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vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 02:51
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ive just been reading an article from the UK about putting a 3vz into a mk1 mr2 (crazy bastards), anyway, the guy used a 3s-gte gearbox to bolt to the 3vz, now....as we all know, a 2s bellhousing and w5x box (ignoring other changes) makes a 3s-gte rwd......does this mean that a vz engine would be able to be converted to rwd with just a 2s bellhousing and w5x block? (again ignoring flywheel/starter/manifolds etc)
basically im just being one of the annoying curious people, and want to know if anyone can confirm/deny this?
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I supported Toymods
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November 2003
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 03:05
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I'm not so sure on that.
From what I've heard the 3SGE and the 1MZFE tranny's are the same, but I'm not sure about the VZFE tranny's.
There are RWD VZFE's in Prado's and Hilux's.
They have 4WD boxes obviously, but I'm not sure what ones.
The auto's have the A340E variant, so any RWD auto can be used with the VZFE bellhousing.
As for the manual, if they use the R150F then you can use the R154 with a small adaptor.
But if they use the bigger H150F you are screwed.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 07:45
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V6 Hilux's use the R15x boxes.
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Canberra, ACT
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September 2002
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 08:02
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if it were in an mr2 it wouldn't be setup as rwd, unless a large chunk of metal were hacked out and the engine setup as north-south 
more realistically they potentially could have used just about any east-west box designed to fit up to a VZ block, perhaps with a bespoke or modified bellhousing
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 08:04
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Or a Camry bellhousing, since the older Camry V6 used a VZ engine...
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 08:08
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the mr2 was east-west obviously, using a standard 3sgte manual gearbox and bellhousing
wot i am trying to find out is whether this means that a 2s bellhousing will bolt up to a 2/3vz-fe, given that a 3sgte can be converted to rwd using this bellhousing and a w5x. im assuming it means it will, but im looking for some confirmation
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 13:43
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hey guys dumb question which engine is a vz-fe? whast its specs and what did it come in?
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 13:50
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VZ series (V6, belt, 2.5-3.0L, 1987-): Camry, Tacoma
Engine Type Valv/Cyl Year Disp. BHP Torque Bore Stroke CR stock boost+other remarks
1VZ-FE DOHC 4 87- 1992* 138@6000 128@4600 78 69.5 9.6:1
2VZ-FE DOHC 4 87-89 2507 153@5600 155@4400 3.44 2.74 9:1
2VZ-FE DOHC 4 88-91 2507 159 159 3.44 2.74 9:1 AUS
2VZ-FE DOHC 4 90 2507 158@5800 152@4600 3.44 2.74 9:1
3VZ-E SOHC 3 90 2958 141@4600 177@3400 87.5 82 9:1
3VZ-E SOHC 3 90 2958 150@4800 180@3400 87.5 82 9:1 US version/4-Runner
3VZ-FE DOHC 4 87-90+ 2958 ? ? 87.5 82
3VZ-FE DOHC 4 93 2958 189 199 87.5 82
3VZ-FE DOHC 4 95 2958 200@5800 204@4600 87.5 82
5VZ-FE DOHC 4 96 3378 178@4600 225@3600 93.5 82 9.6:1
5VZ-FE DOHC 4 96 3378 180 224 93.5 82 9.6:1
5VZ-FE DOHC 4 95-97 3378 190@4800 220@3600 93.5 82 9.6:1
5VZ-FE DOHC 4 97-98 3378 185@4800 218@3600 93.5 82 9.6:1
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 14:16
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thanks CrUZsida
a 3L v6 into a little MR2? man that would be a tight fit, I want to see pics if can be done!
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 14:43
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I'm pretty sure the 1MZFE has been done into SW20 MR2's before.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 15:41
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| CrUZsida wrote on Fri, 29 April 2005 00:13 |
I'm pretty sure the 1MZFE has been done into SW20 MR2's before.
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There is a guy in the US who put a V6 into a AW11, then pulled that out and fitted a northstar V8.
