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Campbelltown, NSW, Austra...
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Wed, 05 January 2005 09:35
 
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Corona i think its the same reason that Ford wouldn't dare try and use forced 6s. Basicly by using a 5l pushrod v8 it levels the playing field. Niether Holden will push it SV6 and future possible forced induction versions into touring car racing. The forced 6s, although having lower power figures, could whip their V8 counterparts but niether Holden nor Ford want to alienate their loal V8 fan bases.
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 04:06
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Very different times camry omega, you have to remember that this was group A days thus any combination of cars ran, there was even corollas' twin cams in lower classes, err you could not run an XR6 turbo because AVESCO stands for the Australian Vee Eight Supercar Corporation, thus a six would not qualify, but back in the days any production car was eligible, the question is why didn't any privateers run them not the factory teams.
Remember the XU1 GTR's were sixes so there is no reason why they had to run V8's. Ford didn't even have v8's at the time so the fact that ford could win v8 sales off them didn't exist.
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Banned User
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Camden (Sydney)
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September 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 04:47
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about 2 years ago mitsubishi appointed Warren Luff head of Mitsubishi V8 racing (v8 supercars) they had almost finished building their car when Mitsubishi had that major fall through and they had to terminate the project.So it looks as if other company's very well could be joining the race, so to speak.
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 05:01
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To the whole production class thing with turbos in the 80s scaring the v8s. Dont forget Furys Bluebird!!! Set a lap record at Mt Panorma that lasted for years. And this car used a pushrod sohc 1.8l engine with some boost 
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 05:04
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err that project was finished but it only produced 450hp and it raced in the 24 hr bathurst not really a production car but either were the two lead monaros.
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 08:03
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 06 January 2005 16:04 |
err that project was finished but it only produced 450hp and it raced in the 24 hr bathurst not really a production car but either were the two lead monaros.
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no that magna was racing in a class like the supercars for people with smaller budgets. They still had to run v8's but only allowed 400hp from what I was told. It used to be on speedweek a while back. Can't remember the name of it because i really couldn't give a shit 
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Location:
Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 08:49
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Note: Fury's Bluebird still holds the record on the old track. (before the chase was built)
I didn't think the z18 was pushrod?
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 06 January 2005 09:44
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yes I know it was used for the pleb V8 category even below konica but tey also did race it at the 24hr to fill numbers
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sat, 08 January 2005 14:22
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You mean the "Future Tourer" category ? That James Brock raced in? that was a very good idea, which cost more than the originators thought it would, so was killed by lack of entries.
So many people on here hold up Group-A touring cars as some kind of tin-top racing god. People seem to forget that once manufacturers worked out how to use the rulebook, only the Sierras and GTRs won races with any regularity. Hang on - that sounds like a two-make race series. Oh NO ! ! !
1984-1993 isn't a bad run for a set of rules, but the problem with Group A was that big manufacturers could design road-cars with the Group-A rulebook firmly in mind. That gave them a massively unfair advantage over companies that were simply adapting existing cars for racing (i.e. within the spirit of the rules).
As much as it may be hated-on by soooo many toymodders, V8SC's show no sign of losing momentum after a decade on top of Aussie motorsports. How long did 2-litre SuperTouring last before it priced itself out of existance? I know that spectators don't make good racing, but you need public support to get sponsors, which you need in droves to run expensive, top-level motorsport. I attended a couple of Super-Tourer events in its last two years of decent competition/entries, and the racing was fantastic, the cars looked great and sounded good (for 4-cylinders).
I also had my choice of spectating positions, as there were only a few hundred people there, as opposed to any V8SC round you care to attend.
It's racing dudes. Yes, V8SC's are basically a silhouette category now, I know that only the body is carried over from the road cars. Just accept it at face value and get on with life!
Come back and talk to me about a Group-A style category when you've come up with a set of rules that gives true parity between a full grid of modified road cars, of different engines/weights/configurations etc, at all Australian circuits.
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Location:
toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sun, 09 January 2005 11:30
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I just reckon it would be better too see more manufactures in it then just Holden and Ford. It just gets so boring to watch a bunch on Falcodores race all he time. Personally I just think that any one who'd rather see an Australian manufacture win all the time is beyond a joke.
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sun, 09 January 2005 12:10
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They're painted differently to one 'nother. 
Does that help?
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Fri, 18 February 2005 16:41
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ok ok ok ive been living in broady for too long... and things never gets boring here.... geez these Fooly sik Doods keep me amused!!
