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New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 09:32
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I have asked a more knowlegeable friend to build me a PC for sub $2500 budget, with my only criteria being AMD64 with > 3500+, 1gb RAM, decent v.card less than $400, at least 160gb, DVD burner, at least 19" monitor (don't care about LCD vs. CRT). This is what he came up with, and the total price of assembly + warranty.
AMD Athlon™ 64 3500+ Processor Retail (939)
ASUS A8N-SLI nForce 4 SLI Socket 939 Motherboard
1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM Corsair twin pack (2X512MB )
Seagate Serial ATA NCQ 200GB 7200RPM 8mb Cache
Asus Extreme EN6600GT-TD-128 PCI Express TV DVI
LG T910B 19 inch Flat CRT Monitor
Pioneer DVR-109BK 16X DVD-/+R/RW Dual Layer (OEM, Black)(w/no software)
Antec Plus 1080AMG Case with 430W PSU
Logitech Cordless Desktop Black Keyboard & Mouse LX700
$2308
Any people who know more about me about the quality of these components have any opinions on the system above?
Cheers, Matt
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I supported Toymods
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sydney.au
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 09:42
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AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor Retail (939)
awesome chip!
ASUS A8N-SLI nForce 4 SLI Socket 939 Motherboard
asus is a top quality board! and this has SLi if you wanna go nuts with 2 video cards
1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM Corsair twin pack (2X512MB )
corsair = quality
Seagate Serial ATA NCQ 200GB 7200RPM 8mb Cache
nice and quick!
Asus Extreme EN6600GT-TD-128 PCI Express TV DVI
im not sur about this one. buts its new and should rock the new games !
LG T910B 19 inch Flat CRT Monitor
very nice. LG = Best
Pioneer DVR-109BK 16X DVD-/+R/RW Dual Layer (OEM, Black)(w/no software)
buy or download NERO 6 and youll be right
Antec Plus 1080AMG Case with 430W PSU
VERY good PSU. i have one~
Logitech Cordless Desktop Black Keyboard & Mouse LX700
also got these too. mouse is simply awesome
$2308
good price!
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Location:
Ipswich
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October 2003
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 09:44
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Excellent, just what I wanted to hear 
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 09:46
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Can u friend build me the computer aswell? hehe. Thats is a awesome computer ur mate is building for u.
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Ipswich
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October 2003
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 09:59
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That price is straight of www.umart.com.au, best prices i've seen on the net.
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Sydney
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 12:13
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I'd reccommend getting 2HDDs and RAIDing them up.
I've just done this on my box and its MUCH faster. Faster loading games, sorting porn, etc.
2 x 120gig HDDs instead of 1 x 200gig.
The rest sounds like a good fun games box.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 12:52
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check prices with http://www.msy.com.au if its cheaper its a good deal!
i got the FX6600GT, and it rocks doom3 on high on a amd 2600xp
also clocked up 7100 on 3dmark where as a 5900xt got 5100 and x800 (or 9800) on a amd64 3000+ got 8000
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Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2003
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Sydney
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 15:12
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upgrade the heatsink and fan on the cpu as a must
also add another two case fans one suck cold air in and blow it onto the cpu and another on top to blow out the hot air
this will give you peace of mind that your mobo is running nice and cool on those hot summer days w/o a/c
also consider a second burner that only burns cd's and a dvd rom drive
use the dvd rom drive to read the dvd or cd you want to copy on the fly and use either the cd or dvd burner depending upon the format
will give you reliability by using each for their own purpose
all above should cost approx ~$100 more than quoted thus far
if your mate can find them get the 8mb cache cd and dvd drives
also its worth spending ~$10 on average on each seperate item to get one that comes with 3 5 or a lifetime warranty
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 16:14
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| matt_84 wrote on Sat, 05 March 2005 19:59 |
That price is straight of www.umart.com.au, best prices i've seen on the net.
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even we buy from the mta work - shithouse customer service bu their online pricesa are hard to beat.
if you want customer service and have no idea abou computers then avoid these guys - but if you're shopping for specific stuff and will do the hard yrds yoruself- these guys (umart) are hard to beat - note: they have a % on credit card buys - cash is good for these folks.
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Sat, 05 March 2005 23:09
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| rthy wrote on Sat, 05 March 2005 23:52 |
i got the FX6600GT, and it rocks doom3
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It was made with the Doom3 team. But the problem with this card is that the drivers don't agree with HL2 so you'll be running round at over 100fps then all of a sudden you'll have 30fps. This is even if your running two of them in SLI! Check the forums about it.
