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cambo
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2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 09:35
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Some guy in a white ae82 came in to work the other day claiming he had a 2l 20v unless he had no water jackets and severly strooooooooked crank i rather doubt it. End of my rant and when he drove it up the road i went no where.
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I supported Toymods
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sydney.au
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August 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 09:42
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doubtful man
4age piston walls are super thin
unless hes running a some LONG ASS stroke i doubt it
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 09:44
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maybe 1 oval piston ?  
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 10:03
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extra 400cc comes from the stickers on the front guards and and the unused space between the guys ears.
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
Registered:
September 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 11:06
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told him not to put toyota badges on his pulsar sss 
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Location:
Sydney, OZ
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May 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 11:31
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The closest to a 20V are a 1.9L sold by speedracer (PBR specialist) check them out
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Sydney, OZ
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May 2002
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 13:13
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| thechuckster wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 20:03 |
extra 400cc comes from the unused space between the guys ears.
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that really cracked me up!
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 14:44
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i suppose you could make a 2ltr 20v if you are usin a 7afe block with a 20v head and then you bored/stroked that. Ray Hall engineering made a 1.8ltr 20v turbo aw11 mr2 this way.
You could also make it by putting a spacer between the head and the block like os giken did to make the 3ltr rb26 (or rb30) motor and the 2ltr 2zzf whatever its name is celica motor. This is uber expensive tho so i doubt it. Using the 7afe block sounds the cheapest way to do it.
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Location:
Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 22:25
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either that or he's full of the proverbial ?
i think a few of the european manfuacturers have made 2L bottom ends witha 20V head... Fiat comes to mind as does vw/audi ?
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Wed, 27 April 2005 23:38
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Doesn't nissan make a 2lt 20V called the SR20-VE or somethin of the sorts? I think the most likly story is that he is full of shit though
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Location:
Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:07
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As someone said previously, the closest thing is a 7AGE 20V...... Maybe he's rounded it up? Why you would go to the effort and expense of building one of these engines and put it in an AE82 is beyond comprehension IMO though!
Either that or he's full of shit - most likely methinks.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:30
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| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 00:44 |
You could also make it by putting a spacer between the head and the block like os giken did to make the 3ltr rb26 (or rb30) motor and the 2ltr 2zzf whatever its name is celica motor. This is uber expensive tho so i doubt it. Using the 7afe block sounds the cheapest way to do it.
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LOL , so a thicker head gasket make for more swept volume? no respectable.. well no-one would use a spacer between head and block to stroke a motor as you have a JOIN for the rings to slide over at high speed = premature engine death.
extra capacity ONLY comes from longer stroke (ie new crank), or larger bore (new pistons)..
Cya, Stewart
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:51
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 10:30 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 00:44 |
You could also make it by putting a spacer between the head and the block like os giken did to make the 3ltr rb26 (or rb30) motor and the 2ltr 2zzf whatever its name is celica motor. This is uber expensive tho so i doubt it. Using the 7afe block sounds the cheapest way to do it.
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LOL , so a thicker head gasket make for more swept volume? no respectable.. well no-one would use a spacer between head and block to stroke a motor as you have a JOIN for the rings to slide over at high speed = premature engine death.
extra capacity ONLY comes from longer stroke (ie new crank), or larger bore (new pistons)..
Cya, Stewart
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http://www.otomoto.com.au/nissangtr.htm
It can be done, but for $26k, you'd have to be nuts!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:56
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but that has a longer stroke crank AND matching CYLINDER LINERS. the spacer is there to match the extra length of the cylinder liners which match the extra stroke of the crank.
Cya, Stewart
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:58
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 10:56 |
but that has a longer stroke crank AND matching CYLINDER LINERS. the spacer is there to match the extra length of the cylinder liners which match the extra stroke of the crank.
Cya, Stewart
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Obviously. Thanks for putting it in caps Stuart. :oP
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Location:
Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 01:05
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Maybe a 7A block, 82mm bore, and a 1ZZ crank (apparently they fit with some mods) at 91.5mm stroke.
That's 1932cc's.
Or just fit a 3SGE as that's much easier and cheaper.
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 01:15
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 10:30 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 00:44 |
You could also make it by putting a spacer between the head and the block like os giken did to make the 3ltr rb26 (or rb30) motor and the 2ltr 2zzf whatever its name is celica motor. This is uber expensive tho so i doubt it. Using the 7afe block sounds the cheapest way to do it.
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LOL , so a thicker head gasket make for more swept volume? no respectable.. well no-one would use a spacer between head and block to stroke a motor as you have a JOIN for the rings to slide over at high speed = premature engine death.
extra capacity ONLY comes from longer stroke (ie new crank), or larger bore (new pistons)..
Cya, Stewart
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You have obviously been hiding under a rock somwhere.
Its not a thicker head gasket it is a billet alluminum 30mm spacer with water jackets and oil galleries machined into it. But its not only that its a complete new bottom end. The longer rods allow for a square borw stroke ratio of 86\86 i was trying not to go into too much detail just the general gist.
