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Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 06:14
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Hey guys, Ive done a search, and there are soo many 86 threads, I cant find the right one to answer this. The next car im looking at buying, has to be a toyota, and NA, but a great handler, and quick. Theonly things that come to mind, is the current chape celica/ Sportivo Corolla, and an AE86 with a 4AGE. The celica seems to be a great car, but doesnt handle to good, the corolla, is just not my thing, but the 86, seems like a great car. Light weight, RWD, etc. Can you make them a quick circuit/track car? Or are they purley for drifting etc? How much power, can be made from an NA 16v 4AGE? Has anyone shoved a 3SGE beams into one? Or does that just stuff the weight distribution up?
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Mon, 11 April 2005 06:18
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there have been some with 3sge and 3sgte's put in, but after a car like your previous lexus would you be comfy in a 20+ year old car. What about a supra ma61 with 2jzge glen's is up for sale.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 06:22
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billzilla.org
has all the answers to your questions
and yes he has a beams 3SGE in his ae86
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Mon, 11 April 2005 06:38
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Sweet, thansk for the link, forgot about Bills toys!
Yeah, Ive owned older cars before, its no problem, aslong as it has aircon lol.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 07:34
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ae86 will do everything u want on the track and more
with uprated suspension it handles liek a dream aswell
light nimble and loves to rev in NA form, think of it as a big gocart
1.6 will make 240hp flywheel NA with about 10k
1.6 will make 300hp flywheel FI with about 5k
any 3sge/gte will fit in there, the easiest is a altezza 3s as its rwd, so theres some common ground for you there! 
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 07:59
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MR2 is the go.
Same engine but better traction and quicker responding handling than the AE86. An AW11 with a Beams 3S swap would be an awesome track car I reckon.
The downside of the MR2, two seats only, a bit heavier than the AE86.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 08:07
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and its MR.
a big change but awesome if you can get used to it.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 09:13
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No way u could through a MR2 around as hard as a RWD. Only if you were an advanced driver. Otherwise you would get frustrated.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 09:53
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oh yes sorry MR lol
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Mon, 11 April 2005 23:52
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naa they go like they are on rails around the corners, throw it into corners about as hard as you like and it just eats em up.
a beams powered aw11 would be awesome....
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:01
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 aw11 beams
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:03
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sweet! I like MR2's alot, and Ive seen one particular one, with just susp mods, and a bit of boost, around wakefield, its quick! But, yes, only 2 seater, no boot space etc. Ultimatley, Id want a Beams conversion, is there much work involved? According to Bills site, seems pretty straight forward, with minor fabrication. See the IS200, has got a bit of weight, so its ver forgiving, and it handles really good, I want something similar, but cheaper, and in NA form, to compete, with my Honda buddies.
10k for 240hp @ fly, hmm, a Beams conversion, would cost me about that, for a bit less power, but probably more tourque. And what do they weigh? I hear about 900kg, thats awesome. I have to go for a drive in one... Garth?? hehehe
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:07
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| davedave wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:01 |
aw11 beams
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Thats possible???!
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:14
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:07 |
| davedave wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:01 |
aw11 beams
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Thats possible???!
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Of course it is. I've got a Gen3 3SGTE in my AW11.
The late model SW20 actually came with a Beams 3SGE.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:18
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definatly possible, there are a few 3sgte powered aw11's or sw11's runniong around here. so there should be no real limitation to putting a beams 3s into one... get yourself a beams sw20 rear cut and start pulling stuff apart 
weight wise they are a little heaver then you'd expect.. mine is 1100kg with about 30L of fuel in it (40L tank)
the NA is a bit lighter then the SC. 1030kg rings a bell...
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:20
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hmmm, but do you get alot of understeer in MR2's, considering there is no weight in the front?
