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RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 02:57
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thinking of making an ra60 or ra65 into a drifter, has anyone here actually done this already or know of it being done? I was inspired the other day when my mate got me to drive his ra60 home and i was amazed at it's ability to go sidways but stay undercontrol (most of the time  ) it was stock too btw ie. massive body roll 
Im imagining that with a decsent suspension set up and wheels + a supra lsd it would go well, (not to mention an engine swap, but not sure what? thinking sr20 as most toyota 4s are fwd and require work to convert.
The only thing which troubles me is the lack of people who have ever drifted an ra60??? there is most likely a good reason why but im not sure what it is yet...
what does everyone think? im liking the idea of turning up to a drift day in a car nobody has!
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:32
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:34
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I wouldn't talk about drift on this forum dude.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:40
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the ra65 (with irs) is a *very* easy car to control while assorted wheels are sliding. it just needs a fraction more weight i nthe back to be a perfectly balanced car, so it would probably be a good car to drift. Of corse, I think drift is pretty silly, and would never waste a perfectly good 1g-gte candidate on drift.
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:46
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yeah id get an 86 but the prices on a stocker a f*#$in ridiculous, ra60's are just so cheap!
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:49
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Just do it man.
You don't have to ask for permision from others
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 03:50
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not askin for permisson 
just interested in if anyone has ever done it b4?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 04:33
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The RA6x is very controllable on the limit with decent suspension.
The RA65 takes the Supra LSD, but not the RA60 (you'll need to do a custom rear end for a decent LSD - read: not AE86).
The RA6x is longer than the AE86 so it takes less effort to get it sideways. But both cars are understeerers.
Either way, drifting is ghey.
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 04:46
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hey nark, even though u think drift is 'ghey' have u had ur car sidways? wonderin if ur suspension setup is good for it? does it still understeer?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 07:06
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Yes, I've had my car extremely sideways at very high speeds. Big brown pants moments when I totally screw up a corner.
On the limit, it's extremely stable as long as you don't do stupid things. The rear end will step out if you provoke it but it's very adjustable as long as your inputs are subtle.
But I don't try to hold it there like a dorifuto. The only "drifts" I do are the four wheel type on the exit of a corner.
I've had the car on dirt for heaps of sideways fun though.
It's easy to hold the tail out on dirt, but I'm not sure that means anything, I think any RWD car would be like that on dirt.
I don't "drift" cars, so I don't know how much you can rely on my opinion. Wouldn't have anything to compare it to.
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Perth Western Australia
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April 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 07:27
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| Nark wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 12:33 |
The RA6x is very controllable on the limit with decent suspension.
The RA65 takes the Supra LSD, but not the RA60 (you'll need to do a custom rear end for a decent LSD - read: not AE86).
The RA6x is longer than the AE86 so it takes less effort to get it sideways. But both cars are understeerers.
Either way, drifting is ghey.
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very interested in this statement -
the other day my left wheel was in a bit of light sand at the lights and i know that when u have a singel legger RWD the RIGHT wheel is the spinner - now when i took off the leftie spun bigtime
NOWWWW !
are you telling me that i have LSD on my RA65 ???
if so this would explain why when it rains i get stupidly sideways without trying on EVERY corner, i mean its a good thing but not sometimes when im trying to drive normal.
could u pls confirm this for me nark
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Melbourne, Australia
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July 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 07:52
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Err with a single spinner, isn't it just the wheel with the least load that spins? Not necessarily always the right wheel.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 08:04
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AFAIK, the RA65s had open F-series diffs. I'm not expert on the RA65s though.
My statement about the Supra was that the MA61s have the LSD F-series diffs, so it's a pretty simple swap to get LSD onto an RA65.
The RA60s have open T-series diffs which means the only donor car is the JDM AE86. But those diffs (as everything to do with AE86s) are hideously expensive.
To get a decent LSD into an RA60 you'll have to go a custom one from a chopped up Corona Mk II diff.
Do a search, plenty of info.
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 08:05
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yeah it's not just the left or right which will spin, it's the one with the least traction or resistance. If one wheel was in sand it would spin regardless
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townsville NQLD
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February 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 08:12
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if it was an LSD, both wheels should spin at once.
an open centre diff allows wheels to differentiate between which gets the power and at what speeds they turn....if one is in a less traction situation, ie. on wet concrete, sand, grass, then it will spin and all the torque is transferred to this wheel
thats the basics of it
go get an old diff and pull it apart....you'l understand
brett
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Sydney
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February 2005
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 08:39
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do it, don't procrastinate. Did you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 09:11
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| Hirogen wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 17:52 |
Err with a single spinner, isn't it just the wheel with the least load that spins? Not necessarily always the right wheel.
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Actually, on the RA60s at least, it's the right wheel that spins more. This is to do with the rotation direction of the engine and transfer of that directional torque within the diff.
