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I supported Toymods
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ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Sun, 06 March 2005 16:33
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Who's using what, for what application? I need to replace the stuffed standard units, and was wondering what like minded guys are using with what success? My application will primarily be motorsport (motorkhanas, hillclimbs, sprints, ...), in a street legal car, with comfort and drivability also a factor in choice? List your findings?!
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Sun, 06 March 2005 23:38
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Koni's all round seem to be the best consensus.
KYB's are second but lack quality
Whiteline do a full suspension kit. But have been told the springs are a bit on the soft side.
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November 2002
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 00:14
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The springs in the Whiteline kit are biased towards the comfort side and are good for hard street driving but not so flash for any motorsport activities. Its not hard to delete these and fit your choice instead, Kings, Eibach, Tien's etc. Whiteline use Koni adj. shocks in their kit with the rear's revalved to their own custom settings.
Does not answer the question but explains the Whiteline kit a bit. And gives some bumpage as well.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:03
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I agree with RA23 Celica... and lance the whiteline kit rocks especially if you get the works BUT the springs aren't overly crash hot.
I've got a set of kingsprings to replace the whiteline springs.
Also note that the whiteline works kit doesn't include lower control arm bushes because they believed that most customers wouldn't appreciate the extra road noise they cause.
Personally I couldn't give a toss about road noise so I replaced them with urethane.
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:06
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Oh i agree the whiteline kit is awesome at what it does. Hence why im buying it in pieces.
Stage1:
-Super Low King Springs
-Adj Rear Whiteline Sway Bar
Stage2:
-Bushes Everywhere
-Koni's Allround
I figured i might as well blow out the stock ones i got now. Should last a few 1000k's
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Canberra
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October 2004
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November 2002
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 06:28
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Zasa has reminded me that in both the ST165 and ST185, Whiteline use a revalved Subaru shockie and modify the original sealed units at the rear to suit it. (Making it easily replaceable in the future.)
Maybe that is the reason why Koni don't make an adjustable one for the rear.
Anyway, from my research its only KYB that make replacement sealed cartridges for rear of a ST185. So mate, you may be limited to that choice only......
Mitch.
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January 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 07:09
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Hey all, I got a set of bilstein coil overs with the tops,allowing camber and caster adjustment from a JDM ST185 fitted to my ST184 and they rock, i got them hell cheap ,from Just Jap, here in Sydney.had to get the rears modded to suit my hubs, but otherwise they work super...! Handling is amazing!!
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 08:08
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| SXY184 wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 18:09 |
Hey all, I got a set of bilstein coil overs with the tops,allowing camber and caster adjustment from a JDM ST185 fitted to my ST184 and they rock, i got them hell cheap ,from Just Jap, here in Sydney.had to get the rears modded to suit my hubs, but otherwise they work super...! Handling is amazing!!
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Are you sure you can adjust the caster this way?
Looking at how the suspension is setup I wouldn't have thought you could adjust caster without changing control arms.
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January 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 11:39
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| Toobs wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 19:08 |
| SXY184 wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 18:09 |
Hey all, I got a set of bilstein coil overs with the tops,allowing camber and caster adjustment from a JDM ST185 fitted to my ST184 and they rock, i got them hell cheap ,from Just Jap, here in Sydney.had to get the rears modded to suit my hubs, but otherwise they work super...! Handling is amazing!!
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Are you sure you can adjust the caster this way?
Looking at how the suspension is setup I wouldn't have thought you could adjust caster without changing control arms.
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Nah the tops allow the adjustment, so the suspension guy told me from pedders...,
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Tue, 08 March 2005 03:10
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I use 50mmm coil over adjustable Proflex shocks at each corner.
Excellent ride and control.
Comfortable at speed, but around town needs a kidney belt.
M
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:31
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Yep at the moment, I'm leaning towards an externally adjustable unit, as I will also use the car on the road, and with passengers. I've heard varying reports on the suitability of KYB shocks when pushed hard, so will dismiss their purchase from my thoughts for now. Anyone had experience with Tokico's in a ST185 and if so, what model?
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Thu, 10 March 2005 21:30
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I am using ST 204, KYB AGX shockers in my sprinter, a bit expensive but work well on the street and can be adjusted without tools and in seconds unlike the Tokico's
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 23 March 2005 16:20
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Any more shock info folks - who out there is actually using a full Koni setup, and what part numbers? Comments too please? I'm heading down the coil over Eibach path for springs - I've had enough of cheap shit that doesn't last, and can't be adjusted for vehicle idiosyncrasies.
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 23 March 2005 16:30
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Jump onto ebay right now clint, and look for the JIC coilovers a guy is selling in sydney.
That would be your best bet.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Sun, 27 March 2005 08:59
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OK, further to my ponderings over the last few days, can anyone give me the front and rear spring rates for an ST185 before I have to disassemble the struts and get my 15 year old springs tested please?
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Sun, 27 March 2005 22:56
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ive got a full koni setup - adjustables front and rear - rides sweet as sugar - and the adjustability really does effect the comfort + performance into corners ..
its in conjunction with the whiteline works kit - CLG - you shoulda known that ! i rant about my suspension setup enough on here !!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 28 March 2005 01:24
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This I know Stu, but unfortunately you don't use MSN, so we can't dribble shit together?! I'm also anal enough to probably not be happy with the standard kit - still trying to work out what ride height I want let alone spring rate?!