After a quick google...
http://www.v8mr2.com
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 11:57
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The 3VZ is actually being put into an AW11 in England. The V8 one is being done by the owner of the MR2OC forum, but it is on hold while he finishs a 3SGTE AW11 for their big MR2 show.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 02:13
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Yes the vz series engine can become RWD very easily. I was researching a V6 conversion for my celica. The V6 hiluxes and 4runners use a 3VZ-E engine which is a V6 single cam RWD engine brother to the 3VZ-FE which is the 3L quad cam engine found in the wide body camry or 2VZ-FE which is a 2.5L quad cam found in the SV21's.
So what you have to do is get a hold of the bellhousing from the V6 hilux or 4runner. The manual bellhousing will suit a R154 or a R150 for RWD or go the auto bellhousing and use an A340 variant. It bolts up to a 3VZ-FE just fine - i tried it.
Im not too sure about the MZ series engine. Thats the one i wanted but had trouble finding an engine a wreckers to see if the bellhousing would it. Most wreckers and not even interested or tell you all sorts of stories. I never actually found out if they share the same bellhousing bolt pattern. I was told they are a ompletely different engine but found some contradicting info on the net somewhere.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 02:51
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Yes they are definitely a completely different engine. VZ is the old cast iron block V6, MZ is the new alloy-block engine built to replace it. That's not to say the bellhousings aren't compatible though! I also would be very interested to find out... 1MZ's are very sweet engines and would rip in a Celica.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 03:26
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I'm 90% sure the MZ uses the same bellhousing as S
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 05:45
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The MZ bolts up to the E153 3S-GTE box in the MR2. However the bolt pattern isn't the "same", some of the holes don't line up and the box isn't attached by as many bolts as it is meant to be.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 06:13
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| CrUZsida wrote on Fri, 29 April 2005 00:43 |
I'm pretty sure the 1MZFE has been done into SW20 MR2's before.
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A mate of mine here in Kuala Lumpur has one.
Goes very well indeed.
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January 2005
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 12:26
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Look at me sig 
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sat, 30 April 2005 22:13
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Fr3ak's sig is where i saw the link  anyone have any idea wot a 3vz-fe weighs? compared to a 2t say?
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Melbourne, Australia
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March 2005
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Sun, 01 May 2005 01:50
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| Joshstix wrote on Sat, 30 April 2005 15:45 |
The MZ bolts up to the E153 3S-GTE box in the MR2. However the bolt pattern isn't the "same", some of the holes don't line up and the box isn't attached by as many bolts as it is meant to be.
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Ok..im not entirely sure about that.
The 3VZFE comes with the E153 5 Speed from FACTORY. The E153 used in the MR2 is the same gearbox, but with relocated shifter linkages and diff synchros/ratios.
The VZ and MZ uses the SAME bolt pattern..that is..the E153 will bolt up to a VZ and MZ exactly the same way. I don't think the MR2 boxes used a different gearbox bellhousing. They may have..but i've ever heard of it..all that ive heard is that there all interchangable.
To some it up..
- All V6 bellhousing are the same (2VZ. 3VZ, 1MZ)
- The 3VZ comes with the E153 Standard
- The E153 will bolt up to a 2VZ, 3VZ, 1MZ and 3S.
- I dnt think there are any differences btw VZ and S sereis E153 options..apart from those listed above.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Mon, 08 August 2005 11:03
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would a w5* hold up behind one of these?
or would it be best not to muk about and just go a r15*?
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Mon, 08 August 2005 11:37
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In NA form, W5x is more than enough.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Mon, 08 August 2005 12:13
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say w50 from a 18rgu?
so we have any info on the viability of a s bellhousing?
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Mon, 08 August 2005 12:42
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I am just about to start doing a RWD 3VZFE conversion to an RT81. I will be using a W50 box, but I'll need to make an adaptor plate.
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Re: vz-fe rwd?
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Mon, 08 August 2005 20:50
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picsobahn!
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