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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 00:14
 
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Raj,
I measured the difference between the MS65 and Z31T by comparing the distance to the rear bearing face.
I would prefer to mount the disc on the rear, as it then becomes easier to make the wheels hub-centric (although this can be argued as not relevant).
For those that want to mount the disc on the front, Holden Commodore rotots have a similar offset to what you mention, and have diameters in the 280 to 330 range.
Either way, it is another alternative to MS65 hubs to get the 5 stud pattern for the fronts.
Over here, wheels in the +6 offset range are easy to get, as early Falcons have that offset so they are very plentiful
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 08:43
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 08:14 |
I would prefer to mount the disc on the rear, as it then becomes easier to make the wheels hub-centric (although this can be argued as not relevant).
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Not relevant yes, illegal yes, annoying VERY yes.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 08:55
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 19:13 |
| bbaacchhyy wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 08:14 |
I would prefer to mount the disc on the rear, as it then becomes easier to make the wheels hub-centric (although this can be argued as not relevant).
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Not relevant yes, illegal yes, annoying VERY yes.
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What do you mean by annoying ? Difficult to make hubcentric with fitting the disc on the front ?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 08:56
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 16:55 |
What do you mean by annoying ? Difficult to make hubcentric with fitting the disc on the front ?
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Yes.
There is only 9mm of hubcentricness on the hub.
Pop an 8mm disc on there, and you get 1mm of hubcentricness.
You need to machine the hub, and put a collar on it.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 08:57
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The hub-centric part of the hub is right on the mounting face, once you have an 8mm spacer there, there is basically none of it left, so I have to get the top part (which is tapered) machined down then another ring made up.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 09:01
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Thought that is what it was. Hence mounting the disc on the back 
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 10:38
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| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 19:56 |
... only 9mm of hubcentricness on the hub.
Pop an 8mm disc on there, and you get 1mm of hubcentricness.
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So, basically, you're huncetrisising it? 
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 February 2005 20:48
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 03 February 2005 03:43 |
Not relevant yes, illegal yes, annoying VERY yes.
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In some ways you guys are lucky living on that side of the pond, but in others we are.
We don't have all these stringent rules to follow.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Fri, 04 February 2005 00:53
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| rsdeo wrote on Fri, 04 February 2005 04:48 |
In some ways you guys are lucky living on that side of the pond, but in others we are.
We don't have all these stringent rules to follow.
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But because of these lack of 'rules' you guys have EXTREMELY HIGH insurance prices.
I'd rather pay a $1000 or so to get everything legal upfront, than pay an extra $1000 every year for fully comprehensive insurance.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Sat, 26 February 2005 22:52
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i love MA61's
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Mon, 28 February 2005 21:04
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Interesting find there Raj.
So some of the later Z31T hubs are the same as the Z32 ? And still share the same bearings as the MA61/Z31 ?
Good to see that there is another option, as MS65 hubs are getting a bit hard to find over here
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 00:21
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i still cant believe i started all of this, and have since produced a world wide demand, and conseqent global shortage of ms65 front hubs!! 
amazing
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 02:33
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 28 February 2005 16:04 |
So some of the later Z31T hubs are the same as the Z32 ? And still share the same bearings as the MA61/Z31 ?
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The later Z31 hubs are different from the Z32 hubs and can not be interchanged. What is similar to both are the dimensions for the disc mounting portions of the hubs. Once a Z32 disc is mounted to a later Z31 hub a 10mm spacer is still needed to bring the Z32 caliper out 10mm in order to go over the disc.
I have a disc that may work without the 10mm spacer for the caliper. Only problem is that it is 8mm too large in diameter. So needs to be cut down to 280mm. This mat throw the disc balancing off.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 02:49
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| rsdeo wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 13:03 |
| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 28 February 2005 16:04 |
So some of the later Z31T hubs are the same as the Z32 ? And still share the same bearings as the MA61/Z31 ?
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The later Z31 hubs are different from the Z32 hubs and can not be interchanged. What is similar to both are the dimensions for the disc mounting portions of the hubs. Once a Z32 disc is mounted to a later Z31 hub a 10mm spacer is still needed to bring the Z32 caliper out 10mm in order to go over the disc.
I have a disc that may work without the 10mm spacer for the caliper. Only problem is that it is 8mm too large in diameter. So needs to be cut down to 280mm. This mat throw the disc balancing off.
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Get the R33 calipers. Problem solved. 
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 07:43
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on a totally unrelated, yet sort of related note -
i sold the ma61 and bought the extra chunky ma70 (7mgte) recently which will arrive here for me in two weeks.
need to know whats the hub dimensions on this so i can go out and get some new rims and change the shitty stockers off it quick smart!
is it 5x114.3? and whats the offset?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 08:30
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Yes 5x114.3, and the offset is something like +40 I think?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 11:46
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mine are +35's and need 6mm spacers so min. would be +40 i'd say
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 12:39
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so id be safe with 38 offset wheels yeah?
8.5" will fit fine or too big?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 13:06
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 28 February 2005 21:49 |
Get the R33 calipers. Problem solved.
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Unfortunately R33 calipers are not readily available in North America.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 20:58
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 19:00 |
Yes 5x114.3, and the offset is something like +40 I think?
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Almost right. +37
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 01 March 2005 21:06
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| rsdeo wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 23:36 |
| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 28 February 2005 21:49 |
Get the R33 calipers. Problem solved.
