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MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 15:00
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OK I finally got off my arse and uploaded the whole MA61 front-end upgrade saga. In a nutshell I fitted JZX81 coilover struts, camber plates, BA Falcon disc rotors, R33 Skyline calipers, and 17x8 +25 Skyline rims. It sounds pretty simple when you say it like that, but believe me it was anything but simple making it actually work. 
Clicky-clicky
So was it worth it? In a word, yes. The front end behaves far better when compared to the old setup (Kings springs and KYB shocks), and with 3 degrees of camber the mid-corner grip is amazing. The brakes have already copped a good hammering and I haven't been able to make them fade yet - even with a couple of hard stops from over 200km/h. Am I a happy camper? Happy, but poor as well.
Still to come is the rear 5-stud conversion so I can fit my 17x9 rims. I've already installed the MS123 Crown hubs on a spare set of trailing arms, and I've sent the discs to an engineering shop to be re-drilled. With any luck I'll have them back some time this week.
Oh, big thanks to John Duel from ImportBitz who did the R&D for the brake upgrade and helped me figure out how to make it work in a MA61. He also sourced some uber-cheap coilovers ex-Japan. Onya John. 
Now behold the bling!
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 15:48
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Very nice work as always Norbie!!
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Burlington, On. Canada
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January 2004
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 15:52
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Looking good Norbie. Good work.
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 20:51
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Good to see that it is sorted.
Can't wait to see the rears on and will happily partner R&D costs to do rear coilover ....
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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August 2004
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 20:52
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I
Want
Those
Rims...
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*drools*
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Sun, 13 February 2005 23:37
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Looks sweet man! Congratulations 
What rims you have on the rear at the moment?
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 00:11
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Are you going to get this engineered?
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Melbourne
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 00:27
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anyone tryed those calipers on an RA40 strut?
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Location:
Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 01:05
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yeah just looking for something to stick under the front of the ma45 thats cheap, easy and 5 stud friendly... otherwise its uzz31 rotors and calipers (to allow for JZA80 bolt on's later...)
Allan
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Adelaide
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 01:17
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| Allan wrote on Mon, 14 February 2005 10:57 |
anyone tryed those calipers on an RA40 strut?
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I used RA60 struts, and the caliper spacing is the same, but you get a bonus 2.5 degree neg camber for next to nix !!!
Dunno what the difference is between RA40 and RA60 is though
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 01:21
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hmmm will have to check that out
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 09:13
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Rear rims are currently the stock 14x7's. Yes it looks stupid.
I've already spoken to my engineer about this, and yes it will be fully certified and street-legal. This will be done as soon as the rear wheels are on.
bbaacchhyy, unforuntately there is a major difference between those struts. I put RA60 struts in my RA23 (essentially the same suspension as the RA40) and it was positive camber city. 
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 09:20
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its funny how easy it is to swap toyota stuff around isnt it
actually norbie i noticed you have a similar feature to me in terms of your castor plates. If you swap the plates from left to right you will gain more castor 
I did it with mine and got an extra deg.
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 09:28
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Yes I noticed that too, but because of the design of those plates I would have got less camber. Maximum camber was the idea so that's why I put them in that way!
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Adelaide
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Mon, 14 February 2005 20:35
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 14 February 2005 19:43 |
bbaacchhyy, unforuntately there is a major difference between those struts. I put RA60 struts in my RA23 (essentially the same suspension as the RA40) and it was positive camber city.
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So if you put MA61 struts in , it would be even worse ???
The RA60 units gave an EXTRA -2.5 degrees camber over the MA61 (Thanks to Ed_MA61 for that tip)
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 10:17
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** BUMP!! **
I have added part 3 to the saga; the MS123 hubs are installed and the 17x9 uber-dish rims are fitted. How does it look? In a word, PHAT.
Clicky-clicky
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 10:26
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That looks sweet man
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 10:42
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Is it really a smart idea to install bling when you arent going to clean it!
Looks PHAT...."with a ph!"
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 10:56
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Oi, those photos were taken just after I cleaned it!
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Malaysia,Kuala Lumpur
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July 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:12
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Superbly done norbie
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:48
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soooo hows it handle/stop?? vid's and pics bitch!!!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 12:00
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I dont see any mention of a small stuff up that was made and then quickly rectified 
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 12:34
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How/where did you score R33 GTST calipers for $220? Best I've found is $350
If you have any contacts please help me out!
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 12:36
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Allan: handles and stops brilliantly, massive improvement over the stock setup. It would want to be after all the money I've spent though! Vids will be forthcoming when I take it to Qld Raceway for a few laps, hopefully in the not too distant future.
Shane: I was trying to keep my stupidity under wraps. 
joorsh: I got the contact details here on ToyMods, can't remember where from exactly but if you do a search you might have better luck than me finding it.
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 12:38
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yeah those rear brakes have great stoping power mid intersection
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Brisbane
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 12:47
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Actually I think Shane was talking about another shameful incident. The "brake-a-matic" thing happened later.
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Burlington, On. Canada
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 20:49
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Sweet!
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Adelaide
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 21:10
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 23:06 |
joorsh: I got the contact details here on ToyMods, can't remember where from exactly but if you do a search you might have better luck than me finding it.
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Josh,
Look for it in my BBK thread, it is in there and it is a place in Sydney too.
Norbs,
Good to hear, but I can't see the pics as work as banned the site  Oh, and what stupidity.....
Cheers
Michael B
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 23 February 2005 23:45
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Nice work!
Looks like the hard work (and moneys) has paid off bigtime
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New Zealand
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Thu, 24 February 2005 00:45
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There is some annoying stuff trying to download itself from that link Norbie, might want to have a look at it.
Callum
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Thu, 24 February 2005 02:58
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There's nothing wrong with that link, it's a straight html page hosted on an Optus server. Maybe you should check your PC for trojans?
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Thu, 24 February 2005 03:52
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Working fine for me - sounds like someone needs to do a virus scan!!
www.trendmicro.com.au <-- free online virus scanning right there.
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Burlington, On. Canada
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January 2004
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Thu, 24 February 2005 04:22
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Norbie, what offset are the rear 17x9 wheels?
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Brisbane
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Thu, 24 February 2005 04:55
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All of them are +25mm. Clearance is a bit tight on the rear wheels (closest part is the trailing arm) but as stated there is no scraping even at maximum squat. Front wheels wouldn't have a chance of fitting with the MA61 struts, but with the JZX81 setup it just squeezes in.
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Burlington, On. Canada
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January 2004
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Brisbane
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November 2002
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 02 March 2005 10:41
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Vids will be forthcoming when I take it to Qld Raceway for a few laps, hopefully in the not too distant future.
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You're out of excuses now, bitch
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 02 March 2005 13:55
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Wrong, I have a new excuse!
John Duel is currently bidding on a Getrag for me. If he's able to land it within my budget, it's 6-speed time for me! 
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: MA61 brake/suspension/wheel upgrade - pics!
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Wed, 02 March 2005 20:36
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 00:25 |
Wrong, I have a new excuse!
John Duel is currently bidding on a Getrag for me. If he's able to land it within my budget, it's 6-speed time for me!
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Go Norbie Go !!!!!
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