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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 15 February 2005 10:05
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if some fuck*n wanker didnt write my car off i owulda had one for ya but the top of it is totaly missing .. gives me the shits lol
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: October 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 15 February 2005 13:59
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Hmmmmm Doobs sorry to hear about ur car...
Let me just mention a few things..
Think to urself why ur radiator maybe leaking...
I'm guessin its probably coming from the top tank seal or else its coming from a crack...
Now i wouldn't bog it up.... because there is a reason why they crack....
Short story...
I had a leakin radiator for ages, the top tank had actually cracked, so i had tried electric tape, which worked wonderfully for quite a while, i kept using it but the problem was it kept getting wet and it would shrink with the heat....
I went on like this trying absolutely EVERYTHING u could think of to stop it leakin, i even tried to melt some very hard PLASTIC with the soldering iron and apply it to the crack to somehow seal it up but that didn't work either...
So i thought to myself that there MUST be a reason why it cracked in the first place... Decided to get it reconditioned, this mean't that all of the radiator inner pieces would be cleaned, i'd get a new TOP tank and seal...
I dropped off the radiator in dads car (take it out urself, they will charge about $60-70 to remove and put back in)
I got it back the same day in the afternoon...
The place did a WONDERFUL job, the tank looked new, they even sprayed the core for me...
Heres the suprise.... My tank was 70% blocked. it was only running off 2 of the channels, he said to me that if i had taken one more highway run that the car would have overheated very badly and could have done a headgasket
Cost me $150, best money i've spent, my bet is that yours is blocked too..
I'll get u the number a bit later on, they are in melbourne so u might wanna drop it in on say a Saturday morning early... but that leaves the problem of removing it and puttin it back in, coz u will need coolant and water...
Cheers
Adrian
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 16 February 2005 13:59
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can I just say to anyone thinking about putting a harness on their 162, that it is reeeeaaly easy!! if the back seats are out, it takes less than 10 minutes to bolt on. best of all, after reading the FIA requirements for 4 point harnesses and actually measuring mine....it is compliant...*yey*
thought i'd point it out
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 16 February 2005 23:23
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Although - I personally wouldn't mount harnesses to anything but a roll cage, but that's just me (and Possum Bourne who's co-driver was killed by harnesses mounted to the chassis).
Having said that, they would be nice - keeps you held in tight under hard braking/cornering!
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 03:32
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excuse me for being ignorant or insensative for asking, but how did he die from harnesses that was particularly mounted on the chassis? ideally, it should be mounted on a seperate strut mounted between the two sides of the b pillars. but this is not possible unless you have a full roll cage. So unless the bolts that were conected to the chassis came off or broke (in which case it wouldnt be the harness' fault) I can't see how death can come about, directly related to chassis mounted harnesses.
I would like to know the story if someone or FWDBoy would care explaining?
Cheers,
Jon
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Location: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 05:08
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Well just dropped off my car at W.A. Suspensions this morning, getting
Lovell Sports Low Springs, and KYB gas shocks installed. Will keep you up to date on the improvement over the stock setup.
STOCK
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 05:49
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FWDboy wrote on Thu, 17 February 2005 15:28 | Explanation coming up in a sec....
"It soon became clear that it was a freak crash. The Legacy we drove that day was one that mounted the seat belt harnesses on the original seat belt mounts for the rear seat passengers. When the car hit the tree, it moved that part of the body-shell back, and the belts compressed Rodger's rib cage, squashing his lungs, liver and kidneys. The seats themselves were strong enough to take the pressure, just when Rodger needed them to break to relieve the strain on his body. The doctors at the hospital said that no amount of surgery would have saved Rodger"
From "Bourne to Rally" (2003) Phantom House Books Ltd.
Don't forget - you asked
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man that made me feel sick
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 06:20
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I have the 17mm one so I have no idea what you are talking about
Yeah i might remove that quote and just pm it to jonchai - it's a little raw.
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Registered: November 2003
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Location: Sydney, Australia
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 06:55
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hmm interesting story, kinda defeated the purpose of removing as rob already quoted you
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 07:40
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Rob, i have a 14mm(i think) plug on my sump.When i changed them over i hadd the bigger one but newy had the smaller, which atm is semi-threaded and in need of a die job. I think u can buy them from autobarn, in fact i know you can coz i was looking at them tonight. good luck with it mate
Oh, and good news guys-Front brakes are finally on!!!!!thats red twin-spots, new pads and new discs. Stops a treat now. Next on the list is new plugs(NGK iridiums)all the fluids, a huge clean and replacing both driveshaft boots which i have discovered are catcus.