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Unfortunately R33 calipers are not readily available in North America.
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I know, hence the smiley face. Can easily get some here and post them though (the postage would hurt a little).
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 00:01
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 16:06 |
I know, hence the smiley face. Can easily get some here and post them though (the postage would hurt a little).
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Trying to stick with parts readily available in North America. Problems arise later when new seal kits are needed or a replacement core is needed. If anyone enquires about them I will refer them to you.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 00:55
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| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 10:01 |
Trying to stick with parts readily available in North America. Problems arise later when new seal kits are needed or a replacement core is needed. If anyone enquires about them I will refer them to you.
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I'm pretty sure the R32/Z32 rebuild kit will work for the R33 caliper. I had R32 and R33 calipers side by side and the only visible difference between them was the location of the mounting points.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 01:31
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 11:25 |
| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 10:01 |
Trying to stick with parts readily available in North America. Problems arise later when new seal kits are needed or a replacement core is needed. If anyone enquires about them I will refer them to you.
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I'm pretty sure the R32/Z32 rebuild kit will work for the R33 caliper. I had R32 and R33 calipers side by side and the only visible difference between them was the location of the mounting points.
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Yep. They are the same.
But Raj, as much as R33 stuff isn't readily available in the States, the 5 bolt Starion stuff is non-existant here, and the 4 bolt stuff is rarer than Mk2 Supra stuff !!!!!
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 02:45
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| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 11:53 |
This bites. MK2 Supra ownership really has to be a passion.
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Or a sickness. I'm up to my 3rd one now! I don't even want to know how many tens of thousands of dollars I've spent on them...
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 02:58
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 20:31 |
But Raj, as much as R33 stuff isn't readily available in the States, the 5 bolt Starion stuff is non-existant here, and the 4 bolt stuff is rarer than Mk2 Supra stuff !!!!!
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I understand the delema. No Starions were ever sold in Canada, though there was one late model Starion in town in the late '80s. Mitsubishi themselves just started selling cars here after 2000.
A little help for you guys to source parts from North America. It is easier for anyone with this link to get parts from North America.
http://www.car-part.com/
I bought my late model Z31 hubs from a wrecker on this site. Shipping was very fast and had the parts in less than a week of them receiving my payment. Don't know how all of them are though.
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 21:45 |
| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 11:53 |
This bites. MK2 Supra ownership really has to be a passion.
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Or a sickness. I'm up to my 3rd one now! I don't even want to know how many tens of thousands of dollars I've spent on them...
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Three myself.... fourth someday?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 03:22
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| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 13:28 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 21:45 |
| rsdeo wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 11:53 |
This bites. MK2 Supra ownership really has to be a passion.
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Or a sickness. I'm up to my 3rd one now! I don't even want to know how many tens of thousands of dollars I've spent on them...
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Three myself.... fourth someday?
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I'm on my first, and I hope it stays that way. Certainly can't afford any more......
Interesting thing is that both Norb's and another MA61 (local Adelaide one) met grief in the from of a Camry.....
Might have to stay away from them 
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 10:39
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can you not use Z32 calipers? they're a US domestic aren't they?
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 02 March 2005 13:54
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The R32/Z32 caliper has different mounting points to the R33, which you'll realise if you trawl through this (now enormous) thread. This is the whole problem for our North American friends.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:28
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| rsdeo wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 05:39 |
It is great we can rely on each other to send parts across that vast ocean if they are needed. You Australians have a slight advantage over us with http://www.car-part.com/ . There is no equivelent Australian site.
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You mean like this?
http://www.partslocator.com.au/
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 March 2005 11:58
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 00:54 |
The R32/Z32 caliper has different mounting points to the R33, which you'll realise if you trawl through this (now enormous) thread. This is the whole problem for our North American friends.
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what i mean is to use 300zx brakes, i have and they are internally no different. I have an R33 skyline also and i didn't know their callipers were not interchangeable? the Z32 ones i have on my celica are cast alloy and look physically smaller, at least finer, but the pads are identical.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Thu, 03 March 2005 20:43
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| rokusan wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 22:28 |
| Norbie wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 00:54 |
The R32/Z32 caliper has different mounting points to the R33, which you'll realise if you trawl through this (now enormous) thread. This is the whole problem for our North American friends.
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what i mean is to use 300zx brakes, i have and they are internally no different. I have an R33 skyline also and i didn't know their callipers were not interchangeable? the Z32 ones i have on my celica are cast alloy and look physically smaller, at least finer, but the pads are identical.
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R33 has 296mm dia brakes, whereas the 300ZX/R32's have 280mm dia. Apart from the mounting points on the R33 caliper, yes , everything else is the same.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 09 March 2005 20:48
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Hmmmm, they look nice.
What dimensions - width and diameter ?
Dare I ask how much ?
Cheers
Michael B
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 09 March 2005 21:02
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MMmmmmmm they is berry sexy.
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Burlington, On. Canada
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TX, USA
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January 2004
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Mon, 12 September 2005 22:23
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So the MPV rotors worked for you. Did the calipers require any spacers. With the Q45 calipers, I needed to put a single spacer about the thickness of one washer. How much more machining did the Z31 hubs require. Starion hubs just needed the angle cut to match on the centrebore of the rotor.
P types have soo much more room for the tire up front compared to L types 
My L type:
(205/55-16 16x7 +18)
(225/50-16 16x8 +18)
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