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4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 02:43
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what computers are out there for 4age's that can handle quad throttles and VVTI setups?
what kinda computers are u guys with modified 4age's out there using? how much are we looking at?
thanks.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 04:24
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i have fitted microtech's to heaps of 4age's, everything from 86kw's to 20v turbos,
start from $1495 fitted
Dale
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 04:36
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On the 86 i have a Haltech, and have seen Autronics, Motecs, Links, and even the humble MegaSquirt.
The only one ive personally had issue with was the Microtech. Admittedly it was an MT8, and it couldnt control the GZE 385cc injectors at idle with the quads and 308s. Always sat around the 11:1 FR mark.
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 04:47
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mt8's control those injectors no problems at all at idle, i would suggest something else was not working properly etc.
on brownsters starlet we had 720cc per cyl and controlled with a MT8 no problems at all and that was with 280deg cams and a big custom plenum, it will idle happy at 1400rpm at 13.5:1, since the LT8s has gone in it is a lot better on the freeway it gets better economy that a stock ecu'ed gt starlet..
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 12:06
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im suggesting more like injector drivers hooked up incorrectly,
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 12:24
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Nope, hooked up another MT8 on another 4AGE which worked beautifully. Same loom and all.
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Location:
melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 15:35
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even with these other computers, ur still looking at about 1500?
what were the gains in N/A engines?
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Location:
Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 22:02
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Microtech is the cheapest, at $1395 as stated
Wolf3Ds come in at the same, $1395
Haltechs come in slightly dearer $1590
Autronics a bit more again $1750
And then Motecs i think are around the $2500 mark or more.
One which hasnt been mentioned is the EMS systems:
the EMS Stinger is $995
And the 8860 is $1595
You can get both from ImportBitz (sponsorplug).
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Tue, 05 April 2005 22:26
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Yep im using an EMS stinger on my 4AGE with quads and big cams and all the rest, its cheap, it does the job so i cant complain.
just ditch the dodgy EMS igniters and make sure all the earths are really really good.
Cheers
Ben.
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Location:
sydney
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March 2004
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 00:33
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i also use the ems stinger on my 4agze
runs well
has had no problems
very happy with it 
cheap and reliable 
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 02:27
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Will the Motec M4 Pro or Clubman be able to run a 20v Silvertop correctly as it only has VVT not VVTi.
I have seen a M4 on another Sprinter with a 20v silvertop but when I went to ring the Motec Dealer he said I couldn't run an M4 on it cos of the VVT. Can anyone confirm this?
Cheers
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 02:35
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Bah, just run BIG cams and ditch the VVTi
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 03:20
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| SecaSX wrote on Wed, 06 April 2005 12:27 |
Will the Motec M4 Pro or Clubman be able to run a 20v Silvertop correctly as it only has VVT not VVTi.
I have seen a M4 on another Sprinter with a 20v silvertop but when I went to ring the Motec Dealer he said I couldn't run an M4 on it cos of the VVT. Can anyone confirm this?
Cheers
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silver top only has vvt any ecu with one output will run it fine
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 06:57
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| SecaSX wrote on Wed, 06 April 2005 12:27 |
Will the Motec M4 Pro or Clubman be able to run a 20v Silvertop correctly as it only has VVT not VVTi.
I have seen a M4 on another Sprinter with a 20v silvertop but when I went to ring the Motec Dealer he said I couldn't run an M4 on it cos of the VVT. Can anyone confirm this?
Cheers
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I doubt that was a real Motec dealer in that case!
They'll do it easily, and if you want to get a bit fancy you can make up 2D load tables to turn the VVT on & off. Things like rpm/throttle, etc.
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 07:01
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That sounds great.
Thanks for the advice. My goal is to run 288 degree Toda cams, ported and polished head and quads to air with a TRD 0.8mm head gasket. I was initially thinking of using a Microtech LT8S but I seem to be getting both good and bad reviews about Microtechs but for Motecs all I have heard is good. But of cos the Motec's come at a price.
Does the extra cost of the motec justify itself with the value you get from them as opposed to a Microtech?
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 08:35
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Except when you convert from FWD and the loom is too short....., so instead you get grumpy with the hedge trimmers and butcher the loom, destroying 3 injector plugs in the process 
*note*, i did not do this.
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Location:
Rockhampton QLD
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July 2004
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 11:54
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how much of a performance gain does an aftermarket comp give you with a bigbort 4age?
yes, i am dumb
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Wed, 06 April 2005 22:38
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last bigport i did made 104hp or about 74kw at the tyres, stock exhaust manafold and 2in exhuast with a LT8 mircrotech
Dale
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Location:
melbourne
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:36
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well 10secrx7,
im considering getting a microtec computer to run a blacktop 4age. have u had any success/failures with these before???
thanks.
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:43
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ive done heaps of 20v's, all worked a treat, even turbo ones,
if you do a search you will find some info on some i have tuned in the past
Dale
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:45
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| Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 06 April 2005 15:22 |
The Motec has a lot more options & functions and will run just about any engine you can think of, and so you can keep it for a very long time to swap between engines as you please.
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I understand about being able to swap between engines easily, but just how many options and functions does a secondhand Motec as you describe REALLY have over a current model Microtech?
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:51
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not a lot, finer fuel mapping , if you want to run 4 coils with a motec you need to buy 4 igniters ( or 2 duel chanels) and then you loose all your outputs for fuel pump, tacho etc, if you want to run a 20v idle motor that takes 2 of your outputs!
a lot of people go on about the extra outputs etc but a microtech has fuel pump, fan, tacho, idle motor, rpm based, 4 coils, 4 injectors standard on the LT10s, plus 2 aux inputs which can be used for air con idle up etc, so the microtech has 5 outputs standard they are just not configurable as the motec ones.
Dale
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I supported Toymods
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:53
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Any news when Microtech will finally release the 32x32 maps and the user definable RPM tuning steps?
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 04:22
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soon hopefully!!
the boost controller will be reday in about 3 weeks then i will know more after that
Dale
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Location:
Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 04:35
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 07 April 2005 13:45 |
I understand about being able to swap between engines easily, but just how many options and functions does a secondhand Motec as you describe REALLY have over a current model Microtech?
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Quite a heck of a lot I suspect.
http://www.motec.com.au/m4club.htm
The Microtechs are getting up to where the M4's were about ten years ago.
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 06:42
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| 10sec_rx7 wrote on Thu, 07 April 2005 13:51 |
if you want to run 4 coils with a motec you need to buy 4 igniters ( or 2 duel chanels) and then you loose all your outputs for fuel pump, tacho etc,
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Not necessarily - There's the ignition expander module so you only use the one output.
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Location:
Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 22:17
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yes but that is another outlay you have to spend, last time i did a motec they wernt cheap either
Dale
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: 4AGE aftermarket computers
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Thu, 07 April 2005 23:33
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comparing ECUs SIMPLY based upon outputs and features is like comparing all the different operating systems on the market.
Sure they all do the same thing and boast the same features, but we all know that this DOES NOT mean they all run the same.
Im not here to bad the Microtech, i think they are a great product and offer so much to the performance market by offering an affordable and decently featured ECU, for the money they are hard to beat (if buying new that is).
But i wont go out saying that feature for feature, all the aftermarket ECUs are on par - there is that little matter of the underlying code which makes a big differnce.
**note: this is my opinion, and not to be taken as fact
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