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big port or small port (dillemma)
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Wed, 02 February 2005 08:02
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i've searched the forums and looked up club 4ag but cant decide =\
im soon gonna upgrade the 4ac and burn it. but i dont know which engine is best big port or smallport?
i want something to be able to drift, be reliable and i'll be pushing about 100kw to the wheels
which should i choose
i know that the red top roughly puts out 80+ kw to the wheels
and the blue top i have no idea,
help? 
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October 2003
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 13:18
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| poh_86 wrote on Wed, 02 February 2005 19:02 |
i've searched the forums and looked up club 4ag but cant decide =\
im soon gonna upgrade the 4ac and burn it. but i dont know which engine is best big port or smallport?
i want something to be able to drift, be reliable and i'll be pushing about 100kw to the wheels
which should i choose
i know that the red top roughly puts out 80+ kw to the wheels
and the blue top i have no idea,
help?
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I've seen 4ages in ae82s and sprinters which have been lucky to push 60-65kw... some 4agzes were barely able to pass 80kw....
These were the 86kw versions, but yeah i find that the 86kw engine was always more fun, i believe the bigport was the 86kw version and smallport was the 100kw from the ae93 corolla sx...
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Adelaide
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January 2004
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 13:24
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i rekon smallport goes harder in the top end, in stock form.
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 21:05
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im gonna ask a uber noob question please dont bash me
but what engine do you recommend for drift?
or is it a personal preference?
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January 2004
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 21:40
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both motors provide minimal power, so its not gonna be easy to drift with either. Either one really, not much difference.
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August 2002
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 23:21
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4A-GE's are great motors which will take a thrashing day in day out and wont die... aslong as it is filled with its important life fluid... oil!!! 
As for Big port vs Small Port
Remember that Big Port motors delivered to Australia were released in the AE82. They had 86kw and 88kw @ the motor.... not at the wheels... roughly putting out 60ish kw at the wheels
The Big Port was also released in Japan in the AE86, and a model of celica (too early to try to remember). This version of the first 4A-GE had more power than the aus delivered items, producing 130hp (~97kw) These motors are alot harder to find, but are already in the RWD format.
As for the Small Port, 100kw @ motor, oil squirters in the block, 7 rib block = stronger. This motor is going to respond best to modifcations up to 200hp... where as > 200hp the big port is preferred.
If you would like to do some reseach yourself, http://www.billzilla.org/ is a great starting point. Bill Sherwood is one smart guy, and you will find alot of useful information browsing his site. You will also find alot of relevant information on http://www.club4ag.com
Both motors dont have alot of grunt, and you will have to give them a thrashing to achieve what you are after. Saying that, 4A-GE's sound horny as and i wish you luck in your upgrading down the track 
Regards
Drew
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 01:31
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if your going to get 100kw @ wheels that will cost you a lot, especially if you want it NA, why not try force induction for that power, perhaps 4agze with a turbo ? or a ca18det.
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May 2003
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 02:06
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not another ca 86.... 
i now know of no less than 10! in the works...
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 03:17
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i think i'll get bashed for this but what about the 20v? what output do they have at the flywheel or wheels?
my smallport i'm guessing will be on the way out soon considering the oil that it uses and was thinking of a 20v over a GZE.
but back on topic i've been very impressed with the power from the smallport. it gets a good hiding every week down OPH and usually sits happily between 4500 and 6000 the whole way 
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 04:17
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well from what i researched, 20 valve they beat out your firewall and other stuff, and i also heard aftermarket mods are hard to get or something a rather
and gze speaks for itself. induction with forged pistons would love to have one of those but that will literally break my budget and also break my balls 
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 08:14
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yeh that isnt my thing either, plus ca's are poo boxe's as stockers
i vs'd my mate in his s13 turbo and i had an auto golf xD kicked the shit out of him till we hit abt 3rd.
maybe cos golf has short gear ratio's
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June 2004
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 08:25
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i wouldn't say that a 16 4age is completly useless for drift... it suited simon for a long time... but it does have its limit...
i think its fine for anyone wanting to get the basics down for drift and become semi-pro at it... once u believe u've reached ur limits with the engine im sure u'll have enough money and enough tech know how to install something with a big more grunt (20v-4agze-anything really)
i personally like small ports better...
shiri
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January 2004
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 08:30
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id go bigport, cos it has so manny applications... and cheap
otherwise go small, if u got the money might as well go 20v or 4agze
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July 2002
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 09:06
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my ca is stock, and it would shit on most cars out there 
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 09:11
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well said mate, a 4age and a set up hachi will serve you well and be fun to slide along with teaching you just how hard you have to push yourself and the car to really drift. therefore lies the challange and the fun behind these motors.
however i reached that popint where to compete with the bigboys oin the track i simply needed more power!
simon| ShiRi wrote on Fri, 04 February 2005 18:55 |
i wouldn't say that a 16 4age is completly useless for drift... it suited simon for a long time... but it does have its limit...
i think its fine for anyone wanting to get the basics down for drift and become semi-pro at it... once u believe u've reached ur limits with the engine im sure u'll have enough money and enough tech know how to install something with a big more grunt (20v-4agze-anything really)
i personally like small ports better...
shiri
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 10:24
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hey simon, just watched some of your action on a HPimports dvd i got given, some nice driving there son 
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 13:04
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simon that was so true, compared to the 180's they got their turbo's to power it out where as the hachi's need far more high end rpm to initiate drift.
i would go small port but the money is a crucial factor to it all.. and also i will consider upgrading to a 3s-gte or a 4agze
but enough of the dreaming =P
but a 4ag is stepping stone to learning something bigger.. dont want a full rev'd up car and end up around a pole =\
and shiri, your doing your conversion too yeh?
whats your plans?
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 13:06
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small port. ive had both in ae86s. small port compared to big port is day and night. the small port is SOOO much better.
if you listen to some people, the big port is a better candidate for a serious build (over 100hp per litre), but hardly anyone goes there so its no relavent.
just realised its you man... heh sorry. get a small port.
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 16:45
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it sits in the engine bay right now, got it home last night from the workshop where i installed it. sort everything else out this week.
computer arrived a few days ago. still 1 or 2 parts to source, should be ready to wire in a week but we may be waiting on headers. but 2 weeks or maybe a little less is the goal.
getting excited, another 20kw, plus all the cool shit, programable, quads, vvt
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Sat, 05 February 2005 00:08
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where did u say u lived again??
far out man thats gonna be one hektic ride
and the sounds of the quads 000ft
so how much do u reckon it cost for that mod??
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cambo
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Re: big port or small port (dillemma)
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Sat, 05 February 2005 00:27
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whast about a small port with big port cams (more lift ?)
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