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Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 09:50
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Hey, I'm new to the toyota celica scene. I've seen some pics of both the RA60's and RA23's i was just wondering wat the differece between them is. Also how much a decent one will cost? I'm looking a project car and i rekon one of these would be good base. Thanks in advance.
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 09:59
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RA60 is ugly from the front, and edgier all around. RA23 is much swoopier and a better looker. Both have T-series diffs. The RA60 has rack-and-pinion steering and would arguably perform better for it. RA60 also has bigger brakes. That said, it's also slightly heavier.
RA60 is much more modern, has a nicer interior and generally everything is a bit newer. The RA23 is older, so you have to expect that.
I'd say it'd be easier, tailgate aside, to find a better condition RA60. RA23's are getting a bit thin on the ground.
Basically, it will come down to what you want from it.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 10:30
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 29 March 2005 19:59 |
Basically, it will come down to what you want from it.
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Sex?
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 10:46
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To be honest, the sort of chick that will screw you for your car isn't the sort of chick I would want...and the RA60 has more room in the interior.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 10:51
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 29 March 2005 20:46 |
To be honest, the sort of chick that will screw you for your car isn't the sort of chick I would want...and the RA60 has more room in the interior.
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I meant from the car. And if you're my size, the extra room the RA60(very very very similar to the MA61 which i have) means two tenths of bugger all unless you're into yoga and a contortionist 
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 11:00
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Pssht, you just aren't using the available space correctly.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 11:03
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Hi,
The RA60 is butt-ugly from any direction. The RA23 is much more pleasing to the eyes. However, as previously mentioned, you'd probably have a better chance of getting a good condition RA60 than an RA23 'cos the RA23 is a few years older.
Also, any chick who wants to screw you just 'cos of your car isn't the type of chick I'd like to go out with. I doubt there'd be any chick in the entire planet, no matter how desperate, would screw you for your car and your car happens to be an RA60!
An RA23 I can understand (though barely)... but not an RA60. 
seeyuzz
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 11:16
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wheres the button for RA65 ?
they look loads better than the RA60 or RA23 
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 11:22
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 29 March 2005 21:00 |
Pssht, you just aren't using the available space correctly.
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So much effort putting the seats down though 
Seriously though, i prefer the look of the RA23 over the RA60. However, if you want a mans car you can't go past a MA61 
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 11:40
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| Bozza wrote on Tue, 29 March 2005 19:50 |
... I'm looking a project car ...
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How much of a project car? I've got a rolling shell sitting in the garage..
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 13:48
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I'd prefer something thats is in running order. coFF33 i dont have a button for that car because i dont know what they look like. I agree that the RA23's are better.
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 17:12
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look at at the bottom of this post and click the link to see my RA65 .. its a RA65 with a 22RE engine that will suffice compared to the 21RC in a RA60 untill you have the 5k to do a big conversion
not to mention the sex popup lights and they are usually kept in better condition than ra60's
here is the link
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 22:45
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RA60s can look good...
I think the performance out of my 21R isnt bad, but to take the ra60 seriously, it needs an engine conversion
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 23:05
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how can u link 21R and the word performance together !?!?!? that is part of the reason i went to an MA61 to get away from the lack of anything a celica had!! don't bother with pissy little celicas get an MA61
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 23:16
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you went to an ma61 for performance.... 5m-e.... yeah whatever.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 23:29
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a 5ME shits on a 21r... u can't say it doesn't... anyway 5me won't b there for long...7MGTE is wat u should b saying!!
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Tue, 29 March 2005 23:49
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5m-e vs 21r-c, I think you are being rather unfair.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 00:45
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That top picture is an RA28 is it not?
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 01:04
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I was gettin mighty confused for a second cause i could of sworn it was a pic of a ra23 when i saw it but people were saying it wasn't  either way the top car is way sexier then other one in my opinion
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 01:05
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I like the RA23's better but how much would an alright condition one cost? Also how much would an alright condition RA60 be aswell. Thanks
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 01:48
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that RA60 does look dam fine!!!
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 01:50
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| ViPeR_NiPPleX wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 09:49 |
5m-e vs 21r-c, I think you are being rather unfair.
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well u r the one critising my decision. the 21r has no performance... this is not to say that the 5ME has any but it sure does pull more skin off a custard than a 21r
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 03:08
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I'm not talking about buying a car in the condition those 2 cars are. I would prefer not to have any rust and is regoable. So how much for a RA23? without rust and is clean, but needs abit of work? Like a couple of k? or $5,000+? Thanks
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 03:17
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it all depends i spose... most MA61's go for at least $4k or $5k if they are good cond... i got mine for $3k and mine is really good cond so sometimes u just get lucky!
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 08:54
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I wasn't asking for a price on a MA61
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 09:16
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| Bozza wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 18:54 |
I wasn't asking for a price on a MA61
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Maybe this might change your mind, i didnt like that model till i saw this one  .
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 11:32
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price of an ra23:
I bought a straight one with VERY minimal rust:
ie: rust spots on roof less than 10c coin size, little bit of rust on rear window (around the sills), and a little bit in tip of bonnet.
with an 18rg and sound system for just under $3000.00
That said --> I've spent nearly 6k (including purchase price) on it so far - and it's no where near what I want (see the avatar - that's the dream)
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:21
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*drools*
hey Nark did u install that aerial
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:27
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Nah, it was on the car when I bought it.
I did the "aerodynamic modification" though... ie: I angled it... hehe
I eventually pulled it off and left the stump with the view that I'd remove it totally and cover up the hole.