I play HL2 occasionally. I only play the DM servers (sometimes TDM) and my nick is "ShaiTan". I always win, and give shit to everyone else. Its my way to vent.
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
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September 2002
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 23:45
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matt: do some research www.staticice.com.au on your parts
you will find cheaper
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 03:17
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| SupraPete wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 10:09 |
| rthy wrote on Sat, 05 March 2005 23:52 |
i got the FX6600GT, and it rocks doom3
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It was made with the Doom3 team. But the problem with this card is that the drivers don't agree with HL2 so you'll be running round at over 100fps then all of a sudden you'll have 30fps. This is even if your running two of them in SLI! Check the forums about it.
I play HL2 occasionally. I only play the DM servers (sometimes TDM) and my nick is "ShaiTan". I always win, and give shit to everyone else. Its my way to vent.
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never had problems with it hl2 
normaly play css on that swiftel but now they stop doing the rank thing so dont play it anymore
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 03:34
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| Conquest wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 02:00 |
Ah well, still plays most games pretty well And the point of this post... Just wondering if anyone is on HL2:DM or CS:Source? What's your gamer tag & what servers do you visit?
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CS:S - swiftel syd, swiftel bris, optusnet (optus only server), internode #1 + #5
handle: _motegi.45
game on bitches!
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 05:19
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AMD Athlon™ 64 3500+ Processor Retail (939)
ASUS A8N-SLI nForce 4 SLI Socket 939 Motherboard
1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM Corsair twin pack (2X512MB )
Seagate Serial ATA NCQ 200GB 7200RPM 8mb Cache
Asus Extreme EN6600GT-TD-128 PCI Express TV DVI
LG T910B 19 inch Flat CRT Monitor
Pioneer DVR-109BK 16X DVD-/+R/RW Dual Layer (OEM, Black)(w/no software)
Antec Plus 1080AMG Case with 430W PSU
Logitech Cordless Desktop Black Keyboard & Mouse LX700
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CPU: Good. If you like spending $93 more than a 3200+ CPU.
Motherboard: good
RAM: OK, if the athlon64 on that board supported DDR2. Do some more research.
HDD: I'd personally RAID 2x 120GB (like I am now), but the NCQ should be an OK drive. Actually, if your friend suggested DDR2 RAM, I'd just stick with the one HDD.
Video card: I'd look at this instead: http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_show.php?art_no=vi ALx_6600_gtv_vivo VIVO man! That's the card I'm looking at.
Monitor: LG is complete crap. I'd look at a 17" LCD screen personally. Or just another brand of CRT.
DVD burner: Good. I'd also buy another plain old DVD reader drive as well ~$40.
Case: OK. But if you want THE shit, get a TT shark like I have. It's not that much more, and whatever case you get, you'll need to buy an EPS powersupply for the motherboard anyway as it's got a 24pin header, not a standard 20pin power header. Smack your friend up about that one too. Tell him to get an antec or topower and not a craparse codegen.
Keyboard/mouse: Whatever rocks your boat. Personally I really CBF'd with cordless devices and having to replace/recharge (batteries) the bastards all the time.
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NSW, Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 06:16
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www.msy.com.au
dodgiest website ever, good prices.
www.itrite.com.au
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 08:05
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itrite is now www.custo.com.au
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Ipswich
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 08:17
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I'll find out more about the ddr2/ddr ram issue, but is there a great disadvantage/loss of functionality from using a 24 pin -> 20 pin connector?, instead of swapping from the given power supply to an eps one?
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 09:15
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i just built similer for my brother a few months back with the earlyer via chipset version of that board it rocks so damn quick! shame xp64 isnt great yet but xp pro on raid is still nice...
sucks tho im the geek IT guy still usen a p3 550 over clocked to 733 
i do suggest plenty of cooling if you plan to over clock
this is ok for now but going for a water cooling setup in the future
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 09:17
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pete is a robert jordan geek!
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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Sun, 06 March 2005 11:00
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wats the deal with the 120mm fans 
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 11:01
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quiter and i got them free
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 12:47
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| matt_84 wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 18:17 |
I'll find out more about the ddr2/ddr ram issue, but is there a great disadvantage/loss of functionality from using a 24 pin -> 20 pin connector?, instead of swapping from the given power supply to an eps one?
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Ah crap, here I go forgetting things. The adapter should work ok. 
As for the RAM, it will take DDR(1) only, no two ways about it. The memory controller is built into the A64 chip, and the board sockets themselves only accept DDR(1).
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Ipswich
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October 2003
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 14:08
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lian li are the best cases
bar none
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 17:55
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What's better AGP or PCI graphics cards?
