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Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 05:30
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The engine that I just picked up is missing the sandwich plate for the oil cooler. My question is, do you really need the cooler in the 86kw 4age? I have the cooler but no lines and sandwich plate.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 07:09
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no its not vital
ae86's make do without one
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 07:54
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all ae92/ae93s (100kw) have them
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Toymods Social Secretary
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July 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 09:02
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its not necessary, but its also not a bad idea to chuck it on anyway.
If you already have the cooler and the sandwich plate, the oil cooler lines only cost around $5-10p/metre at Supercheap, and with some hose clamps you have yourself an oil cooler 
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Location:
Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 13:41
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My ae92 corolla csi (read: 4a-fe) has a stock oil cooler.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 14:06
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can u use a oil catch can and oil cooler on the same pipes? like from the oil cooler to oil catch can?
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Sat, 12 March 2005 14:13
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 14:23
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| rthy wrote on Sun, 13 March 2005 01:06 |
can u use a oil catch can and oil cooler on the same pipes? like from the oil cooler to oil catch can?
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A catch can is for seperating oil from the air in your PCV line.
Unless you really want to remove all of the oil from your oil lines it probably isn't the best idea to put a catch can on it.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 12 March 2005 14:23
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wat about oil cooler to oil cooler?
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Location:
Lara, Vic
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February 2005
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 03:00
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Where is the best place to look for the sandwich plate as I am missing that. I have the oil cooler.
Thanks
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 07:38
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a wrecker, same place you look for any part.
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Melbourne, Australia
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March 2005
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 08:00
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Whats the benefits of an oil cooler?
My car runs a bit warm in hotter temps (>26c) and wondering if it's worth the effort.
Will it make the engine run a little cooler?
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 08:08
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its doubtful.
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 08:14
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| jese1218 wrote on Sun, 13 March 2005 18:00 |
Whats the benefits of an oil cooler?
My car runs a bit warm in hotter temps (>26c) and wondering if it's worth the effort.
Will it make the engine run a little cooler?
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From what i understand it helps keep the oil at a more constant temperature(when used with a thermostat block?) which increases your engines life due to the oil's properties not going out the window due to it being warm enough to flash fry a cow in 
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 13:41
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| jese1218 wrote on Sun, 13 March 2005 18:00 |
My car runs a bit warm in hotter temps (>26c) and wondering if it's worth the effort.
Will it make the engine run a little cooler?
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I have read of people acheiving lower engine (read: water) temps from adding an oil cooler. Treat it like an added bonus though, there are better ways to stop overheating engines.
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 23:17
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monkeymajik - Got a few other ideas on that topic to avoid cars overheating?
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sun, 13 March 2005 23:36
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thats easy, have a air splitter, ducting, remove your air con condensor, cut holes in your bumper and get a good late model radiator that takes up all the available space. I am running a Hyundai one on my sprinter without the fans hooked up and I have ran it like that for atleast half a year. Only once did it get a bit warm without the fan(s), I was stuck in traffic for a few minutes on a 35 degree day.
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 09:49
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bit risky not running a fan dont you think?
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:12
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you would think so yeah but I keep an eye on the temps and it takes unusually long to heat up. If I was one to get stuck in the city in slow moving traffic or something for a while it would be mechanical suicide, but I don't do that and I havent overheated it once. I took the larger fan off but I do plan on hooking up the small air con fan up as a just incase measure. I have to say though the main reson why I havent bothered too much is because I havent done my engine conversion yet and I consider my engine fairly disposable, once I put my 20V engine in I will make sure I have something.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:24
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takes a while to heat up? no thermostat?
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:39
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no no, my fault I mean it takes a while to get hot, my engine gets up to tempreture amazingly quick, even quicker than my corolla I had with a brand new thermostat with the same model engine. But to go from a quarter to three quarters would probably take many minutes in one spot.
As for the oil cooler I have been told that the standard 4age one is a pile of crap, what do people think about this?
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:43
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well i figure its better than none, i mean the ge gets one but the gze doesnt. so when i converted my Z to a T i got one. dunno how much it does. but im of the understanding that a thermostatically controlled one is better, because oil is designed to be hot, so you want it to warm up to the correct temp, a normal bypass cooler doesnt do that, so could POTENTIALLY be too cold.
i wonder why the gze didnt get one? its not like there was less room for it.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:49
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your very right its a very odd situation, so wheres this electronic control and how do I get one?
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 10:58
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not electronically controlled, its just the complete setup from a 4age, the sandwhich plate that the oil feeds from has a wax type thermostat im led to believe.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 11:05
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the 4age sandwich plate i had was a factory toyota item and had a built in thermo stat. a lot of aftermarket rbands dont have one.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Mon, 14 March 2005 11:23
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yeah I was told that they had something built into them but they just seemed too small for it. I have one on my factory 20V. I have been told however that they can get a fatuged spring or something that causes a loss in oil pressure, ever heard of that one guys?
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Tue, 15 March 2005 06:26
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i thought the only oil that went through the cooler was the excess oil pressure bled from the relief valve. but having said that, since i went turbo ive have lost a bit of oil pressure which has concerned me from the begining. i didnt know if it were due to the turbo requiring oil feed, my oil pump on its way out, or maybe even what you say.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Tue, 15 March 2005 06:41
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If you have a turbo I wouldnt worry about a thermostat in the oil loop, the oil will heat up quick enough full flow or not. Wouldnt think a themostat in the sandwich plate would be crucial in our climate anyway (excluding a few very cold parts of aus).
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Wed, 16 March 2005 06:35
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but how can you run the factory oil cooler without it? cause afaik its just a bypass cooler. so i spose that wouldnt cause my oil pressure problems anyway if thats true...
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Wed, 16 March 2005 10:14
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hey i got a 100kw 4age and no oil cooler  whats goin on? theres no lines on the sump for a cooler, was it only specific models that had the cooler?
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Wed, 16 March 2005 11:36
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if the thermal regulation was up the creek it is in theory possible for it to pass more oil through the cooler than what it's meant to, too much and it should drop the oil pressure.
Also what type of line do I ask for to run to my oil cooler?
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Location:
Gosford
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January 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Wed, 16 March 2005 23:56
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I thought all jap spec motors 4ages had no oil coiler and no provision for it. They put them an the aus spec stuff because it gets so much hotter here than in Japan.
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Location:
Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Thu, 17 March 2005 03:24
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that would make sense then, it is a jdm motor
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Thu, 17 March 2005 05:56
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but i didnt think the thermostat regulated the pressure, i thought it only receieved the 'relieved' pressure from the oil filter? but i dont know any think forsure, im only going by what others have said. might be worth while to change it and see what happens.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Fri, 18 March 2005 13:19
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what I meant is that if it wasn't doing it's job right then it won't just releive excess pressure but it will let too much through and hence drop the total oil pressure.
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Do you need an oil cooler on a 4AGE??
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Sat, 19 March 2005 02:09
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yeah what im saying is, it doesnt regulate or relieve oil pressure, i was under the impression it 'recieved' excess oil from the oil filter or regulating valve already part of the engine, the thermo has no pressure control as its after the pressure has been controled, if you understand what im saying 
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