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 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 02:20
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I seem to be in a bit of a bind with my 1JZ, when it is running I do I have an emanage computer sitting in my room that will possibly go onto the motor but I am unsure whether or not it will be suitable for what I want to do, as I am going to do a turbo upgrade on the motor quite soon after the conversion is completed, I was thinking either a GT2540 or a TD06-25G obviously one is much larger than the other where the TD06 would be great for 300+rwkw and the 2540 would be good for around 260rwkw and awesome response.
The pickle I am in is that is it worth fitting the emanage or should I just sell it and go for something like a microleb/autronic/EMS/Wolf/Motec? I dont really mind spending that little extra but if the emanage will be up to the task then I might stick with that.
Also note I will not be doing extreme things like changing compression, ITB's, custom plenium, etc. Most modifications will strictly be bolt ons.
Cheers in advance 
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:01
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Draven's got a LTX12, so ask for his opinions...
Most of the modern boxes - (Haltech/Motec/MicroTech etc) are pretty good, it is as most things, you get what you pay for !!!
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:11
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There is nothing wrong with any of the current ECU's. They are only as good as the tuner. If you find one that has the features you need (i.e. I'm assuming direct fire ignition, sequential injection) and a tuner that is comfortable using them, go for it.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 03:12
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as I said i dont mind paying a little extra for a standalone, but if the emanage will do what I want, top a degree, (obviously not as well as a standalone) then I will stick with it.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 05:18
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I wouldn't use a sensor bender at that level of mod's. The factory ecu is brilliant .... with a factory set-up.
Haltech (E6X or top-of-the line E11) will do all you want, and for a few bucks more you can map the electronic boost solenoid (a BIG plus with the turbos you mention). Best of all, the base-map for the 1JZ is pretty good. I cetainly have no complaints.
That said, you're probably better-off picking a tuner first, then getting whatever he suggests.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 07:10
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just one thing to keep in mind, unless you're going for a motec (and even then i'm not sure what the case is), the other ECU's don't have as much of a guard against pinging as the factory ecu, my mechanic was telling me how in the standard ECU, if a ping is detected, the revs are reduced and extra fuel gets put into the engine, with most aftermarket ECU's, the only warning u get is a red light, and by that stage the pinging has been happening for long enough to stuff ur motor. Just something to keep in mind, at least with the sensor bender you can still keep these protective facilities.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 07:17
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Esslete, I have already thought about the pining factor and thats why im going to sacrafice a few KW's for a richer fuel mixture, maybe have the AFR's something around 12:1 or 11.5:1 i know of a few drifters who have adopted this method of tuning and on hot days I know who comes off best, bouncing off the limiter in 3rd and 4th all day without pinging issues is good
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 07:33
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That's a fair point on knock - the factory 1JZ is set-up with two knock sensors. Factory tune is fairly conservative and rich, even for Toyota.
In theory, at leawst, you could use the Haltech's (E6X) duel mapping for this (knock sensor becomes input to switch to 2nd map - which would be richer, etc.) - though I hav't tried it.
Otherwise, you'll just have to keep a close eye on your engine under different conditions. I had to do this - with on-going tweaking for optimal tune in all conditions) and (after nearly a year) have got things pretty well (still sorting timing) sorted on the one map.
And as to turbo choice, go the 2540! You'll have masses of low to mid-range torque with that baby. And a super-fast spool-up. Don't be suckered by show-off dyno numbers, the 2540 will FEEL faster than all of them (until you get onto the track, anyway).
Justin
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 07:42
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I think there is guy selling an Autronic complete with loom for 1jz on these forums. If you had the money, this would be spot on.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 08:43
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celica-sue you say the 2540 wont feel as fast on the track? have you had experice with one on a 1JZ before? do they run out of puff up top or will they continue to pull all the way to the limiter?
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Thu, 07 April 2005 08:47
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Another thing is injectors. If you are going to upgrade to larger injectors you may have to go with low impedance unless you want to spend shitloads. So there is the added cost and hassle of wiring resistors.
There have been people making some pretty good power with the stock ecu with pretty modded engines though. Bolt on mods though, not internally.
I think that if you already have an Emanage, I would be using that. If you didn't have anything, then I would be looking into standalone ECU.
chat on MSN 
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Fri, 08 April 2005 09:02
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I'd look at what supra guys are getting via emanage.