I noticed there are lots of PCI cards. I thought AGP was faster. I still have a Ti4600 128mb.
I'm also trying to work out how to Raid. I have Highpoint built into my Epox motherboard. My computer is over a year old, but it's very fast and well looked after. 2.6 Intel P4, 512mb Ram (which i also have to work out what type it is so i can slide in another 512mb).
I'm not up to date with all the new chipsets and new motherboards.
I'm also trying to find a Sound card that will send a clear signal to a receiver for my Home Theatre PC setup. I have a nice projector now. I need a soundcard that can do 5.1 or even 7.1. This would then send a digital signal to a receiver which would dishout phatt beats to my surround speaker setup. It would need to be able to handle THX, Dolby, DTS and all that.
I'd also like a graphics card that can run my monitor and projector at the same time on seperate outputs. This would allow operating indivdually (ie. if the projector is switched off, then i can still use the monitor [the projector has a passthrough]). But I play a lot of games so it would need to be good for that too! Then I could set different resolutions on each output.
Basically it's a HTPC, Projector, getting a bluetooth mouse and keyboard, have cable internet, cd/dvd burner. Used for watching DVDs, Divx, listening to MP3s, Digital TV tuner, bla bla.
I'm going to need to get a big fat HD now.
Any ideas?
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 02:39
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| draven wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 20:17 |
pete is a robert jordan geek!
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Was thinking about this for a little while then realised the reference.
Do a google search for "Shaitan". Whats the VERY FIRST thing it pulls up? (or go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shaitan) its not "just" from a book.
Must admit you look pretty geeky pointing it out 
When my Lebanese friend saw I was using that name he was really quite upset (he's christian) until I told him it was appropriate when I'm running around killing people. He agreed. If you've got someone that speaks arabic or something like that, ask them about it. They'll probably be upset that you even say the word out loud!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:20
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SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!
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November 2003
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:25
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we built a computer last year got parts from msy and some from altech, msy is bloody good
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 09:10
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http://www.thediscshop.com.au/index.cgi
the disc shop should be able to help you out, they always seem to have good deals.
anyways i wouldn't go with asus (personal preference, doesn't mean you have to) they are a reliable board but albatron always seem to make their boards better.
also good choice with the ram (can't go past corsair)
gonna need some serious cooling if you wanna overclock if so have you considered water cooling?
anyways go avi with the video card they also have some good cards.
also that seems to be a pretty good price for a computer that should stay up to date at least to the end of year.
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Perth, WA
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December 2004
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Tue, 08 March 2005 01:08
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| ae86drift wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 22:08 |
lian li are the best cases
bar none
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uglier than a horses anus...
id personally wait a while and get PCI-Express everything :/ if your gona be spending that much, you dont want it to be obsolete in a few weeks...(or months for that matter)
Eldar.O.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Tue, 08 March 2005 12:56
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| Allan wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 20:15 |
i just built similer for my brother a few months back with the earlyer via chipset version of that board it rocks so damn quick! shame xp64 isnt great yet but xp pro on raid is still nice...
sucks tho im the geek IT guy still usen a p3 550 over clocked to 733
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My 24 hour around the clock leeching comp is a p3 500 running standard speeds.
Board has 2 dead isa slots and 2 working pci slots. Also has a semi redundant ide channel 1. Other channel is utterly not accepting a slave drive for some wierd reason.
Setup is pretty cheap but still overpriced. I would not spend more than 1500 on a computer. Any videocard u get no returns and ever seems worthwhile. Especially for a game.
Seems like SLI pci express is the standard now. And sli running 2 high end cards is only for a serious enthusiast.
Raid is a more feasable option. Drives costing around 150 dollars and the security is another reason.
With those AMD chips u'd most likely wanna be spending almost 100 on a REAL cooling solution. AMD have never addressed their hot running cores. Maybe they're working in conjunction with cooltech or whatever. Waterchill/vaporchill is the way to go as most fans really don't do much but ventilate. But this isn't going to turn into a fully fledged debate about cpu cooling..
IMHO good setup.
CRT monitors are the shit for gaming.
But i think still overpriced.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 13:00
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| 4AGE wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 20:56 |
With those AMD chips u'd most likely wanna be spending almost 100 on a REAL cooling solution. AMD have never addressed their hot running cores.
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That is THE BIGGEST load of shit I've ever heard. Go compare an AMD64 to a P4 Prescott  AMD's of yore used to be hot, but that is far from the truth now.
