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Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Thu, 17 February 2005 23:53
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Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
I'm thinking of buying a boat with one, and apparently it needs a new carby and one of the pots has no compression (the rest are fine).
The spark plug is wet with petrol.
Does this mean that the valves are gone - would it need a new head or just the valve & seals replaced?
Should i get another ford carby from pickies or get a 350 holley? If i got a holley, would i have to tune it?
cheers boys, let me know what i'm in for...
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Thu, 17 February 2005 23:56
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v8ma61 spooges all over them..
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Nor Calif USA
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June 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Thu, 17 February 2005 23:59
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| chrishulbert wrote on Fri, 18 February 2005 10:53 |
Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
I'm thinking of buying a boat with one, and apparently it needs a new carby and one of the pots has no compression (the rest are fine).
The spark plug is wet with petrol.
Does this mean that the valves are gone - would it need a new head or just the valve & seals replaced?
Should i get another ford carby from pickies or get a 350 holley? If i got a holley, would i have to tune it?
cheers boys, let me know what i'm in for...
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it may need new rings. it sounds like rebuild time.
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 00:07
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Its just been recoed 2 years ago, and all the other pistons all had exactly 160psi which sounds good. So i'm guessing the rings should be fine, which is what the mechanic guy guessed as well, given that the plug was petrol-soaked instead of oil-soaked.
Am i on the money?
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 00:28
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I'd say the engine is pretty standard, so a 350 holley would be fine. But if i bought one, would i need an adaptor or something, or would it bolt right up? Would i need to tune it, or do they come tuned for the standard engine?
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Brisbane
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 00:32
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| chrishulbert wrote on Fri, 18 February 2005 10:28 |
I'd say the engine is pretty standard, so a 350 holley would be fine. But if i bought one, would i need an adaptor or something, or would it bolt right up? Would i need to tune it, or do they come tuned for the standard engine?
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it should work fine, as that was what was standard with the 302s from factory. On that note, its never a bad idea to tune a motor when you replace something such as a carby 
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 00:37
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So are you saying 350 holleys are what came standard with a 302 from factory?
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 07:27
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for that motor in a boat i would be using a 600cfm double pump spread bore, keep away from the square bore holleys if you can they will give you nothing but greif on a boat, it must be a double pump to work well on a boat
boats are a different beast to a car, a 350cfm on a small block in a boat wouldnt pull me out of the water,
a 650 will rip my arms off,
i have converted my ski boat to injection using one of my throttle bodies and a microtech LTX8s, it was around 600cfm to start with and it wouldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding, i put it in the mill and took a few mm out of it to make the chokes .5mm bigger than a 650 holley and it will now rip your arms off,
ill get some pics of it for you,
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 07:54
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here are the pics of my setup, excuse the dodgy fuel rail, half way through making a nice stainless one now
these are the throttle bodies i use, they are 600cfm but can bore the chokes to what ever size you require, cheap at $495 with the TPS
Dale
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Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 08:05
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| chrishulbert wrote on Fri, 18 February 2005 08:37 |
So are you saying 350 holleys are what came standard with a 302 from factory?
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I would have thought they had some sort of carter?
10sec_rx7: what would be wrong with using a double pumper squarebore? spreadbore holleys were only designed as bolt on replacements for cars with spreadbore carbs standard, i fail to see any performance advantage only disadvantage with using a spreadbore.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 08:15
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the spread bore a just more reliable, i went through 4 different square bore double pumps (including a 4777 holley performance carb) on the boat and not one worked properly, we had them rebuilt by carb experts, all the jetting was right, fuel pressure was right, they just didnt like being smashed around over waves and turning corners, had a spread bore 600 on it to start with and it was great, never missed a beat but it basically fell apart from old age, i got jack of it and did the injection!
you have to remember a boat is a different beast, there is no rest for the engine, it is under load from the moment it is in gear till the moment you stop,
just going on my exprince with carbs and boats that i have been messing with for the last 5 years, my old man would never have a carb on a boat ever again after we put the injection on it,
no doubt you went and brought one of the holley square bore marine carbs you wouldnt have any problems but at aroun $800 they can jam that!
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Sat, 19 February 2005 03:06
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Okay i'm really intrigued with how you did your fuel injected setup! That looks awesome! Thanks for the photos too
So does it really give you *that* much more power? Does the economy improve too?
So tell me what's involved, because thats a conversion i wouldn't mind doing.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Sat, 19 February 2005 07:25
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you would be suprised how much better all round performance the boat has now,
not too hard to do, just fit 8 injector mounts, fit fuel pump, make a fuel rail (even a dodgy one like mine) bolt on throttle body, wire and tune ecu and your done
i see you are in castle hill, so am i,
you can pop around and have a look if you like
Dale
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Sun, 20 February 2005 22:16
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Damn... the boat i was going to buy got sold. Missed out - oh well it doesn't matter now.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Sun, 20 February 2005 22:19
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bugger!!
there will be plenty more out there!
Dale
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
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December 2002
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Fri, 11 March 2005 18:19
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Bugger - missed out on sharing info!
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Mon, 14 March 2005 00:29
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Okay boys, its not too late. I ended up buying another boat. This time its got a ford 351 cleveland. Its a beaast.
But yeah, just gotta tidy it up a bit.
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Brisbane
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Mon, 14 March 2005 00:36
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| chrishulbert wrote on Mon, 14 March 2005 10:29 |
Okay boys, its not too late. I ended up buying another boat. This time its got a ford 351 cleveland. Its a beaast.
But yeah, just gotta tidy it up a bit.
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glad to see u picked a decent motor...shame thats not a 351` windsor...easy 400 stroker job 
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Who knows anything about ford windsor 302's ?
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Mon, 14 March 2005 00:48
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Yeah but mine's got 4V heads, and a massive holley
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