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1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Fri, 06 August 2004 16:08
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Considering everything, would it be better of to absolutly bomb the 18r-g i have to the max, or go all the way with 1ggte, new diff, g/b, brakes everything?
The RA40 is a wee bit sluggish, and im bored..and have cash..
so ya know 
lol a workin man with nothin to spend it on
Sweet 16 can be tooooo much fun
But does anyone have a rough cost, pricelist to do the conversion?
or a rough price to bomb out an 18r-g
Thanx
Steve
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sat, 07 August 2004 01:25
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Id say go with the 1g gte straight away, thats the smart idea...
its already turbo.. and will make a whack more power than ur 18r ever will.
doing all the work yourself with a better intercooler and exhaust and few other small things look at around 5000-6500 for conversion i would say
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Location:
Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sat, 07 August 2004 01:41
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1ggte 
u'll love it
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Brisbane
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November 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sat, 07 August 2004 14:47
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An engine conversion will be a very hard job, but the difference is at the end you'll have a reasonably quick car compared to an 18RG powered RA40 that will, well, still suck.
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sat, 07 August 2004 22:05
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Well that all depends on how confident you feel. In a celica I'd say it was reasonably straight forward especially with the amount of guides there are around.
I agree with others though that it would be a waste of time and money to work the 18RG. SSS Automotive in Sydney sell a complete 1GGTE package for $900; 140+ kW for $900 is a lot of bang for buck.
Search the forums and net for guides Steve. I wrote the first conversion guide and although that was about 6 years ago nothing much has changed. Others have wrote some even better guides since then.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sun, 08 August 2004 00:10
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| Grant wrote on Sun, 08 August 2004 08:05 |
Well that all depends on how confident you feel. In a celica I'd say it was reasonably straight forward especially with the amount of guides there are around.
I agree with others though that it would be a waste of time and money to work the 18RG. SSS Automotive in Sydney sell a complete 1GGTE package for $900; 140+ kW for $900 is a lot of bang for buck.
Search the forums and net for guides Steve. I wrote the first conversion guide and although that was about 6 years ago nothing much has changed. Others have wrote some even better guides since then.
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there ya go
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sun, 08 August 2004 02:52
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Yep, go the 1G route of engines Steve, much better performance, economy and reliability compared to an 18RG worked off it's nanas to get the same performance out of it. Given your age, driving experience, insurance woes, and costs, I'd recommend the 1GGE for you. When you decide you want more in a few years time, you can easily swap in a 1GGTE without hassles that way.
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New Zealand
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sun, 08 August 2004 10:02
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18rgeu.... + turbo...8 valves is where it's at. Traditional.
I'm going from 4age turbo to 3tc na 
each to their own though.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Sun, 08 August 2004 12:47
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I'm a big fan of the 18R-G, I think it's an underrated engine these days and it has heaps of potential if you're willing to put the work in. Having said that, the 1G is a far better bang-for-your-buck proposition, and probably easier in the long run as well. If you're new to the game, I'd recommend the 1G.
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 00:52
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My 1G engine package (no gear box totally standard engine ecu etc) cost $700 from SSS and is making 150rwkw. with just a simple bleed.
Sure you can get an 18rg to perform like that but it will cost you. If you spent the money needed to get an 18r to make that power and you could have a 200-250rwkw 1G.
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Northwestern Sydney
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August 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 03:47
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Hmmmm 1G or 18R-G now where have I come across that delema before... 
The 18R-GEU I have has had quite a few dollars spent on it (2-3 grand) and really needs to have an after market computer setup on it (more $$$) to see and real gains from where it is now. that being said it is a good engine but for me to go any further with it is rather pointless from a point of view of bang for buck. the next step for me (using the mechanical knowledge I've learnt from playing with the 18R-G) Is to go the 1G route. A personally I blame Gold28 for this change  .
But comparing My engine to say Gold28's It's chalk and cheese in nearly every respect.
I do however Agree with Norbie that the 18R-G is underrated and for me on P's (way back when) an 18R-G was a smart move from a insurance point of view.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 05:57
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Don't forget the 18R-GEU takes rather well to turbocharging, and if built well will blow a stock-turbo 1G into the weeds.
Where the hell is Witzl when you need him? Playing devil's advocate is no fun on your own!
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August 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 08:16
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I'm sure that some one will come out with one soon then eh Norbie? There are a few in the planning piplines I believe.
I believe the cost to turbo a stock 18r-g and installing a stock 1G would be roughly the same. depending on how much work you do yourself?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 11:22
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mmm nice smooth 6 cyclinder or a lumpy 4 
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August 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 11:51
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hmm a 16year old with a twin turbo engine, i would like to see the look of the insurence companies face bahahaha.