But i guess some people have to put people down to make themselves look smart huh
If you doubt what im saying check the web site out.
http://www.otomoto.com.au/nissangtr.htm
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 03:03
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| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 11:15 |
You have obviously been hiding under a rock somwhere.
Its not a thicker head gasket it is a billet alluminum 30mm spacer with water jackets and oil galleries machined into it. But its not only that its a complete new bottom end. The longer rods allow for a square borw stroke ratio of 86\86 i was trying not to go into too much detail just the general gist.
But i guess some people have to put people down to make themselves look smart huh
If you doubt what im saying check the web site out.
http://www.otomoto.com.au/nissangtr.htm
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go and have a look at that page.. see the LONGER cylinder liners?
rods don't affect bore/stroke ratio 
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It increases stroke to 86mm for a square 86mm/86mm bore/stroke ratio and a capacity of 2996cc.
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look, STROKE  bigger throw crank gives the capacity...
no no, no offense intended, i was just taking the piss
mmm cylinder liners
it sounded like you were saying that the spacer and longer rods give the bigger capacity.
i'm saying it's the longer stroke of the bigger crank, coupled with longer cylinder liners, that give the capacity. the spacer is there to fit the cylinder liners in, and the rods are whatever length is needed to keep the pistons in the liners.. i just meant to clarify these points
meh, it's thursday.... 
i'm smart, S M R T!!
Cya, Stewart
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 03:14
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like i said i was just trying to keep the explination simple in the first post but once again stewart you have proven that you cant help but open your big trap to try and make yourself look good by hijacking a thread.
I was trying making a purposelfull contribution.
Sorry Flem for arguing in your thread.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Thu, 28 April 2005 07:35
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aww does that mean i can't visit you in tokyo?
how did you get an aus spec car into japan? nice work!!
cya, Stewart
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Somewhere on a dirt bowl ...
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August 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sat, 30 April 2005 16:34
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 13:03 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 11:15 |
You have obviously been hiding under a rock somwhere.
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No, in the dish pit at work 
go and have a look at that page.. see the LONGER cylinder liners?
rods don't affect bore/stroke ratio
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Right on. The length of the conrod only effects the piston speed.
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It increases stroke to 86mm for a square 86mm/86mm bore/stroke ratio and a capacity of 2996cc.
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I'd like to know how you got that one cause an 86mm bore and an 86mm stroke gives only 1998cc
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sat, 30 April 2005 22:37
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| towe_001 wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 02:34 |
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It increases stroke to 86mm for a square 86mm/86mm bore/stroke ratio and a capacity of 2996cc.
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I'd like to know how you got that one cause an 86mm bore and an 86mm stroke gives only 1998cc
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did you calculate for a 4 cyl or 6 cyl?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sat, 30 April 2005 22:50
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| towe_001 wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 02:34 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 13:03 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 11:15 |
You have obviously been hiding under a rock somwhere.
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No, in the dish pit at work
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wtf? no, no, i was hiding at uni getting a PhD and then converting my 36 year old car to fuel injection....
like many people here, the guy is obviously full of shit.. either that or he traded a GTR for the engine mods
oh, and there's "keeping an explanation simple" and "misinformation"
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Its not a thicker head gasket it is a billet alluminum 30mm spacer with water jackets and oil galleries machined into it. But its not only that its a complete new bottom end. The longer rods allow for a square borw stroke ratio of 86\86 i was trying not to go into too much detail just the general gist.
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so you mean to say it has a longer throw crank? less words.. more detail.... no need to get uppity.
(hmm, making myself look good by arguing with the lowest common denominator? i think not...)
Cya, Stewart
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Sydney
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November 2003
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sun, 01 May 2005 01:35
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no one has even mentioned that u prolly wwouldnt even be able to close the bonnet hahaahah. or maybe he had a torana like blower thing scoop on top?? hahahhhaha
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Somewhere on a dirt bowl ...
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August 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sun, 01 May 2005 06:03
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| Benjamin wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 08:37 |
| towe_001 wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 02:34 |
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It increases stroke to 86mm for a square 86mm/86mm bore/stroke ratio and a capacity of 2996cc.
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I'd like to know how you got that one cause an 86mm bore and an 86mm stroke gives only 1998cc
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did you calculate for a 4 cyl or 6 cyl?
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I did for a 4 banger. While a 6 comes out at 2997cc but anyways
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Somewhere on a dirt bowl ...
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August 2004
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Re: 2.0L 20v !!!!!
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Sun, 01 May 2005 06:27
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[quote title=oldcorollas wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 08:50]| towe_001 wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 02:34 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 13:03 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 11:15 |
You have obviously been hiding under a rock somwhere.
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No, in the dish pit at work
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Look at that i put the quote in the wrong spot ! Sorry stewie
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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i think the stickers win it