Catcha guys
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Location: Geelong.Vic.AU
Registered: September 2003
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Location: Sydney, Australia
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 17 February 2005 09:29
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post the freaking car pics!!
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 18 February 2005 05:48
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Just letting you guys know that about 5 minutes ago i finished making an oil catch can from 2 brass fittings, some new hose(thanx pirtek) an empty water bottle, a coke lid and some gaffa tape. I'll take some pics tomorrow.
The coke bottle is just a temp fix till i can get a small coolant overflow bottle or something that will look factory.
Cheers
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 18 February 2005 06:55
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dude you should stuff the water bottle full of that fine steel wool
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 20 February 2005 08:38
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Fine steel wool?okie dokie.Will do that when i change the bottle. NEw idea of a small milo tin Whatya reckon? cathca guys
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 20 February 2005 10:55
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ill get a stainless can made to ur specs if you want for 30 bucks.. and send it down beats the milo tin
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Location: Sydney
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 20 February 2005 12:31
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Hey guys.. If yous dont know ive already told yous before but i put a jap spec engine... Well i got pics of it.. It looks the same but some diffrent things have been changed... His some pics
Far Pic of engine
Close pic
Pic of Yamaha printed on head
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 20 February 2005 21:51
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I think the jap spec has different cylinder head, would that make up for the slighly higher compression?
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 00:59
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I doubt the heads are different it's more likely the pistons. I've seen that Yamaha stamping on an Aus delivered head before what year was the import engine?
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Location: Sydney
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 01:02
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I think its a 87 model... My last engine i had in it Didnt go as near hard as this one... And when i put 98 octane in it i fell a diffrence in speed.. But my aus spec i had before didnt..
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 01:07
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oh ok then that would be my next guess, jap engine is running 10:1 compression right
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 01:32
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hey has anyone researched on aftermarket pulley kits for the 3sge engines? if there are such a part for the 3sge.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 03:50
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ST162GT-R wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 12:32 | hey has anyone researched on aftermarket pulley kits for the 3sge engines? if there are such a part for the 3sge.
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Why bother, if the engines kaput.... throw in a 3SGTE and start investing
But to answer your question, i dont think i've seen much aftermarket parts for the 3SGE's, but i could be wrong. Cause there are a few people out there with MR2 non-turbos which still runs the 3SGEs only different generations.
I'd prolly prefer to get a ST165 later on... and use my red one as daily drive to and from work... something like this:
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 04:12
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i've seen pulley kits for 2nd gen 3sge mr2 engines, but not sure if there are any for the 1st gen 3sge.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Location: Canberra
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 10:11
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Hey StuC yeah man a milo tin works well for an oil catch can, I made mine a few weeks back using that.
Being an old veteren of this thread I though I would pop in and chuck this up.
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=60473&start=0&rid=2471&S=71b121f420d 4aca0f4ec566432b89d25
also a bit of advise from some of you more experienced ones from the old days, how much do ST162's with 3sgte's go for these days, I haven't really been looking but I am sure you guys have, I have seriosly lost interest in my celica, soo soon my car and all the spare parts I have will be up for sale.
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 11:55
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how much would a St162 witha 3sge beams swap from a St202(?) go for these days
Hmms - NA fun rught there - and a possible dream car for some
Integgy type R's - PFFT!
Btw - still monitoring this thread .. its helping logical second car processes atm
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 16:28
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Classique71 wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 22:55 | how much would a St162 witha 3sge beams swap from a St202(?) go for these days
Hmms - NA fun rught there - and a possible dream car for some
Integgy type R's - PFFT!
Btw - still monitoring this thread .. its helping logical second car processes atm
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It's my dream car Even though it'd be expensive, and probably wouldn't see a full return on my investment, it'd be cheaper to build a Beams ST162 than buy a DC2 Integra or import a DC3 Civic Type-R (which I love).
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 21 February 2005 22:40
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Classique71 wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 22:55 | how much would a St162 witha 3sge beams swap from a St202(?) go for these days
Hmms - NA fun rught there - and a possible dream car for some
Integgy type R's - PFFT!
Btw - still monitoring this thread .. its helping logical second car processes atm
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Stuey! between 5-6k I am lead to believe. But man that is SO cheap for something that will eat any other n/a small sports car alive
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:45
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thats the idea
as said - im still planning on a second car - it would be nice to have the best of both worlds
BTW bad luck on the reverse into dude - hopefully its sweet again soon
Gt4 is having some new wireys put in - im about 90% thru getting the battery swapped into the boot Was extremely easy so far , considering the work involved
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:52
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would it be possible to change the whole of the 3sge internals with the beams 3sge interals? think you'd get the same amount of power, plus a beams ecu?
