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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 11:20
 
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| CRAB-86 wrote on Sat, 12 February 2005 22:04 |
You also might want to have a closer look at your rule book champ. To the best of my knowledge CAMS is now getting behind drift
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Like I said, I could not find any occurence of drifting in my latest CAMS rule book. Let it be so.
Drifting does not fit my previous or current form of motorsport.
My motive for posting a reply in this thread is not to document my previous motorsport activities but merely to ascertain some informative comment on the sport of drifting and why it is comparable to other more traditional motorsport.
I do not think that drag racing is a particularly skilled form of motorsport, others may disagree. BUT, it is established, and I am simply inquisitive to the future of the motorsport other than a hobby-like past-time taken up by those who have no explanation for it.
Personally, I believe that the followers of this "sport" are the let down, and will be the ultimate demise of its permanancy.
Comments please
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 11:34
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Wow, What A thread. I was going to leave it alone until Kenneth here dropped in.
Simnply put, yours is the inevitible plight. Its taking the side of tradionalism vs new-gen. Choosing to live life in a box and block everything out and say 'this is right because i have 10 years experience in blah blah blah'.
As an extreme example.. do you know what happens to nations if they keep everything internal?, refuse to import anything new or listen to the outside world? They go the way of the dodo. India is still manufacturing the same car TODAY! as it did in the 1930's (or somewhere from that era). Because it simply refused to open its doors to anything new. (read. import cars to stir up the local industry)
Lets all just put our hands over our ears and go 'na na na na'. This is what your doing Ken and I just thought I needed to post this to warn you.. perhaps take a holiday to japan attend a D1 comp and stand there and yell your opinion at the top of your lungs.. but then you'll realise something... you will be a minority. But then I already knew that, however you need to open your eyes here.
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Re: AE-86 Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 11:46
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It was a late Saturday night. I'd done my chores and decided to relax with some needlework before crawling into bed. Looking over my tapes, I decided it was time to visit West Side Story again, after some years. It was a fine choice. I would catch myself with my hands idle, as my eyes tracked the dancing, the most dynamic part of the film. I reveled in the Sharks on the rooftop and the gymnasium dance. "Cool" was cool, as always. This is a musical that doesn't try to transcend itself. It just lets the music and dancing speak for itself (and offkey singing along is allowed at home). I've always felt that Richard Beymer was the weakest of the actors, and nothing has changed my mind. But he's easy to ignore in comparison to the outstanding performances of George Chakiris, Rita Morena (who dominates the screen and steals all her scenes), Russ Tamblyn and the rest of the supporting cast. I'll leave the experts to make the minute comparisons to Romeo and Juliet, and to the critics to point out all the flaws. I'll just say, let yourself drift back to the 50s, break out the popcorn and enjoy.
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 11:51
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Question: Who owns the race tracks that the 'drifers' rent?
Anyway, I am always open to new forms of motorsport, as previously documented. I have raced at an international level and have been active and involved in many different forms of motorsport to say the least. I do not dismiss the plight of drifting, however feel a sceptic in terms of its professional uptake in Australia.
Please justify to me why it may be 'the way to go' in the future.
Tracks are owned and run by traditional motorsporting bodies. Drifters and drifting bodies use the tracks already run by the traditional motorsporting bodies.
Can you give me some quantitative figures on how many people attended the last drifting event you attended? Additionally, can you tell me how the competition winner was derived?
The outcome of drifting events come down to the opinion of judges. Similar to diving competitions, surfing and synchronised swimming..... the same sorts of sports coming under criticism for not being 'real' sports.
This is simply all I am saying.
100mtrs in running, marathons or triathalons, distance races in swimming........ they all follow the same principles in terms of winning or losing (an event is decided on 1st 2nd 3rd place etc.)
Do you go to a badminton match to watch a stylist or someone who will win? Much the same as table tennis. Much like the scenario where Michael Schumacher would find it gratifying to come last but nevertheless be glad because he 'got it real sideways'.
Waiting with baited breath
Kenneth.
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Sat, 12 February 2005 11:55
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all i can say is sports such as Pro Skate and Pro Surf in the states is worth an extreme amount of money, nor does it show any signs of dying in the future either with its effects on culture
spread all the way around the world. People in norway know who Tony Hawk is and what he does.
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Sat, 12 February 2005 12:15
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Who owns the tracks.. Well from a Sydney basis we use Oran park's gokart circuit now reffered to as 'driftland' (the organisers are marketing it as that  )
The way to go? Not at all. Its not a battle between young and old here.. my point was that the battle is for the old to recognise it as a sport. Im not saying drift is king and all other types of motorsport should bow to it  Its kinda like a new type of music coming along.. it doesnt mean the classic stuff gets shelved.
