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March 2004
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front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 11:46
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What are some things you can do to make a front wheel drive launch better off the mark? My corolla is very slow off the mark, even for a FWD
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Location:
campbelltown
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April 2005
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 11:50
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 learn to drive a fwd 
what is the suspension setup like ???? it all comes down to throttle to clutch ratio you realy have to learn what your car wants every car is different. good luck , try to experament more like just redlin e it and drop it then go back from there till your happy.. thats how i done it. when you get it right its a good feeling
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Location:
Wollongong
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January 2005
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 11:51
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In my car i wish i had really stiff springs. This would stop the weight transition.
When people drag FR cars, they like to fit 90/10 shocks. I wonder if 10/90's would be suitable for FF drag?
Other than that, fit wide-arse tyres and give it plenty of revs.
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 13:03
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bigger front tyres, i lol when i see a fwd with bigger rear tyres
ie. 185 at the front with 195 at the back on a civic 
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 13:04
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wheely bars help to stop the weight transition but then its not really a street car anymore
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 13:45
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I read that Whiteline make anti-lift kits for FWD cars to reduce the weight transfer rearward on launch. Side effect is that the car will tend to dive more when braking. Probably not recommended unless you're building a specialised drag racing car?
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Location:
tallahassee FL usOFa
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May 2002
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Re: front drive dragging
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Wed, 04 May 2005 13:47
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My corolla is very slow off the mark
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sorry, can you give me a clue. is this about engine power, or wheel/s spin, or clutch slip, or launch style/technique.
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Location:
wollongong
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 00:01
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| allencr wrote on Wed, 04 May 2005 23:47 |
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My corolla is very slow off the mark
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sorry, can you give me a clue. is this about engine power, or wheel/s spin, or clutch slip, or launch style/technique.
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It's slow because it gets hardly any traction. And i've tried every technique for getting it off the mark. In my friends integra you can dump the clutch from 6000rpm and it only wheelspins a little bit then grips hard and accelerates. He can pull 2 car lengths on me just off the launch. In my car if you drop the clutch from 3000rpm it will just sit there and smoke the front wheels. You have to be so careful letting the clutch up not to start spinning.
I know FWD cars don't launch very good at the best of times but my car is seriously bad. It only has stock suspension and wheels at the moment, what would be the best value mod i can do to improve traction? Would wider front tyres and stiffer rear springs help?
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 00:09
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what type of corolla do you have, cause unless its a new sportivo or a very worked 4age, the type R will still woop you to start off with, ten bucks says the type R has much better front tyres for a start and suspension.
Look into better shocks springs etc, these help keep the wheel in contact with the road, and stiffer springs will help to stop the weight transfer, after that if whiteline make an anti lift kit try that. Personally though why are you racing a type R
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May 2002
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 01:14
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New front shocks, properly matched to the springs will make an enormous difference. Wide, soft tyres will have obvious benefits.
In the Celica, I found I had to slip the clutch at the tyre's traction limit, until the front had risen as far as it was going to. Only then could I let the clutch fully engage (slight chirp) and proceed to feed the throttle in.
I couldn't tell you what sort of revs at what point in the process - It's ALL feel. You'll know it when you've got it: no wheelspin, minimum chirping, Engine stepping cleanly straight from the clutch-slip into the start->middle of it's Torque band.
Very satisfying, very quick (relative to a messy start).
Use less revs and less throttle, and you can nail the same kinda start in the wet too.
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Location:
Perth
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October 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 01:16
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 08:09 |
ten bucks says the type R has much better front tyres for a start and suspension.
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And a LSD.
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 01:26
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For starters just get some awesome tyres.
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May 2002
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 01:32
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For starters just get some awesome tyres.
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"Bob Jane all-rounders" spring to mind
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Location:
Wollongong
Registered:
January 2005
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 01:44
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When i first got my car it had 205/65/R15 family BS tyres on it. You could never use full throttle in first gear, or you'd sit there and spin the wheels, no matter if you were rolling or whatever.
So then i bought 225/60/R15 Potenza GIII's. It was really difficult to get wheelspin with these on. Only problem was, they wore out in 19 k's.
If you're deadset about dragging your standard rolla, just 'over tyre' it.
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Location:
Melb, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 02:14
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Did i miss something.. where did he say he was racing a Type R? 
Mate, just get some decent tyres first off and then look at your suspension.what type of corrola is it and what motor do you have?i find it hard getting off the line in my fwd turbo, but i just got new tyres and it made a massive difference,as expected. 