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Location: Canberra
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 03:32
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damn you Stuart don't change the subject
nah serious has anyone been keeping an eye on ST162 GT2 sales or has anyone bought one recently? I am interested in a price average, cause I didn't realise that ST162's sold so cheap these days.
or if anyone is interested in buying one please see my signature below
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Location: Canberra
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 03:36
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ST162GT-R wrote on Tue, 22 February 2005 12:52 | would it be possible to change the whole of the 3sge internals with the beams 3sge interals? think you'd get the same amount of power, plus a beams ecu?
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I don't think that would really be possible, or it would be but you would probably spend more rebuilding the engine with beams parts than just dropping a whole beams engine in the first place, you could probably build a hardcore NA for the same ammount that may be better than the beams.
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 04:32
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Hmm..building a n/a more powerful then the beams or equal, not a bad idea, probably cheaper and won't have to source out the beams engine at the same time.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:14
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i think building one to be as fast would cost more than actualy buying the beams
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:25
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well beams is what 5-6k, i've spent up to 3 1/2 on the engine rebuild, so about another 3 1/2 more to go, i don't think it would be too hard?
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Location: QLD, Gold Coast
Registered: February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:28
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ST162GT-R wrote on Tue, 22 February 2005 16:25 | well beams is what 5-6k, i've spent up to 3 1/2 on the engine rebuild, so about another 3 1/2 more to go, i don't think it would be too hard?
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opps meant another 2.5 k, that totals 6k
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:45
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Hey guys hows things?
Stu, in regards to the beams transplant...
a gen3 st202 halfcut will set you back about $2200 maybe even a little less from some wreckers, although i have seen prices go up to about 4k! For about 4k you can get a beams halfcut but probs not in the best of conditions - i know some of you will be thinking that an st202 is a beams, but they're not -
series 2 of the 6th gen celicas came out with beams whereas series 1 came out with the st202. Difference is beams has duall VVTi compared to single(exhaust side only i think)Im pretty sure the internals are the same tho. I've been researching this in depth as this is the option im probably gonna go. I'll talk a bit more about it with you at the dyno day on sat if you want.
PS:Great news guys, ive stopped my sump leaking and have done a drain,flush and change of oil etc.My sump plug (12mm for ya Rob) was completely stripped bar 1 thread! tomorrow im gonna install my foggies and see if i can hunt down a boot for my driveshaft.
Al;so, do the 3sge's have to have a rocker gasket or can a silicon or similar(read loctite gasket maker) one be made up and work fine? Sorry for the long post guys.
Catcha
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 06:03
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The $5-6k for the ST202 halfcut includes more than just the engine. Most importantly, its the computer and gearbox too.
If you wanted to rebuild/work an older generation 3SGE up to 200hp, you'd be sacrificing a lot of functionality as a daily driver, running such aggressive maps and timing. Plus then you'd have the problem of getting the power to the ground. Even if your stock gearbox (16+ years old...) was in good shape, LSD is a must for performance front wheel drives.
Now after you've swapped in all the Beams gear, you've got a 200hp engine to work on as a starting point - not a finishing point.
TRD independant throttle bodies, add some more agressive cams and dabble with aftermarket computing (I think the VVTi is a fairly closed system...) and you're going to be moving past the performance of 220hp Type-R engines. You've got super charging and turbo options to look at too. It is serious dollars, but it is serious performance. Plus, the Beams gear will hold more resale value at the end of the day.
EDIT: The Celica Beams engine came in the 1997-1999 SS-II and SS-III models. The LSD gearbox is only in the SS-III model. Other than the presence of a front spoiler (option on the SS-II), the cars are identical. Cheaper ST202 halfcuts are more likely the SS-II model.
[Updated on: Tue, 22 February 2005 06:23]
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 22 February 2005 08:57
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Just got my car back from the body shop. I'm really excited about having it back, dispite the 100 little things wrong with it that continue to bug me.
It was sent in to repair damage to the FRHS fender caused by my sister when hit a pine fence post as she swung out while reversing.
While it was in, I got some of the black plastic and the sun faded bonet, spoiler and rear bumper resprayed. The paint is a okay match. With a little time and some polishing, the difference should be nil.
(Excuse my exhaust hanging off, it must have been pulled off its rubber hook while it was in the shop and it was too hot to put it back in when I got home.)
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Location: Geelong.Vic.AU
Registered: September 2003
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 23 February 2005 06:09
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Hi guys,
my cars in the workshop again!!
is it just me or does my car spend as much time off the road than it does on.!! in the past 12 months, i think my car has spent 7 months "out of action", I mean, WTF.