Rock n roll is of the devil!
Ok, I think you get my point with those analogys.
Yes its a competition that is judged. I totally see all your points about sports that are judged. Especially surfing (which doesnt even have a level 'playing field') but what can you do. It's something new and different. Theres really no arguement to please anyone on this. Its judged on the skill of the drivers that IS its whackyness and thats what makes it different and new.
Ill give you a quick rundown of the Sydney scene over the last 6months:
drifnats comp awhile back (last year); 1500 spectators? 500 for day before qualifying. Since then 'driftland' hasnt had a comp. But it has been holding practice nights. Which were monthly (or in some cases longer)
first few practice nights. less than 30cars 200-300 spectators?
a few months ago, 30car limit reached places filled in last days beforehand. 500 spectators.
Last nights event (now upgraded from montly to fortnightly). 30 car limit reached 2weeks prior, waiting list FULL! 1000 spectators. (on a practice night!) No Competition rules. Just guys out on the track in groups drifting for themselves.
I have to stand strong on my last point here. Drift is a brilliant thing from a spectator standpoint. $10 entry and you see a combination of the skills of rally, the speed of circuit (well not as yet in australia), the carnage of a demolishin derby and a burnout comp combined. And what is the final link for spectators? The cars. Theyre not multimillion dollar backed specialised racing frames with shells theyre street cars from all walks of life. rally datto lad vs brand new hsv bogan. oldschool bugdet import guy vs autosalon 'import idol'
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Name one other type of motorsport or any engineering techinical based activity.. space race, balloon race, jetplane race. Where a kid can compete and defeat the best in the business?
Imagine you yourself could enter bathurst next friday night and have a car setup on a level playing field so that the only thing seperating you and brocky, richards, johnson from victory is YOUR SKILL and how you setup your car. Not money. Just SERIOUSLY think about that for a second. Its every kids dream. In Japans D1 comp you currently have a driver by the name of Hibino in an AE86 which is basically a bomb and he funds himself in the privateer class reached the final with the likes of Nomuken (a factory backed ER34 (GTR sedan) and Nomuken is one of the best drivers. And he met him in the final and ALMOST snatched victory. He outsted big names in the SEMIS though. This would be an amazing feet personally for a driver but think also of the impact this has on spectators! Local poor kid in 20year old car takes on the best in the business.
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Sat, 12 February 2005 12:34
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Priceless thread should be made sticky
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 12:46
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| bathurst-91 wrote on Sat, 12 February 2005 23:15 |
Who owns the tracks.. Well from a Sydney basis we use Oran park's gokart circuit now reffered to as 'driftland' (the organisers are marketing it as that )
The way to go? Not at all. Its not a battle between young and old here.. my point was that the battle is for the old to recognise it as a sport. Im not saying drift is king and all other types of motorsport should bow to it Its kinda like a new type of music coming along.. it doesnt mean the classic stuff gets shelved.
Rock n roll is of the devil!
Ok, I think you get my point with those analogys.
Yes its a competition that is judged. I totally see all your points about sports that are judged. Especially surfing (which doesnt even have a level 'playing field') but what can you do. It's something new and different. Theres really no arguement to please anyone on this. Its judged on the skill of the drivers that IS its whackyness and thats what makes it different and new.
Ill give you a quick rundown of the Sydney scene over the last 6months:
drifnats comp awhile back (last year); 1500 spectators? 500 for day before qualifying. Since then 'driftland' hasnt had a comp. But it has been holding practice nights. Which were monthly (or in some cases longer)
first few practice nights. less than 30cars 200-300 spectators?
a few months ago, 30car limit reached places filled in last days beforehand. 500 spectators.
Last nights event (now upgraded from montly to fortnightly). 30 car limit reached 2weeks prior, waiting list FULL! 1000 spectators. (on a practice night!) No Competition rules. Just guys out on the track in groups drifting for themselves.
I have to stand strong on my last point here. Drift is a brilliant thing from a spectator standpoint. $10 entry and you see a combination of the skills of rally, the speed of circuit (well not as yet in australia), the carnage of a demolishin derby and a burnout comp combined. And what is the final link for spectators? The cars. Theyre not multimillion dollar backed specialised racing frames with shells theyre street cars from all walks of life. rally datto lad vs brand new hsv bogan. oldschool bugdet import guy vs autosalon 'import idol'
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Name one other type of motorsport or any engineering techinical based activity.. space race, balloon race, jetplane race. Where a kid can compete and defeat the best in the business?