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:23
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| toof wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:18 |
definatly possible, there are a few 3sgte powered aw11's or sw11's runniong around here. so there should be no real limitation to putting a beams 3s into one... get yourself a beams sw20 rear cut and start pulling stuff apart
weight wise they are a little heaver then you'd expect.. mine is 1100kg with about 30L of fuel in it (40L tank)
the NA is a bit lighter then the SC. 1030kg rings a bell...
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Sounds good actually, as I like the AW11 shape. But again, no space for anything, what is I want to get it on? lol
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:28
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yeah they do understeer but a good wack on the loud peadal solves that
does it *have* to be na or just non turbo ? the SC is a barrel more fun then the na. the na is great out on the open road keep it spinning above 4grand and its tops but lacks a bit under that which can make it feel a little slack around town. the sc has heaps of punch down low making it feel much quicker around town.
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Tue, 12 April 2005 00:47
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:23 |
Sounds good actually, as I like the AW11 shape. But again, no space for anything, what is I want to get it on? lol
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Trust me, it's not hard to get it on in an aw11  , just not as easy as a car with a back seat.
Understeering can be countered by setting up the suspension properly and doing small mods such as moving the battery up front. From what I've heard they have a 45/55 weight distribution from factory. Toe and camber can be adjusted quite easily, which is a great asset if you're tracking a car.
Jump on mr2oc.com and have a look around, there's a wealth of information from guys who track their car with what combinations of tyres and suspension setups work best.
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Tue, 12 April 2005 03:47
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I think Id rather the ae86, the only thing that turns me off, is all the want to be Takumi's! 
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 03:51
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Take a look at the best motoring video "jdm racers"
That should give you some ideas
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 04:27
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 10:03 |
sweet! I like MR2's alot, and Ive seen one particular one, with just susp mods, and a bit of boost, around wakefield, its quick! But, yes, only 2 seater, no boot space etc. Ultimatley, Id want a Beams conversion, is there much work involved? According to Bills site, seems pretty straight forward, with minor fabrication. See the IS200, has got a bit of weight, so its ver forgiving, and it handles really good, I want something similar, but cheaper, and in NA form, to compete, with my Honda buddies.
10k for 240hp @ fly, hmm, a Beams conversion, would cost me about that, for a bit less power, but probably more tourque. And what do they weigh? I hear about 900kg, thats awesome. I have to go for a drive in one... Garth?? hehehe
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passenger only im afraid. its my ZETA II-S seat that makes it virtually undrivable for ppl over 60kg's ... lol
| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 13:47 |
I think Id rather the ae86, the only thing that turns me off, is all the want to be Takumi's!
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its something you wont even think bout once you own one
its such an awesome car, it scares you now and then but thats just the car training you to be better
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Tue, 12 April 2005 04:28
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I actually been looking for that one, cant find it tho.
What kit is this, this has to be the best one i even seen!'
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Tue, 12 April 2005 04:31
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passenger only im afraid. its my ZETA II-S seat that makes it virtually undrivable for ppl over 60kg's ... lol
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Im out hahaha!
Yeah, as a passenger silly!
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 04:32
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CBY
expensive flares
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:27
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yea this is that aE86 engine
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so is it a beams 3SGE guys?!
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:30
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Its a Beams 3SGE with teh turbo added...
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:30
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its not a beams
its a gen 4 with a different cam cover
and those are CBY flares and std toyota lip and sideskirts
modified front bar and a TRD style duckwing
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:31
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Oh cute
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:31
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why that ruins the point of having the beams for its high compression highly strung NA goodness, do not listen to this man he is wrong wrong i tell you.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:32
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Its got beams cam covers...
Give me a friggin break...
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:45
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Yeah, thats too good, exaclty what I want! Id leave it NA too, but there are plenty of turbo kits available for the beams
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:51
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why get an ae86 p.o.s when you can get a cordia turbo, which looks fooly better than a ae86 and goes f00ly harder bro
broom broom
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:52
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what are u gona do with your car know mate? 