FOOLY SIK!!11
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Location:
St James, Perth
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June 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sun, 20 February 2005 17:15
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[quote title=mick wrote on Mon, 03 January 2005 11:53
hey Come one he's only speaking the truth about alot of VL's getting about. (not all) and as for the ricer remark goes. you do realise that the VL's came out with the 3L "Nissan" 6 cylinder that is in the Skylines  [/quote]
Not many holden fans realise what they are saying when they say their "aussie" VL turbo could shit all over any jap-crap.
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sun, 20 February 2005 22:43
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| Mookie wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 08:44 |
EDIT : I'm pretty sure C.O.M.E make most of the V8 supercars drivetrain altho i'm not sure.
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The engines are based on previous-generation chev & Ford 5Litre cast iron V8's, with "motorsport" heads (read: low production volume custom castings). The internals are sourced from a variety of places (a fair whack of aussie bits get used) and the engines are built either in-house, or by HSV's customer engine operation. I don't doubt that one or more teams are "in bed" with C.O.M.E. one way or another. MOTEC ECUs are now standard (I think) and Manifolds, injection, exhausts etc. are up to the team to sort out.
Gearboxes are (Melbourne built?) Hollinger 6-speed straight cut H-pattern "crash" box. Diffs are a Ford 9-inch centre, usually with Harrop Engineering casing & axle tubes, with camber adjustable via shims.
They might look like bodykitted falcodores, but they sure ain't built like the showroom version!
p.s. - I like V8SC's because it's close racing, and I barrack for about half the field - Holden or Ford!
p.p.s. - Ignore the bogans and come camping at Bathurst this year: I PROMISE you'll be hooked on the first day!
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Sun, 20 February 2005 22:47
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You might be right i'm just going on what i read in the street machines with the magna on the front.
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Sun, 20 February 2005 23:18
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I don't see aaaaanything on the C.O.M.E. website mentioning V8SC involvement - of course that doesn't mean they're not selling pistons/conrods/cranks to teams. -Maybe they've gotta keep quiet about it. You'd think any business supplying parts to a V8SC team would want to shout loud and proud about it though - who knows . . . . . . . .
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Mon, 21 February 2005 01:57
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Oh and the old decent motor holden made was the 253,
The 202 would drop piston numbers 1 and 5 all the time.
And the 186 was useless and the block must have been made out of cardboard beacause i blew a hole in the side of the block right next to the engine mount.
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On Probation
Location:
sydney
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February 2005
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Mon, 21 February 2005 03:37
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i wouldn't be caught dead driving a commodore......... unless it was a VP SS or VL turbo. the others have just had the d00dle. this new commo sounds like its been designed by all the "home boys" from penrith.
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Mon, 21 February 2005 03:47
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I'd give my wife one (when i get one) but that's it.
I'd much prefer her to have a car i don't give 2 shits about.
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Location:
toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 00:45
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| Mookie wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 12:57 |
Oh and the old decent motor holden made was the 253,
The 202 would drop piston numbers 1 and 5 all the time.
And the 186 was useless and the block must have been made out of cardboard beacause i blew a hole in the side of the block right next to the engine mount.
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202 are alright if there looked after. I never had any problems with mine, I find it's usally acts of stupidity that fucks the old Holden motors up. I preffer EFI over any carby now but. It's just so much better
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:23
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I did look after it a serviced it and everything.
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toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:30
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how was it driven? mine lasted, every one I've known with a 202 had a good run except the ones that have been flogged or miss treated. the ones that I have known too die are red motors, but they where very badly treated.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:42
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it was red motors i had.
They were in a 720 4X4.
I went thru 3 202's and one 186 before i sold it.
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Location:
toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:48
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BLOODY RED MOTORS!!!! that sucks dude!! better luck with the next motor you buy. Fuck that
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 02:42
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Nothing but toyota motors from now on.
After seeing my mate with his 5mge hilux i'm regretting selling my old datto 4x4
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Location:
toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Tue, 22 February 2005 12:55
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Can't go wrong with a Toyota motor!!! thats for sure
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Eminem Edition Commodore
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Wed, 23 February 2005 00:55
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I've yet to see anything more than a broken timing belt and the gear fall of the dizzy happnen to a toyota motor.
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Wed, 23 February 2005 02:08
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referring to the earlier comment about the
"push rod sohc" z18...ummm
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Location:
Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Wed, 23 February 2005 05:27
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That's why I wrote:
| muaythaiman wrote on Thu, 06 January 2005 19:49 |
Note: Fury's Bluebird still holds the record on the old track. (before the chase was built)
I didn't think the z18 was pushrod?
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Location:
melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: Enimen Edition Commodore
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Thu, 24 February 2005 09:30
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well guess u guys havent seen the r33 running gear (engine 4wd system etc) running in a vk calais then?
looks smick.... i like it coz its different to getting a skyline
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