Imagine you yourself could enter bathurst next friday night and have a car setup on a level playing field so that the only thing seperating you and brocky, richards, johnson from victory is YOUR SKILL and how you setup your car. Not money. Just SERIOUSLY think about that for a second. Its every kids dream. In Japans D1 comp you currently have a driver by the name of Hibino in an AE86 which is basically a bomb and he funds himself in the privateer class reached the final with the likes of Nomuken (a factory backed ER34 (GTR sedan) and Nomuken is one of the best drivers. And he met him in the final and ALMOST snatched victory. He outsted big names in the SEMIS though. This would be an amazing feet personally for a driver but think also of the impact this has on spectators! Local poor kid in 20year old car takes on the best in the business.
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Crazy thread....people goin all hektic bout shit.....
last post was well said.....
I guess everyone's got there own opinion, pitty they have to believe that their's is more worthy than than everyone else's views.....
Fuck I hate when people are like thats shit/this is better/bla bla/stop getting plates like DRIFTT-DRFT-DRIFTAH ect........man people get what they wanna get, no one controls u or what u do/like/believe each to there own.........if someone wants plates that say drift or what ever then let em have em....if someone wants to drift/learn to drift.....dont mean they are wannabies.......ect ect ect.............smoked pigs to all with negative comments......big ups with all that have had something constructive to say......
not everyone is the same ok......people do what they wanna do...live ur own live.....drive ur own style car......race how u wanna race....................
DRIFT...............whammmm phhhssssstttttttt
R.I.P............hachi.........gota see some reincarnation.....
Peace...........
Im Out............
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 13:32
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Simon, i feel for u, but u already know that.
For the ppl that are asking what exactly happened? no offence but if u NEEDED to know, you would know. Details arent gonna be put out on an internet forum.
| b1gb3n wrote on Sat, 12 February 2005 21:44 |
howcome thanks to ae86 comunity in ADELAIDE and not AUSTRALIA wide 
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As close as the australian ae86 community is (Lets face it, we are a pretty big bunch o friends  ) its us here in Adelaide that offer direct help to simon. If anyone interstate deserves a thankyou, its adam (cheers man!), but this is an old video, and im sure he will be thanked in vids to come.
Kenneth, you say you dont like drifting, thats fine. But i have to agree with what someone else said on here earlier, if you ask a drifter why he/she does it, almost everytime they will say 'for fun'. Your entitled to an opinion, but leave it at that. Dont think that your views should influence other people, and their fun. Thats just not fair.
Dan, you wonder why ppl dont like you? You didnt need to stick your big caveman nose into this thread in the first place, lol
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 13:44
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I wouldn't mind knowing what happened!!! I wasn't there and have been watching this thread and am interested in this!!!!!
Did Simon really say he was going to put the dude in the wall? (or hit him) or whatever???
Give me some feed back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sat, 12 February 2005 16:39
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The events i have enterd have had, 4000, 5000, and 4500 respectivly, being G1 no 2 at Mallala, Bonzai Battle At Melbourne, And the Full Lock Drift nationals at mallala, as i said, at mallala drift CAMS sanctioned event (dont think it was at banzai battle).
Give it a try before you give it shit, you never know, you just might surprise yourelf. What International events have you entered turboke10, and in what specific form of motorsport? Id like to know what bacground you are from to give drift shit as you do
Cheers
Leighton
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Sat, 12 February 2005 23:48
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Wow - this is one seriously fucked up thread.
Is this Dan guy for real? I mean seriously - i still haven't had the pleasure of meeting him and I'm beginning to suspect that "he" is some kind of artificially intelligent computer virii that infects internet forums and posts shit. If Simon *did* threaten to smack into Dan's car I say "whatever" - it's not what I'd do - but I'd certainly pay to see it.
Secondly, turboke10 -> your participation in motorsport means squat. This is the internet, if you run around boasting credentials you are only going to look like you don't actually have a good argument - you are just trying to say to others that you are better than them and your opinion is right and theirs is wrong. Competing on an international level means you could have been the co-driver in the Classic Adelaide event and I've seen the Classic Adelaide and it ain't that rough. Maybe I should come up with something that makes me sound better than everyone else -> hmmm how about I've got a 100% win ratio in rally events? Yeah that sounds good - wait a minute, I've only 'competed' in one and that was a novice category so I guess it doesn't make me sound so good after all.
Anyway, in regards to your scepticism of drifting and it's professional uptake in Australia -> are you retarded? How much money do you expect to flood into a sport that is barely a few years old in Australia? It's only just recently been recognised as by CAMS and hence at least it is run INSURED now. You may not have noticed, but it is in it's infancy! The crowd that attends the drift events may not be the typical motorsport crowd - it's an extremely youthful crowd for sure - I would say that the fact that the crowd is young is a reflection of the unique nature of the sport. I'm not going to go into why drifting appeals to younger types but it is pretty impressive that even though drifting is still remarkably low on funding that it drags the young crowd out to Mallala better than a V8 Supercar race.