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 21:39
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 10 August 2004 15:57 |
Don't forget the 18R-GEU takes rather well to turbocharging, and if built well will blow a stock-turbo 1G into the weeds.
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This is starting to sound like the Sprinter/GTR discussion. 
I do agree, for the cost of putting in a 1G, you could put a turbo and ecu on an 18RGU and make the same power, assuming you already had the efi 18rg in the car. If you only had a carby motor, then I wouldn't even consider a turbo 18rg. Unless of coarse you wanted to get all nostalgic and persist with 1970's technology.
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 22:26
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why are 1gs so cheap now? i asked in april about a front cut and every one was asking for the 2k mark have they become un popular again?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 22:40
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arnt they still 2k?
generally it's hard to find a halfcut for less than that, it's kinda the cost of bringing it over and making some money.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 23:09
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| gold28 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2004 07:39 |
Unless of coarse you wanted to get all nostalgic and persist with 1970's technology.
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And who wouldn't?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 23:55
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halfcuts tend to go for a abit more than a engine package
1g 700+ for package
2000+ for front cut
1j 1500+ for package
2700+ for front cut
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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Perth, Western Australia
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June 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 11:24
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No Message Body
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Perth, Western Australia
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June 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 11:27
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Yes, it was a long time ago this thread was asked. And no, still havent got round to that conversion...just chuggin along ay
18rg will do till i get my p's
no twin turbo yet
but it will be done, anyone want involvement with a couple of stubbies on the house?
Im chasing a front cut i think in the end, it will be more efficient to complete the conversion, and allows you to sort the wiring harness and gives you all the optional extras you might need along the way, instead of requiring to run down to your local conventrys
anyway, lets crank up this thread..info would be great
Steve
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 11:51
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| TA-022 wrote on Tue, 22 February 2005 18:38 |
Package by your definitions include?
Motor Yes/No
ECU Yes/No
Loom Yes/No
GBox Yes/No/Sometimes
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 12:01
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mate drive on over!
ive got a spare room, drive thru garage and 4x5m pergola ready and waiting!
don't forget those cold ones eh?!
*looking at some further pics the drivers side piping is air intake - turbos yeah?
and passenger side just your intercooler to throttle/plenum piping.
so in theory a custom plenum and turbo intakes could eliminate stock piping over head?
dont mind it but for a finished build i'd want them pipes
GORNE!
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 12:09
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1g was never sold in aust.. 18r was and is a "cult" engine.. turbo manifolds ect ect exist
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 14:53
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Ha...anyone in perth..with lots of room and tools to play with? whos keen on a fast car and a couple o beers
make a weekend of it
lol
go in with an old 18rg
come out with a Twin turbo 1ggte...sik mate? a weekend well worth it
lol
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Perth
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August 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 15:03
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a weekend? baha
not unless you have alot of experienced people and everything prepared and ready
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Brisbane CBD
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September 2004
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 15:22
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i thought it was a law of physics that you cannot have everything you need for it in one place at one time its a space time thing 
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Perth, Western Australia
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June 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 15:32
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Yeh..something along those lines...dam the time space laws thingy
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Perth, WA
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December 2004
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 17:10
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i have no room, and im the only tool i know of, but ill give a hand if you need it, always had a love for old celicas
plus i can probably pinch the old engine when your not looking muahahha kidding
cheers,
Eldar.O.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 20:54
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 10 August 2004 15:57 |
Where the hell is Witzl when you need him? Playing devil's advocate is no fun on your own!
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dammit i take my sweet arse time dont i?
I am of the belief that there is way more potential in 18R-Gs than most people give them credit for. There are some absolutely nuts turbo 18RG engines in the states which shatter the would be dreams of just about any 1ggte. Of course they have had a lot of work.....
but realistically we are comparing apples and oranges. One is easy, bang for buck - the other is expensive and requires more effort.
and yes, there are one or two 18RG turbo engines in the making around here. They will be gun.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 21:09
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| THE WITZL wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 07:54 |
There are some absolutely nuts turbo 18RG engines in the states which shatter the would be dreams of just about any 1ggte. Of course they have had a lot of work.....
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and there are plenty of 'absolutely nuts 22R's in the states but you wouldnt dare wave that flag would you?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Tue, 22 February 2005 23:22
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Luke, when i say absolutely nuts, im talking like 10 second cars and 500hp++ engines.... there was some class of racing that there were turbo 18RG RA28's, class C or something?
and no i will never fly the 22r flag. They are teh ghey. They look like poo, the head design is bigger poo, they are the stoke master, and i dont like them. i like my cams in pairs thanks.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 01:12
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Didn't Toyota boot the 18R-G head in favour of a 16 valve one for all their racing endeavours???