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October 2003
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Wed, 09 March 2005 09:48
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OK, this is what I ended up getting;
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor (939)
ASUS A8N-SLI nForce 4 SLI Socket 939 Motherboard
1024MB TWINX-3200XL (400MHz) DDR RAM Corsair
Seagate Serial ATA NCQ 200GB 7200RPM 8mb Cache
Asus Extreme EN6600GT-TD-128 PCI Express TV DVI
LG T910B 19 inch Flat CRT Monitor
Pioneer DVR-109BK 16X DVD-/+R/RW Dual Layer
Antec Plus 1080AMG Case with 430W PSU
Logitech Cordless Desktop
$2234
We built it yesterday, and seems to be going well.
3dmark05 showed a score of 3307, does this seem right?
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Wed, 09 March 2005 10:45
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Can someone please explain why they are using PCI Express rather than AGP?
is AGP oldschool now?
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:16
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To put it simply, pcie is faster & newer than agp.
to put it not-so-simply:
Currunt AGP bus architecture at it's limit (AGP 8x) has a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 2 Gbps. This is basically as good as it's ever gunna get. Manufacturers have realised this, and to cope with the ever-increasing demand for more power, they developed PCIE. PCIE architecture uses lanes capable of about 264Mbps. Now currently, PCIE is up to 16 lane connections (PCIE 16x). This means a speed of about 4 Gbps - already twice as fast as AGP... and it's only in its infancy as a technology.
What's even cooler, is PCIE lets to do SLI mode for your video cards. That's basically where you chuck two video cards into your computer, and use them as one super-fat video card.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:38
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Something else worth noting - due to the design of the AMD64 3500+, DDR2 RAM is a bit of a waste. The RAM is nowhere near it's limit using DDR1, so upgrading to DDR2 when the RAM isn't the bottleneck is pointless. With intel chipsets it's a differenty story altogether, because the RAM actually IS a bottleneck for them.
If you are interested, I can build that system, exactly as you quoted it for $1726 ex tax, or $1898 inc. However, there are a number of things (like the RAM) that I would do slightly differently. I find the LG DVD burners provide better media compatability than the pioneer ones, and as a personal preference I like the super lanboy antec case & the creative keyboard/mouse combo - but that's just opinion. On the whole it looks like a very nice system.
PM me if you're interested in pc parts - I do this for a living. Bear in mind that because I deal with the international suppliers directly, my prices change from day to day due to exchange rates, availability, etc. It's usually only a few dollars difference though, and it's almost always a decrease in price rather than an increase.
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:39
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Cool thanks mate!
I'm assuming PCIE has a newer connection to the motherboard than a standard PCI slot?
So I'd need a new motherboard.
I'm also trying to work out what soundcard would work best with a 5.1 home theatre receiver. All i really need is a digital out or something like optical where the soundcard can do DTS, THX, Dolby and all that jazz.
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:46
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Yeah, You'll need a new mobo with pcie support to use pcie video cards. It looks pretty similar at first glance, but obviously there are differences. PCIE slots are backwards compatible though.
Careful with the optical & digital out thingy on some sound cards. Cards like the audigy 2 (ZS i think) have a "digital out" for dolby, thx, etc - however it only works with the audigy surround amp, which you have to buy separately. Ideally try and find a card with optical out and save yourself the hassle.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Fri, 11 March 2005 08:15
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 00:00 |
| 4AGE wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 20:56 |
With those AMD chips u'd most likely wanna be spending almost 100 on a REAL cooling solution. AMD have never addressed their hot running cores.
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That is THE BIGGEST load of shit I've ever heard. Go compare an AMD64 to a P4 Prescott AMD's of yore used to be hot, but that is far from the truth now.
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I"m running the 2nd generation prescott and its running at 45-46 degrees core temp. About 42 degrees northbridge temp. With case closed with one exhaust fan. Don't come saying its bullshit because u know AMD have had heat issues since baby jesus was born.
AMD 64's are running pretty cool. Considering its in a thermaltake case with aftermarket cooling. Pretty good considering its running 42 degrees. In a 200 dollar case and a 60 buck heatsink/fan. I'd agree with the original statements with the first presscots that ran 50- 60 degrees. But AMD have ALWAYS had heatissues. Until now i guess. Maybe i didn't reinforce the heat issue.
But i'd like to know what other people are getting on amd64's with standard cooling.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Fri, 11 March 2005 09:51
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| matt_84 wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 20:48 |
OK, this
3dmark05 showed a score of 3307, does this seem right?
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try 3dmark03
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Fri, 11 March 2005 22:42
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The scoring for 3dmark is changed dramatically. 3000 is still very good. But i heard a few glitches with it too.