What is good for drifting is that it does have something that sets it apart from the 'same old'. You say you were bored watching Simon's drift vid? Have you watched the fucking formula 1 - the 'pinnacle' of what is considered the staple format for motorsport since time immemorial? It bores me to tears, I've watched about 1 race from start to finish in the last 24 months, usually I just switch over to Letterman or picking hairs out of my hairbrush. Circuit racing has it's demographic and it's appeal, rallying has it's demographic and it's appeal, drag racing does, and drifting has it's own as well. I'm not saying that drifting is better than Formula 1 - if a Formula 1 race was in town, and a drift event was on at the same time, I know which one I'd go to - F1 every time.
For the record - I'm a rally guy myself, and I think drifting is great to watch and probably to compete in as well (just gimme a few more months plz I'll be out there!) - and so do a few other local ralliers like Jack and Gleeson.
Well - enough of this shit.
Simon that sucks MEGA hard that your car is dead, here's hoping you find a way to get back out there to do your thing. I wish there was something I could do right now!
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 01:32
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| FWDboy wrote on Sun, 13 February 2005 10:48 |
Secondly, turboke10 -> your participation in motorsport means squat. This is the internet, if you run around boasting credentials you are only going to look like you don't actually have a good argument - you are just trying to say to others that you are better than them and your opinion is right and theirs is wrong. Competing on an international level means you could have been the co-driver in the Classic Adelaide event and I've seen the Classic Adelaide and it ain't that rough. Maybe I should come up with something that makes me sound better than everyone else -> hmmm how about I've got a 100% win ratio in rally events? Yeah that sounds good - wait a minute, I've only 'competed' in one and that was a novice category so I guess it doesn't make me sound so good after all.
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for all u know he raced go-karts at an international level!! Do we need CAMS for go-karts??
drifting is nice to watch and probably just as fun behind the wheel (never tried on track)
other forms of track racing is bloody fun to watch but not so much for the spectators. like FWD boy said F1 is boring, but im sure its a farking different story behind the wheel 
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Sun, 13 February 2005 02:21
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Yeah I'm not sure about all go-kart competitions but Superkarts is organised by CAMS 
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Sun, 13 February 2005 08:18
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simon where's the pics?
PICSORBAN
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 10:44
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pics of what? you guys got a whole video to look at!
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 10:57
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teh damage noob
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 11:22
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nah i'll be keeping those ones to myself me thinks.
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 11:27
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sun, 13 February 2005 22:22 |
nah i'll be keeping those ones to myself me thinks.
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awww stick a driftmonkeycat on it, she'll be right mate
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Sun, 13 February 2005 11:27
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Mon, 14 February 2005 04:41
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I assume the video in question was your promo video from way back ?
I love it it's saved on my comp, when i get bored i watch a bit of it.
I love the begining when u just come out of the the corner then as soon as the music kicks in you are doing fishy's at upwards of 80kms an hour.
How back is the car can't you just swap everything over on to another shell ???????
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Mon, 14 February 2005 06:03
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nah its a totally different (better) video mate
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Tue, 15 February 2005 03:01
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Simon, really sorry to hear man. The end of an era. Seeing that car in action has been a huge inspiration to many people dude (with me right up the top of the list!).
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| CRAB-86 wrote on Sat, 12 February 2005 22:04 |
You also might want to have a closer look at your rule book champ. To the best of my knowledge CAMS is now getting behind drift
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Like I said, I could not find any occurence of drifting in my latest CAMS rule book. Let it be so.
Drifting does not fit my previous or current form of motorsport.
My motive for posting a reply in this thread is not to document my previous motorsport activities but merely to ascertain some informative comment on the sport of drifting and why it is comparable to other more traditional motorsport.
I do not think that drag racing is a particularly skilled form of motorsport, others may disagree. BUT, it is established, and I am simply inquisitive to the future of the motorsport other than a hobby-like past-time taken up by those who have no explanation for it.
Personally, I believe that the followers of this "sport" are the let down, and will be the ultimate demise of its permanancy.
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Ken, BRO, seriously, who cares? I would like to ascertain some informative comment on why exactly you require people to justify a new sport for you?
Seriously, what is the answer you are trying to get and why do you need it? Drifting is fun, that's all you need to know, and, as I always say - Live and let live.
Cheers,
Jeremy.
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Tue, 15 February 2005 08:35
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Well said jeremy
kenneth, drift is fun and your missing out! oh well!
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Wed, 16 February 2005 10:39
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drift is indeed fun and im missing out 
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Re: AE86 Drift Video
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Wed, 16 February 2005 22:36
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Wed, 16 February 2005 21:39 |
drift is indeed fun and im missing out
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I'll let you drive mine in return for some private tuition
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