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Johnny Blade
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RWD 3S-FE Tue, 12 April 2005 19:43 Go to next message
There's a lot of RWD 3S-GE out here and the problem seams to be the pickup/pan and the oil evacuation from the head (when it is in straight position). Have the FE-head the same problem with the oil?
Have anyone built a RWD 3S-FE?
I'm planning to change my 3Y-C to a 3S-FE (YR21 automatic).
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Wed, 13 April 2005 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The 3SFE was a useless engine anyway.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Wed, 13 April 2005 03:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Wed, 13 April 2005 03:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The 3SFE is not so useless, get a sv21 camry-3sfe and a st162-3sge celica, install full exhaust system with extractors throw them on the dyno, and you are getting only 3kw@wheels less from a 3sfe, on the road 3 kw@wheels is not a world of difference.


...and [absolute] just watch the language mate, that could get you kicked off the forums.

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Wed, 13 April 2005 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i THINK they came in the toyota spacia mini van RWD too

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Fri, 15 April 2005 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
benmeyer wrote on Wed, 13 April 2005 11:43

The 3SFE was a useless engine anyway.


you're a usless, but you dont see anyone else giving you negative feedback... Rolling Eyes

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Fri, 15 April 2005 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The FE motor was designed for better response down low in the rev range. I notice this a lot when I drive our Rav4 (3S-FE) compared to the Celica. The FE definetly has more torque down the bottom but doesn't pull much (if at all) above 4000rpm whereas this is where the 3S-GE is just getting up to boogie. Also found that you need to push the 3S-GE harder just to keep up with traffic due to the lack of power down low (comparatively).

The wiring for an FE is a little less complicated than the GE, but I think if you did this conversion you would be disappointed with the end result seeing as with a little more effort you could have a bit more of a 'racey' engine.

My 2c.

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sat, 16 April 2005 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smt_007 wrote on Wed, 13 April 2005 13:37

The 3SFE is not so useless, get a sv21 camry-3sfe and a st162-3sge celica, install full exhaust system with extractors throw them on the dyno, and you are getting only 3kw@wheels less from a 3sfe, on the road 3 kw@wheels is not a world of difference.


...and [absolute] just watch the language mate, that could get you kicked off the forums.


correct me if i'm wrong but
3sge gen 1 = 103kw
3sfe = 86kw
I think the difference would be a bit more than 3kw at the treds.
then the gen 2 3sge have more powah again. If you were doing an engine conversion i'd doubt you'd bother with a gen 1.

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sat, 16 April 2005 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rob-ae86 wrote on Wed, 13 April 2005 14:21

i THINK they came in the toyota spacia mini van RWD too


Yeh it did... not sure if it was a spacia or townace... but I just remember working on a RWD 3s-fe toyota van once before...
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sat, 16 April 2005 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Celica_John wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 13:08


correct me if i'm wrong but
3sge gen 1 = 103kw
3sfe = 86kw
I think the difference would be a bit more than 3kw at the treds.
then the gen 2 3sge have more powah again. If you were doing an engine conversion i'd doubt you'd bother with a gen 1.




3sfe=88kw
3sge=103kw
Yes i know those figures thats why im amazed that the 3sfe has only 3kw less at the wheels, i have seen dyno sheets for both, the standard camry exhaust is extremely restrictive.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sat, 16 April 2005 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I suppose a lot comes into it tho. Like the age of the engine, if it were different dynos etc.

But the restictive exhaust might be the cause of the torque down low that smashed_wombat was talking about.

I was supprised when I found out that my st162 had 2inch exhaust stock.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sun, 17 April 2005 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the camry has the same i was almost in shock when i looked under my old car and saw how big it was!
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Sun, 17 April 2005 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I already have a 3S-FE, and everything is better than a noisy and carbed 3Y Rolling Eyes .
I need a engine that is economical to use and i don't lika that i have to rev the engine so much.

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 18 April 2005 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you can convert the 3sfe to rwd. I know of two such cars running this configuration.

I am about to do the same conversion.

I am using a gemini desiel 5 speed mated to the fe block with a 2s starter motor turning it over. The only thing i need to do is look at a flywheel for the conversion as i would like to keep my gemini clutch setup.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 18 April 2005 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alwaysRA23 wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 07:26

benmeyer wrote on Wed, 13 April 2005 11:43

The 3SFE was a useless engine anyway.


you're a usless, but you dont see anyone else giving you negative feedback... Rolling Eyes


Thankyou for clarifying that I am "a useless".
If you can't handle negative comments in an open forum, perhaps you should be posting your rosy ideas elsewhere. Meanwhile, I will again state my opinion that the 3SFE is a boat anchor.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 18 April 2005 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[Updated on: Sat, 16 April 2005 18:22] by Moderator...



and maybe since this guy has picked up an engine that is better quality than his 3Y which is indeed more likely to be a usefull boat anchore. than you should not piss on his parade, and stick to your " how do i take my tint off " threads.... Rolling Eyes
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 18 April 2005 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I feel so much more secure to know that you are monitoring my every move on this forum. Get over it mate.
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 25 April 2005 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
F|sh wrote on Mon, 18 April 2005 07:33

you can convert the 3sfe to rwd. I know of two such cars running this configuration.

I am about to do the same conversion.

I am using a gemini desiel 5 speed mated to the fe block with a 2s starter motor turning it over. The only thing i need to do is look at a flywheel for the conversion as i would like to keep my gemini clutch setup.

Thanks!
I will have a auto tranny so i have to fit the driveplate to the crank in some way.The 3Y is still in the van so i can't see how good it will mate(probably no good Rolling Eyes )
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Wed, 27 April 2005 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MY 3SFE still has the drive plate on it...

you like PM me
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Johnny Blade
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 08 August 2005 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
So,here I am again.
The 3Y flywheel is 295mm and 115 teeth and so are the 5M flywheel, are there any more flywheels with the same size(maybe same boltpattern to the crank?).
I know i can use a driveplate from a 3S-FE but then it will be problem with the starter.
Here's pics:
http://tcs.teamymse.net/bildgalleri/index.php?cat= 10036


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Johnny Blade
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Mon, 08 August 2005 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
One more thing. Some of the 3S crank have 6 bolts and others 8, with one have 6 bolt?(I have never seen that).
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Re: RWD 3S-FE Fri, 12 August 2005 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the toyota camry blocks have a 6 bolt flywheel my block is a sv-21 auto

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Fri, 12 August 2005 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I have 2 3S-FE from SV21(M/T) both have 8 bolts(1988).

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Re: RWD 3S-FE Fri, 12 August 2005 23:29 Go to previous message
3kw very doubtful.... i drove my 162 wen it was n/a and a m8 drove my mums 5 speed sv21... the celica shat all over it, i find 3kw very very hard to believe

the sv21 gear ratios are better though ill give it that sits 300rpm lower on a 100 than the celica box did

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