 00:20
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No offence to you special ed, but you walked straight into that oneQuote: | so on that theory the boost controller you sell would give $380 worth of boost control and eboost would give rrp $780 worth of boost control?
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Location: I wanna go Hawaiiiiii.......
Registered: November 2003
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Fri, 28 January 2005 00:38
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$1.50 boost control
or in this case free as the washer T peice was from my car and there was a spare in the tool box.
Of course this will not build boost quite as fast as a hiperboost, witzl boost or a topend ebc. But hey it was free
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Location: c'town, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 28 January 2005 00:51
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monkeymajik wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 11:38 | $1.50 boost control
or in this case free as the washer T peice was from my car and there was a spare in the tool box.
Of course this will not build boost quite as fast as a hiperboost, witzl boost or a topend ebc. But hey it was free
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hook that back up to your washer bottle, add coffee and u have your own cuppachino machine
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Location: sunny coast, qld
Registered: October 2002
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Fri, 28 January 2005 01:00
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are you bleeding off all the air?
what boost does it run?
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Location: opening a can of whoop ass
Registered: June 2004
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Fri, 28 January 2005 01:45
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Special Ed wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 11:35 | Not at all,
e-boost is a great unit. and actualy it gives more like $381 worth of boost control. $50 worth of additional programmable outputs. and about $350 worth of bling value ( which is Uber important to some).
I hope you guys are getting your eboost fitted for that kind of cash !!
Hiperboost is a mere semi assembled kit for that price, and doesnt include fitment. However if you are nice ( and local) we can most often fit it for you.
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i was emailing a guy on the cenral coast the other day, his cost $650 fitting and tuned. only people silly enough to purchase of fullboost or autospeed would pay that $780.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Fri, 28 January 2005 01:48
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rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 10:51 |
hook that back up to your washer bottle, add coffee and u have your own cuppachino machine
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I've always said you were an ideas man rob_RA40
Chris Davey wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 11:00 |
are you bleeding off all the air?
what boost does it run?
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It doesn't bleed off all the air, it works just like a standard bleed valve. You want more boost? add more washer T's or perform a washer T UPGRADE(tm) to a larger model.
The combination of a standard sprinter washer T and a slightly larger washer T that was lying around produced 1.1bar.
Please note: performing this mod may cause your windscreen washer to spontaneously stop working.
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Club President I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 28 January 2005 08:09
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Paul,
We sent you the pricing structure and you are welcome to become a paying forum sponsor. Josh looks after this area of things so just drop him an email if you want to revist the option.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Fri, 28 January 2005 22:06
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rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 11:51 |
monkeymajik wrote on Fri, 28 January 2005 11:38 | $1.50 boost control
or in this case free as the washer T peice was from my car and there was a spare in the tool box.
Of course this will not build boost quite as fast as a hiperboost, witzl boost or a topend ebc. But hey it was free
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hook that back up to your washer bottle, add coffee and u have your own cuppachino machine
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But man the hiperboost allso does espresso!!
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Location: opening a can of whoop ass
Registered: June 2004
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Re: New Boost Controller
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Sat, 29 January 2005 06:20
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ALLAN
thats some funny shit
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