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:54
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| xolent wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 15:51 |
why get an ae86 p.o.s when you can get a cordia turbo, which looks fooly better than a ae86 and goes f00ly harder bro
broom broom
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cos he have to drive round in reverse all day befor it would be truly fully sic.
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:54
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Cordia? WTF? They are ugly, fwd, and its made by Mitsubishi, the pople that make Heaters etc...
deano, is that aimed at me?
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Tue, 12 April 2005 05:58
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speaking of cordia's the first street race i ever witnessed was a cordia versus a corona, broad daylight, and to my surprise when i was like 14 and thought corona's were bombs,it absolutely raped the cordia, the corona only appeared to have slight mod but was starting to do line lockers of the line, both of them were sitting at the lights revving their tits off the cordia rocking back and forth and the corona smoking a bit. Then when the lights when green there was a slight skew from the back of the rona then it shot off. The cordia was a turbo to.
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Tue, 12 April 2005 06:04
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 15:54 |
Cordia? WTF? They are ugly, fwd, and its made by Mitsubishi, the pople that make Heaters etc...
deano, is that aimed at me?
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Yes it would have been...
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Tue, 12 April 2005 06:18
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I have a genuine buyer for my car.
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Wed, 13 April 2005 01:31
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Are you serious??? Send em over bruv! shane.standley@thomson.com
I REALLY love my car too, does everything I want now, power, handling, looks etc, but my life has come to a reality, you know, the woman side of things, the property side of things etc. Its like a brother, is going to leave me!!
SEND THE VIDEOS!!!!
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Wed, 13 April 2005 08:33
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lol alright man i think i have 2 only go for about 15 seconds each but they are good
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Wed, 13 April 2005 08:55
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sent mate i only had 1 sorry!
hope u like it
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Thu, 14 April 2005 01:22
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Thanks alot man/girl hahaha.
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Thu, 14 April 2005 05:30
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 11:22 |
Thanks alot man/girl hahaha.
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huh? 
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Thu, 14 April 2005 05:49
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list of body mods for that grey sprinter:
J-blood rear pods
GT-APex Skirts
Cut away Zenki bar with GT-Apex Front lip
East Bear Aero Mirrors
TRD Rear Wing
kouki parker but zenki headlights and grill? interesting mod there
East Bear Front Bar Clear Indicators
CBY Flares
looks like konig rewinds with massive dish, but there are many sorts of that style rim over there
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Thu, 14 April 2005 05:56
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hey shiri do u actually know about this car or are u just going off observation i want to see more pics of it
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Thu, 14 April 2005 05:57
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its very nice, thanks for that info Shiri, i suppose they wouldnt be cheap?
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Thu, 14 April 2005 06:34
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this is nice too, how the hell, does he get so much dish on it?? mmm s2k motor!
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Thu, 14 April 2005 12:54
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hey shiri would u mind putting some more pics of the
grey one up please i think im in love
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Fri, 15 April 2005 04:51
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yeah, or any other pics for that matter!!!
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Fri, 15 April 2005 04:59
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| ShiRi wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 17:51 |
the grey sprinter is just an private entry by a guy in japan... its obviuosly tuned by a garage but privately owned... i have more pics at home... and yes, it would cost a packet... around 1000-2000 just for all that
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 14:28 |
I actually been looking for that one, cant find it tho.
What kit is this, this has to be the best one i even seen!'
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this car is an american owned JDM import. owned by PJ Bonifacio, who is 100% *not* japanese and is the proprietor of a smash repair shop in cali, not a garage and the car is not privately owned.
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Fri, 15 April 2005 05:11
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o haha... im dead wrong then 
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Re: Opinions on AE86 for track
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Fri, 15 April 2005 05:18
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cant have this mis-information going around can we?
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Fri, 15 April 2005 06:14
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yeah, its awesome, subtle things, in that pic, like t he visualisation of the bride seats, just make it, one of the best Ive seen. The funny thing is tho, I thought all american 8-6's were trueno style??
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