Logically speaking then, 24 valves would be better again
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Perth,western australia
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December 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 01:37
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i am hoping to have a large shed soon,big engough for the 28 to be rebuilt with a monster 1ggze in it.
so when you get around to it steve ,if you bring beer and a lot of stock from super cheap to fill my shed with,ill happily help you build you car.
as for doing it in one weekend ,ask a certain mitch who is just getting his 23 finished to go over the pits with a 1ggze....
cheers,
Dom
(green 28 with lumpy 18rg)
slowly working my way up the chain 18rc , 2tgeu ,now 18rg , soon 1ggze...
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Perth,western australia
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December 2003
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 01:37
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i am hoping to have a large shed soon,big engough for the 28 to be rebuilt with a monster 1ggze in it.
so when you get around to it steve ,if you bring beer and a lot of stock from super cheap to fill my shed with,ill happily help you build you car.
as for doing it in one weekend ,ask a certain mitch who is just getting his 23 finished to go over the pits with a 1ggze....
cheers,
Dom
(green 28 with lumpy 18rg)
slowly working my way up the chain 18rc , 2tgeu ,now 18rg , soon 1ggze...
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 03:58
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That certain Mitch would happen to be me, and its 12 months and still going strong !
Thanks for reminding me about that mate !
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 07:44
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| CrAiGzEE wrote on Wed, 11 August 2004 09:55 |
halfcuts tend to go for a abit more than a engine package
1g 700+ for package
2000+ for front cut
1j 1500+ for package
2700+ for front cut
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how often do packages come up in comparisson to half cuts???
i am sort of begining to look for a 1ggte for my RA40
brett
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 08:40
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I have heard of some rather fast 22re packages in the states too..
doing 12's...
still makes me laugh.
remember the old saying
"you polish a turd, you end up with a shiny turd"
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 09:00
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The interesting thing about those very fast 22R's in the states is almost everything has been replaced. Forged pistons, custom rods, stroker crank, heavily ported 20R cylinder head... what's left of the 22R? Pretty much nothing but the block! That in itself is proof the base engine is no good for a performance application. It's also proof you can make anything fast with enough development.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 09:07
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Shhh NORBIE
/me goes back to stirring the pot.
and a 10second 18rg is just a stock 18rg with a big turbo?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 09:12
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Back to the original discussion.
I think the major thing which everyone has missed when considering the 18rg turbo'd or a 1g-gte.
with the 1g you end up with a silky smooth package that goes and can be easily driving in peak hour wihtout a hickup, idle like a dream etc etc.
18rgs are lumpy by comparison.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 09:30
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well no... but 10sec is a LOT faster than 12 sec!!!
anthony, from memory only the NA 18rg race engines used the 16V race head - those turbo ones i thought were still 8v.
one day luke, one day
p.s. wanna buy another bike??
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Wed, 23 February 2005 23:21
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Nup thoes sexy wide body schnitzer RA28's had 16valve turbo goodness in em.
Click here for more info.
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townsville NQLD
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February 2004
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 10:02
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that celica doesnt look that sexy in my opinion,
also gold28,
how do you make a hyperlink that doesnt have the link but has a word instead like "click me"
thanx
brett
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 10:17
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i love translated stuff
..a turbo KKK is added make it possible to draw the trifle from 560 horses...
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 11:25
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systran is your friend
google translations are sucky as!!
it might not look good by today's standards, but the regulations for racing back then and the styling of times dictated that look... and i dont mind it.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 12:38
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horn if you ask me.
horn if you don't.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 12:42
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oh gotta love the compression ratio though..
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 12:54
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call me old fashioned but im with norbie on this. 18RG efi intercooled turbo would blow away a ghey with aids 1G. Who wants a pissy bore 2.0L 6 when you can have a tried and proven (for the last 20 years) 2.0L 4?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Thu, 24 February 2005 22:40
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I would
But then again, if one of thoes 16valve 18r heads popped up, I might be tempted to use an 18rg, just for the nostalgia of it. 
Ohh and Brett, type what ever you want in teh message body, highlite the text you want displayed then hit the hyperlink button.
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Fri, 25 February 2005 01:35
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or you can be really tricky... and do this:
[url=http://www.website.here]Text you want here[/url]
Yes... its horn. That compression ratio is nutters too!! How short must those pistons have been!?!?
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Re: 1ggte, Or Tits the 18r-g?
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Fri, 25 February 2005 09:55
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Hi,
| gold28 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2005 09:40 |
But then again, if one of thoes 16valve 18r heads popped up, I might be tempted to use an 18rg, just for the nostalgia of it.
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Check Toysports, they've got some 153E and other 16v engines for sale from time to time.
I'd like one of those babies also. Not cheap, but hey, you're a man of the world, I'm sure you could afford it. And, buy me one too while you're at it
seeyuzz
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