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 28 March 2005 05:45
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From Whitelines forums (www.suspensionparts.info)
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Toyota Celica ST185 GT-FOUR
OEM spring rates (according to our measurements);
front ~ 150 lbs/in
rear ~ 140 lbs/in
Whiteline;
front 71602 - 172 lbs/in
rear 79213 - 157 lbs/in
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 28 March 2005 06:19
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Thanks Toobs, greatly appreciated - now I know why it bounces like a whore on a Saturday night?!
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Mon, 28 March 2005 08:17
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| CLG wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 16:19 |
Thanks Toobs, greatly appreciated - now I know why it bounces like a whore on a Saturday night?!
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haha I know what you mean... just set your shocks softer and its all good.
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Tue, 29 March 2005 15:07
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Mine are completly worn out and the car feels like fricken jelly.
Ive contacted perfectrun.com regarding Tien Super street coilovers...and ive got this back:
*Tein Super Street Damper Kit (Item Code: GST18-B1SS4): 115000Yen (= currently A$1420)
*Estimated shipping cost from Japan to your address in Brisbane, Australia: approximately A$480
Im so close to ordering this, the postage is the only thing holding me back. 
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Tue, 29 March 2005 17:54
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So you enjoy being ripped a new asshole in postage huh? Dude, You're getting ripped off with that quote!
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Tue, 29 March 2005 22:47
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Its probably a quote for FedEx.
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 00:58
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Yeah it feels a bit like that Clint  .
I emailed AVO. Hopefully they can provide a competetive price, what is the best price you found so far for the Konis Clint?
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September 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 03:52
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Ive done a bit more research, as i need to get some struts this week.
Contacted GSA suspension - they wanted $315 per strut, koni ones. and $160 for a pair of king springs.
Fulcrum suspension - They wanted $558 for the front and $744 for the rear and $168 for a pair of king springs.
The Price from perfectrun.com seems awesome for a complete set of tien coil overs, just that postage cost, damn it!
What have you come up with Clint?
What do you guys think of the prices?
and also they have not heard of a whiteline works kit for this car, even when i gave them the part number, and they are ment to be authorised whiteline dealers.
Im leaning towards adjustable struts all round, even if you have to make them yourself, it should work a treat. Still looking...... 
EDIT: Just checked on the whiteline website, The works kit, including GST and delivery is $2,128.10 
The Tien kit suddenly looks good.
[Updated on: Wed, 30 March 2005 04:07]
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 04:50
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| sikx5 wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 13:52 |
EDIT: Just checked on the whiteline website, The works kit, including GST and delivery is $2,128.10
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Thats just the retail price.
I got mine for $1848 including front and rear strut tower braces and freight.
Remember that the works kit includes heaps of urethane bushes, uprated adjustable rear sway bar, camber adjusting bolts etc.
The Koni's and springs only make up about half of the price of the whiteline kit.
The springs are $295.45 ex GST for the whole set
The shocks are:
Front: $261.82
Rear: $341.82
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 05:07
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Thanks for that Toobs,
Where did you purchase your kit from Toobs?
Cheers
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 13:16
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I have a set of JIC Magic suspension for my Group A. Been looking to upgrade for over a year now. Wanted to get DMS, JIC or Teins for the car but very difficult to find at a reasonable price. JIC's and Tein's are on par for quality and features but JIC are less streetable and more race whilst teins are a bit more comfortable. DMS I would say is the best available.
Whiteline actually used my car to develop parts for the suspension kit they sell. Its a good all round package that improves handling greatly. It all depends on your needs really.
I think the power split is too even or could be front bais in the 4wd system. Also been top heavy make a perfect recipe for dreaded under-steer. This is what Im trying to fix and have a more neutral to partial over-steer behavior.
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September 2004
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 15:20
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Where can you buy JIC and DMC struts mate? and roughly what are there new price.
Cheers
shane
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Wed, 30 March 2005 23:47
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| sikx5 wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 15:07 |
Thanks for that Toobs,
Where did you purchase your kit from Toobs?
Cheers
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From my local Repco guy!
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Thu, 31 March 2005 02:14
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| sikx5 wrote on Thu, 31 March 2005 01:20 |
Where can you buy JIC and DMC struts mate? and roughly what are there new price.
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I dont know of anyone that distributes Jic in OZ but it will set you back around $2000 mark for the SA-1 coilover set landed here. DMS have different types so it really depends on what you go with. In Qld your closest would be Bryce Racing Developments (Tel. 07 5574 6811).
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: ST185 GT4 Shock Absorbers
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Fri, 01 April 2005 00:05
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| CLG wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 11:24 |
This I know Stu, but unfortunately you don't use MSN, so we can't dribble shit together?! I'm also anal enough to probably not be happy with the standard kit - still trying to work out what ride height I want let alone spring rate?!
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get trillian then and patch in my ICQ number - OR utilize #toyotamods on irc 
im usually there - dribbling said crud
and nods - re springs in the whiteline kit - i havent put the car thru its paces on the track yet - but its 100% A-OK for street/hills fun
I just usually wind the koni's up a tad more to get a little less squish
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