This time, the car won't start at all. put the car to 'on' and the dash lights appear as normal but when u would push it to crank, absolutely nothing happens. not a click or a weak attempt at starting. thought it was the immobiliser but isnt, tried to jump start, won't. pfffff......WHATEVER....F*#%
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 23 February 2005 14:03
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jonchai wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 16:09 | Hi guys,
my cars in the workshop again!!
is it just me or does my car spend as much time off the road than it does on.!! in the past 12 months, i think my car has spent 7 months "out of action", I mean, WTF.
This time, the car won't start at all. put the car to 'on' and the dash lights appear as normal but when u would push it to crank, absolutely nothing happens. not a click or a weak attempt at starting. thought it was the immobiliser but isnt, tried to jump start, won't. pfffff......WHATEVER....F*#%
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might be a starter relay, common problem with the 162
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 23 February 2005 19:12
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hey jess, its been freaking ages since you were last on, whats new?Hows that conversion of yours coming along? Keep us up to date mate. catcha
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 24 February 2005 03:41
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okay, car is back, it was only the alarm and something along the lines of..... the solders came off, came loose or something like that. So it was trivial despite it costing me over $200. Damn cars.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 03:52
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I've been looking at that '202 swap too - does anyone know if you can road register a privately imported ST202? Does the engine make it significantly different enough from the local ST204R?
Also, last night on the freeway my 'check engine' light came on. Error code 21 - Oxygen sensor? The light only occasionally comes on during long / hard drives. Do I have to replace the sensor now, or will it be okay for a while?
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 03:56
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smashed_wombat wrote on Fri, 25 February 2005 14:52 | ....Also, last night on the freeway my 'check engine' light came on. Error code 21 - Oxygen sensor? The light only occasionally comes on during long / hard drives. Do I have to replace the sensor now, or will it be okay for a while?
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it will be ok for ages mate.. I have had that issue on long freeway drives with cruise on for ages and ages,dont' worry, just do it when you get a chance.
oldcorollas sells them on these forums
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 03:59
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Sweet, thanks for that.
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 05:32
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the o2 sensor will be fine for ages, i get the light too except i cant get any to replace mine. apparently mines some funky import model..
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 06:50
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Hey guys, i checked out another 162-silver with blue interior.HAs had a respray and is very straight. Electric windows, factory sunroof(no leaks) and AC. The engine is fukt (i think its #1 conrod from the sounds of it)which is good and has extractors.
So...should i buy it for $1k and transplant my suspension, sway bar, rims,stereo, exhaust and sell mine for $3200 and put a new engine in or should i work on the body of mine?
Pros....good body, OEM stuff to put on my red one, including RWC tyres.
Cons....I hate the interior, so if any of you guys have a full dark grey or black interior i'll buy it off you and all will be swell!!
Opinions guys
thanx...
PS-Wreckers in Melbourne are rip-off merchants. $4500 for a st185 conversion without install, so engine,turbo and some ancillaries, no gbox!!!!!!!
and im having trouble finding a 202 halfcut.
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Location: Perth
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 25 February 2005 07:04
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Sounds like buying it and transplanting your gear is a great option. A rough body is only going to detract from the value of a worked car.
With the ST202 halfcut, maybe you should talk to an importer and get them to source one for you? It could take a few months, but it'd be worth it.
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Registered: November 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 27 February 2005 00:34
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dyno day i got 71fwkw,
two reasons why so low: a) its auto with 320,000 and no rebuild
b) my o2 sensor air/fuel ration needs replacement, peak power was only at 5400 due to drop off on the ratio
so to bring mine up to speed my future things to do r:
1) o2 sensor (might do gorup buy with adrian, stuc etc)
2)remove resonator, im lazy
3) extractors
4) high flow cat
5) jaycar air/fule ratio tuner to adjust my top end
6) next time use optimax
hopefully this will bring it up a bit more!!!
congrats to adrian with 86fwkw!!!!
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 27 February 2005 04:19
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Yeah, as drift-spec said, our O2 sensors are rooted and id be putting money on it that most of the guys' here are too.My proposal:one group buy of oxy sensors. I'll try and hunt some good ones down.Adam(improved AE86) knows of some good ones but couldnt remember the name.
I posted a 78.6kW@5650, but it was running so rich it was blowing sooo much black smoke it wasnt funny. Anyway, have a few things to do to the car next week and im still hunting around for a good body as that silver one got sold.
Catcha guys
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 27 February 2005 04:21
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i got an 86 one dunno how good it is though
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 27 February 2005 04:41
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brad, is that an 86 shell or 86 oxy sensor?i wont take a second-hand unit but thanx anyway. I want to replace with a new item so it works perfectly.If its a shell, what colour?is body straight?rust etc?
Cheers
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