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Location:
wollongong
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March 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 05:19
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 10:09 |
Personally though why are you racing a type R
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It's not a type R, it's an '86 integra SX 16 with 63kw @ wheels.
My car is an AE82 20v, I can absolutely kill him in acceleration when i get moving, but can't keep up off the start.
What size rims do i need for 225/60/R15 Potenza GIII's
At the moment i have crap tyres and 14 inch rims.
Also has anyone had experience with the Whiteline handling package for like $1500 Is it worth it or is it a waste of money?
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 05:27
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probably nat rim with a width of 6.5 to 7 inch to get that rubber on.
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May 2002
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 05:35
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What size rims do i need for 225/60/R15 Potenza GIII's
At the moment i have crap tyres and 14 inch rims.
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A 15" rim would be a good start the rim would ideally be 7" or wider for a 225 (7 or 8 inch is about right. Pretty sure it would be a struggle to get a 225 wide tyre under the guard of an AE82.
There are plenty of nice grippy tyres on the market that would fit your 14" rims in about a 195 width. 15" would have more available but I am assuming you aren't after a new set of rims?
Even just some newer tyres will probably make a big difference as old tyres harden and lose grip too.
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Location:
Wollongong
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January 2005
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 07:25
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You probably don't want 60 profile 15" tyres on your Corolla.
Find out what your stock overall rolling diameter is (so you don't change the speedo readings) and then find a GIII in that size.
I'm guessing a 205/60/R14 would be good for you. But your stock rims might not be wide enough. In that case, go the 195/60/R14's.
PLEASE keep in mind the GIII's wear out fast! And they are expensive.
BTW, i had my 225's on a 6inch rim. Not ideal, but they did fit.
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Location:
Wollongong
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 08:08
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i dont know how hard your car goes but you may also want to think about the drivetain.
My sisters b/f has a 10sec Honda Civic, it is equipped with wheelie bars, big slicks under flared guards, stripped interior and a very radical anti-lift kit. lots and lots of power also helps though.
but by far his biggest problem is the CV shafts. launching a FWD without spinning places huge strain on them. causing a very early bang munch pull over f@#k shit f*%k.
i think a change of tyres would be the best upgrade without going to extremes of body mods.
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Location:
wollongong
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 09:35
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I don't think i have to worry about breaking CV joints yet with the massive torque of the 20v behind them (not)
At the moment i only get about 3-4000k's out of a set of front tyres Surely they would last longer than that, and they won't spin as much so they can't wear out as quick.
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: front drive dragging
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Thu, 05 May 2005 10:45
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It sounds like you need practice at throttle control.
I don't know if it's quicker but try different techniques instead of the clutch dump from 3000rpm.
Put your car in gear, hand brake up. Hold the revs up to I don't know... say 1500 - 2000 RPM. Slowly release the clutch and feel the friction point where the car wants to move but the hand brake holds it. When you launch drop the hand brake, gradually release the clutch while you gradually increase the throttle. Gradually ie in ratio, not just flooring or dumping anything.
It should feel like being launched from a slingshot but alas, different engines have different characteristics and this might not be the technique for you.
This would reduce the life of your clutch substancially but what you decide to do to your car is your business.
Hope you find this post of help
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
November 2003
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sat, 07 May 2005 01:21
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this is off the track a lil but i was reading a review on the peugeot 306 gti's and they said that the best way the figured out to get it off the line is to redline it and dump it lol - poor drive train 
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sat, 07 May 2005 02:26
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yea my dad and the S16 version (only 5speed and slighly less power 116kw as apposed to 123kw) and redline is like 9000rpm if u wana push it
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Location:
Rockhampton QLD
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sat, 07 May 2005 09:40
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maybe your rear brakes are sticking?
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sat, 07 May 2005 09:54
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| kewp wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 19:35 |
I don't think i have to worry about breaking CV joints yet with the massive torque of the 20v behind them (not)
At the moment i only get about 3-4000k's out of a set of front tyres Surely they would last longer than that, and they won't spin as much so they can't wear out as quick.
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my mate has a 20v aw11 and he has destroyed 3 cv`s so far so its something to worry about
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sat, 07 May 2005 09:58
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| domasik wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 10:44 |
remember ull launch faster if ur tyres are breaking traction
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riiiight 
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: front drive dragging
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Sun, 08 May 2005 05:15
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ARENTTTTTTTTTTTT
i left out the TTTTT sorrryy
cmon im not that stupid geeez
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