I'm go back to the earlier 3dmark.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sat, 12 March 2005 00:27
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| 4AGE wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 19:15 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 00:00 |
| 4AGE wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 20:56 |
With those AMD chips u'd most likely wanna be spending almost 100 on a REAL cooling solution. AMD have never addressed their hot running cores.
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That is THE BIGGEST load of shit I've ever heard. Go compare an AMD64 to a P4 Prescott AMD's of yore used to be hot, but that is far from the truth now.
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I"m running the 2nd generation prescott and its running at 45-46 degrees core temp. About 42 degrees northbridge temp. With case closed with one exhaust fan. Don't come saying its bullshit because u know AMD have had heat issues since baby jesus was born.
AMD 64's are running pretty cool. Considering its in a thermaltake case with aftermarket cooling. Pretty good considering its running 42 degrees. In a 200 dollar case and a 60 buck heatsink/fan. I'd agree with the original statements with the first presscots that ran 50- 60 degrees. But AMD have ALWAYS had heatissues. Until now i guess. Maybe i didn't reinforce the heat issue.
But i'd like to know what other people are getting on amd64's with standard cooling.
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i ran a normal fan on a amd64 3200 and it went up to around 50ish as a standard
got a thermaltake polo? with the manual speed to around 70% (4500ish rpm) went to around 39
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 13 March 2005 11:46
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The older athlon XP chips were hot little bitches, especially the palominoes and thoroughbreds.
The Athlon 64's are a different story and run quite cool. Most of the ones we've built at work have used the stock standard heatsink and your generic case with an exhaust fan, and they'll run anywhere from 40-50 degrees depending upon ambient temperature.
My Athlon 64 3200 has a Zalman CNP7000 heatsink that I originally ran on my 1900 Palomino. At the moment the core temperature is at 43 degrees, with case temperature around 38. During gaming I'll turn on my case fans and it'll still stay quite close to the ambient temps. Definately a lot better than my old 1900 which could get upwards of 60 degrees in a big session.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Sun, 13 March 2005 23:35
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You guys do know most athalon chips can go up to 90 degrees without causing any problems?
Check what your CPU alarm is set at in your bios.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Tue, 15 March 2005 01:21
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90 degrees used to be the point of cpu meltdown. But i'm not sure about the athlons. I had one that was running on 65 degrees no problem since 2000. Never opened. But as the same thing goes. The cooler the air/temp. The faster it goes. Electronic componentry always lasts that big longer if its not cooked or hard pressed.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Tue, 15 March 2005 02:02
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| 4AGE wrote on Tue, 15 March 2005 12:21 |
The cooler the air/temp. The faster it goes. Electronic componentry always lasts that big longer if its not cooked or hard pressed.
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Complete BS. If you've got a system like the first poster said (ie. NOT overclocked) then having a big fan and noisy PC isn't going to make it faster. Its like putting a cat-back exhaust on a car - its just excess noise.
My PC at home, which is mildly overclocked (1800+ running at 1800mhz) generally runs at 85 degrees, and has been for a few years now. The alarm on the bios is 90 or 95 degrees and it never goes off.
As for stuff lasting longer if they're not cooked, how much life do you WANT out of computer components? They generally need upgrading ever 3-4 years anyway. I've never had a chip that needed replacing through overheating.
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Re: New PC: OK?
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Tue, 15 March 2005 02:20
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| 4AGE wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 16:15 |
AMD 64's are running pretty cool. Considering its in a thermaltake case with aftermarket cooling. Pretty good considering its running 42 degrees. In a 200 dollar case and a 60 buck heatsink/fan. I'd agree with the original statements with the first presscots that ran 50- 60 degrees. But AMD have ALWAYS had heatissues. Until now i guess. Maybe i didn't reinforce the heat issue.
But i'd like to know what other people are getting on amd64's with standard cooling.
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You're still talking out your ass. I'd never doubt they have had cooling issues in the past, but just like that word, they're in the past. I wouldn't call anything with a Barton core or later having heat problems. The biggest problem with them is the problem of transferring the heat from that little CPU core without a heatspreader.
For reference, I have a XP 2600+ sitting in a desktop case with a Zalman 7000ACu fan on 5V, a 60mm exhaust fan on 5V, a Zalman PSU which is barely inaudible (i.e. right throttled back), in a VCR enclosure which amplifies everything heatwise. It will happily sit on 65 degrees on full load for as long as you want and then drop back to the low 50's on idle. Sure it's a decent cooler, but that is a terrible place to have one in terms of airflow and it's still not hot.
The last Prescott I built wanted to throttle it's CPU fan up constantly, was a PITA.
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