Haven't quite gotten around that that part yet though.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:30
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ra23mad, when its time for me to buy another project i wish i can find a good deal like u did. How much is an alright condition RA60? Nark that is a nice looking RA60 btw.
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Perth Western Australia
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:34
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depending where u are in Aust -
over east : RA60 go for under $1.6k
over here in WA - they are around $2k
that is for one with F.A. Rust ...
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:53
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Hi,
The RA23 is a coupe and the RA60 is a liftback.
I'm not sure what the coupe model of the RA60 is, but it's a most unattractive looking vehicle.
As far as liftbacks go, the RA60 is very ordinary compared to the RA28. I can't help myself, I'm just an old school lad who thinks the early gens piss all over the later stuff for looks.
The RA25 looks better again! But, I'm a biased old fart
As far as the MA61 Supra.... it was the best looking Supra ever made. The later models just don't do it for me. Again, my personal opinion.
seeyuzz
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 00:00
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| river wrote on Thu, 31 March 2005 09:53 |
I'm not sure what the coupe model of the RA60 is, but it's a most unattractive looking vehicle.
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The RA60 coupe is the ugliest Toyota ever made (short of the RA40 liftback, I suppose).
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 00:18
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| smt_007 wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 19:16 |
| Bozza wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 18:54 |
I wasn't asking for a price on a MA61
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Maybe this might change your mind, i didnt like that model till i saw this one .
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don't go much on the bonnet scoop, but the rest of that car is nice... i reckon a white bonnet would look good! something a litle different!
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 02:14
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 23:17 |
RA23s look sexier.
But the RA60 has a better stance. Dumped over a large set of rims, the RA60 has more presence.
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Love that RA60... bar the blue interior, atleast its not brown
No ma61 should ever have a bonnet scoop. Just reminds me of how much I hate bogans and their pushrods...
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 02:40
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Does anybody have a pic of a RA65? What are the differences between RA60's and RA65's? Thanks in advance.
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 03:47
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I'm not a huge fan of the xA60x toyotas. They can look alright if done properly, but I still don't like the overall shape.
RA23's on the other hand have heaps of style. Nothing beats that old school shape.
Above everything, the RA60 COUPE is one of the ugliest cars I've seen. Its right up there with Exa's
I'd be budgeting 4-5k for an RA23 in a very nice condition.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 03:48
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The RA60 has the layback lights, live rear and 2.0L carby engine.
The RA65 has the real popup lights, IRS, and a 2.4L EFI engine.
The rear lights are different too. The RA60 has the reverse lights up the top and I think the RA65 has them on the bottom.
SA63 looks the same as the RA65, except I think the exhaust still points down instead of being straight like the RA65? Not 100% sure on that though.
Not sure about the rear lights either.
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 03:58
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Bozza
see the link under my post for cardomain.com
click on that and it will show u my RA65 which IMO is in ORSM condition.
or ill just post this pic
that 2nd foto is her stock as a rock (still needing to paint the bumper)
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 04:35
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The only nice ra60 i have seen is a red one on the road, i have to say red ones are nice  .
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 06:03
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RA60(late '81 to mid '83) - 2.0L 21R-C, T series 6.7" live axle, w57 gbox, early style tail lights, pop out headlights, sideways open doorhandles.
SA63(mid '83 to mid '84) - 2.0L 2S-C, T series 6.7" IRS, w55 gbox, late style taillights, pop up headlights, upways open doorhandles.
RA65(mid '84 to mid '85) - 2.4L 22R-E, F series 7.5" IRS, w55 or w58 gbox, late style taillights, pop up headlights, upways open door handles, check engine light on dash.
SA63 and RA65 are very similar, sharing similar interior trims that differ from the RA60 styles.
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January 2005
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Thu, 31 March 2005 07:34
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yeah whats the deal with some of the interior colours and patterns in RA60's there foul! I'm glad they got it right in the SA63's and RA65's. I've been driving around an SA63 for 2 and a half years and drove a RA65 for the first time the other day and DAMN did it feel good! Power steering and efi!
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 10:36
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| river wrote on Thu, 31 March 2005 09:53 |
As far as liftbacks go, the RA60 is very ordinary compared to the RA28. I can't help myself, I'm just an old school lad who thinks the early gens piss all over the later stuff for looks.
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Absolutely and Entirely agree.
Mate if ur looking at an ra23, i would also take a look at the hatchback version(ra28). I prefer the ra28. But it doesnt bother me becaue i have 2 TA23(same as RA23 but with T series motor) and 1 RA28.
I was lucky enough to pick up the Yellow TA23 in this link>>> for $550(no rust). http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=55497&start=0&rid=6957&S=768df4abea4 d6b8feea7cc4daa001b70
Which i beleive is a bargain!! i think u would be lucky to find one like this for that price.
Regards, Jeff
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Thu, 31 March 2005 20:19
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There is an absolutely mint condition RA65 up on the sunshine coast man, $2500.. havent had a full close look, but the paint work is good, panels are straight, tint, nice lil wheels, 2.4l motor bla bla bla, if you want me to sus it, pm me as it sits down the road from me.. I'd get it if i didnt have my RA60, too poor to get it as a spare too! But my previous car was an RA65 and it hammered, handled alright n drifted good..
peace wes
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Thu, 31 March 2005 23:54
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Thanks for the offer Wezelton, but i'm really just finding out wat my new project car will be and i'm still saving money. So i wont be serious about buying a car for another couple of months i dont rekon.
Torrens
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Re: Difference between RA60 and RA23's?
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Fri, 01 April 2005 03:37
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well i can claim i have one of the NEATEST MA61's in hobart!!
i can also claim i had one of hte worst RA60's in hobart!
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