Piggybacks can deliver incredile performance once you understand what they're/you're doing. The 4cyl mitsubishi 2L in the u.s. live by the safc and datalogger ($50-$150). There are quite a few mid 11sec full wt. daily drivers... pretty amazing for a 3350 pound pig powered reliably by a 2L with stock ecu/internals eh
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Fri, 08 April 2005 09:10
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^^^ thats very good to know
cheers guest
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Fri, 08 April 2005 15:16
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I agree with justin[celia-sue] that it makes sense to locate a person [tuner] who you find easy to talk to,who understands what you want to achieve,both now and later.most importantly,someone who will give you the time of day.
hopefully this person will be happy to tune your emanage.otherwise sell it to me as I have been advised by carlos of millenium motorsports who has an excellent reputation that the emanage when teamed up with the optional looms for fuel and ignition would allow me to tune for 300rwkw [400rwhp]
start with the tuner you like for advice,most have their own favourite brand which more often than not will simply be the unit they are most familiar with.Like the other guys said,you cant buy a bad computer,but you can certainly get a pretty ordinary approach to tuning your motor if you pick the wrong guy.
best of luck.Pete.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Fri, 08 April 2005 17:33
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i have used an emanage on mine and have since removed it to make way for a haltech e6x call JEM 0296006567
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 04:50
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Talk to Brenton at Fours N More, he has my MicroTech running better than factory at the moment. He might be able to fit and tune other ECU's too.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 07:35
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I intend to head down there alex, its s tossup between them and steve at JazMac as I know adam down there and he is a really top bloke
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 10:25
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The ass-end on both of those turbo's are a bit on the small side!!
If it were a TD-06SH 25G or a GT3040 that would be more like it.
The TD-06 & 2540 have turbines & housings that are more suited to 2l 4cyl engines, sure you'll get a good bottom-mid range oomph, but they will be seriously strangled up top, and if you are thinking of running a internal wastegate on either you'll have boost creep city!!
I'd look at a GT3037 / GT3076 sized turbo.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Scr een=PROD&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-033&Category _Code=GRT
Just my 2c though.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 10:45
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thanks for your input E30-323ti i was always under the imporession the TD0625G would be a little large for the 1JZ but it sounds like you have some experience on the matter, I am really after something that will give me boost as early as the stock Ct12a's but spin something like 260-180rwkw all the way to the glorious redline, do you think the GT3040 would do that?
also one the turbo upgrade an internal gate is a definitie no no, with it becoming mainly a track orientated car with the occasional bit of street driving (not everyday obviously) an external gate with a screamer is a definite
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 11:09
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Matt - If you are going aftermarket make up your mind before i do the wiring for the car. Its like 200x easier to do an aftermarket install than hook up all the stock stuff... especially with that loom you have.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 11:21
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I want the car running chris, dont worry about the aftermarket install i will get the tuner to do that, i want to suss the car out in relatively stock form before i go rooting around with other stuff first, like i said I am aiming for the 25th of april practise day and now its all bolted up and i have a radiator all thats left is the few tidbits of the manual conversion and the cooler piping
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sat, 09 April 2005 11:36
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All good, i would say stick with the E-Manage for now, if i didnt go to Quads i would probably be using an Emanage.
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sun, 10 April 2005 00:19
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Sat, 09 April 2005 22:45 |
thanks for your input E30-323ti i was always under the imporession the TD0625G would be a little large for the 1JZ but it sounds like you have some experience on the matter, I am really after something that will give me boost as early as the stock Ct12a's but spin something like 260-180rwkw all the way to the glorious redline, do you think the GT3040 would do that?
also one the turbo upgrade an internal gate is a definitie no no, with it becoming mainly a track orientated car with the occasional bit of street driving (not everyday obviously) an external gate with a screamer is a definite
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I ran a TD-06 25G on my Evo, and it was very good, but I don't think the plain -06 Turbine and housing will cut it on a 1JZ, where as a -06SH has a bigger Turbine & housing (12 or 14cm I think opposed to the 8cm of the -06), the front half will flow plenty!!
As for the GT2540, the backend is basically the same as a T28 or T25 off a 200SX which is even smaller the the -06, and I think the biggest housing you can get is 0.86 (stock size on a GTiR!!) and are internally gated, so you'd need to seal it.
Slylux on here has a GT3040 on his 1JZ Hilux and is putting down ~400rwhp!!
From what he emailed me it doesn't seem much laggier than stock!!
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Re: 1JZ - Emanage or better?
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Sun, 10 April 2005 00:55
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good food for thought i suppose
cheers
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