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townsville NQLD
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February 2004
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melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 09:56
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y do ppl allways ask if ppl have done things?
be different n do it then say *hey look guys - look wat i have*
i dont really like the sport coz so much stress on car n if not correct ull fark it up n soend $$$$$$$$$ on it to get running again.
but if u wana do it go for it knock urself out, i reckon ull have more funn if its a track car that can pull tail out fun the occational fun *drift*
just dont make the car look like a fully sik drfito man - dont put black bonnet- dont put stickers all over it over stupid lil azn characters n do not ill repeat do not put a gt wing on it.... ull only look like a shopping trolley sliding on a track...
but ne way good luck with it - hope u can beat the nissan boys n the fully sik silvias etc..
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 10:01
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That's a great thread!
I've added the link to my Summary thread.
One day I (or possibly someone else) will sit down and convert all that info into a tech article.
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 10:17
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nah i wont try n make it look 'fully sic' with dumb body kits or nuthin, good plain looks and decent wheels like nark's looks awsum.
n maybe sum 'tofu delivery stickers'.... jk
btw back on the supra lsd, are these all that good or will they pack it after driftin on it for a while. in which case maybe an ra60 with a hilux diff may be stronger.... hmm decicions..
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February 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 10:34
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| Nark wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 20:01 |
That's a great thread!
I've added the link to my Summary thread.
One day I (or possibly someone else) will sit down and convert all that info into a tech article.
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that'll be a fun job for sure
good on you (or someone else) if they do it though 
brett
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 13:40
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Would a complete MA61 rear end fit into an RA60? I've heard it fits into SA-63s and RA-65s.
As for drifting an RA60/65, yeah it sounds good to me  I'm currently working on putting a 5S-GTE (well, 5S crank/block, 3S-GE head) into an SA63 body for a drift pig.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 14:05
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| FWDboy wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 23:40 |
Would a complete MA61 rear end fit into an RA60? I've heard it fits into SA-63s and RA-65s.
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As already mentioned, no it won't - not without extensive mods anyway. Floorpan is different between IRS and solid-axle models.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Mon, 28 March 2005 22:50
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I heard that RA65's and MA61's had F series diffs where as SA63 had soemthing else. (i don't know what it is i know it's weak as piss tho)
i say do it i've got 3 SA63's at my house and i can tell you every single one loves it sideways.
they handle great and my GA63 it by far the best car i have driven.
such power from such a small motor .
Oh and the weight aswell it's pretty light.
But if u buy a RA60 chuck some SA63/RA65 lights on it for looks.
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July 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 00:54
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Norbs -> Cheers for clearing that up. I thought the IRS rear end would probably have some differences but I've never bothered to look at a non-IRS model.
It's not really the car that makes or breaks a 'good' drift. Sure it does help to have things like IRS if you really want to get a tiny bit of extra speed out of a rough corner or have the ability to change direction at the rear slightly better, but all things considered the single biggest difference between a 'good' drift and a 'bad' drift is the driver.
Well, I guess rear-wheel drive helps (or AWD).
If you want to drift a live-axle RA60 Leaker then go for it!!!
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 00:56
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Oh - and the SA-63 has an 'S' series diff which, as mentioned, is about as weak as Calista Flockhart.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 01:21
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I broke one "S" series diff with a 2sc with mild headwork and an exahust then i broke another one with the 1g celica.
They aren't worth a pinch of shit.
Go The RA65.
If i could i would do it aswell.
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May 2002
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Tue, 29 March 2005 01:36
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| FWDboy wrote on Tue, 29 March 2005 10:56 |
Oh - and the SA-63 has an 'S' series diff which, as mentioned, is about as weak as Calista Flockhart.
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Nup, they have a T series. It is pretty weak, but then again a stock 2S doesn't exactly have mountains of torque.
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Tassie
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 01:37
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it has enough to break them
is that the same diff as a sprinter ?
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 03:10
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I'm sure I've seen SA-63s with S-series diffs, but I guess I could be wrong! Seeing as I don't have a car nearby to check I guess I'll just agree with ya
Both the T and S series diffs aren't capable of taking much punishment.
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December 2004
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 03:32
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I remember someone at Qld Drift Nats last year talking about setting up an old RWD Celica for drift and my brother is looking at doing the same thing. I say do it, its always good to see different cars out there at the drift events. It would be a steep learning curve though with not as much info about setting it up for drift readily available.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 03:51
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s13 suspension parts
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: RA60/65 celica, to drift or not to drift?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 10:06
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My cousin has drifted a pretty heavily modified RA60, it had a 3TGTE, decent suspension and a TRD 2-way LSD (which survived remarkably well given that this thing was thrashed mercilessly). So it is doable, but as always the main factor is driver skill.
Incidentally a 3TGTE or 1GGTE conversion is pretty easy into an RA60.
Hen
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