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$4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 03:35
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Hey guys, i heard from someone a few months ago that some garage in Queensland (i think) is offering a $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86's. Anyone know if there is any truth in this? Or anything similar in Sydney (preferably)?
Cheers
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 03:36
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I can do it for that much if you bring the car and engine package.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 03:44
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Well i was under the impression that this $4k included an SR20. It wouldn't be freshly rebuilt or anything, just a low k import motor (which would go for about $1500ish i think?)..
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 05:00
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This is a remarkable (unbelievable) price.
The last time I heard of SR20 DET conversion it was quoted @ 8K.
Thought for today - you get what you pay for.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 05:02
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thats a load of shit.
a manual s13 halfcut is almost worth that these days
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 06:06
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at that price, walk out is about right.
not much chance of driving it out.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 06:26
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| shinybluesteel wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 16:06 |
at that price, walk out is about right.
not much chance of driving it out.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 06:42
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u'd be able to drive the car in, he'd put the engine in the boot, take your 4G and say "fuck off now"
$4000 would be for just the convo, plus engine ect
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 07:00
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| Mr DOHC wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 16:42 |
$4000 would be for just the convo, plus engine ect
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Urm.. wasn't that what i was saying?
Anyway, i was only saying that this was something someone told me, not that it was necesserily the case.
Whilst we're on the topic, does anyone know how much (roughly) a drive-in drive-out 4AGZE conversion would be?
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 07:07
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for an ae86?
if this is the case, $4000 for a properly prepared and done job...
if you do it yourself, a WHOLE lot less id imagine.
Eldar.O.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 07:55
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4k for labour and materials maybe
not including engine and gbox
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 08:16
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For a 4agze in a ae86, i'd say about $5.5-7k for the whole lot. motor/gbox/labour etc.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 08:22
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4agze shouldnt be that much maybe 3-4k
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 08:48
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| Aust162 wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 16:16 |
For a 4agze in a ae86, i'd say about $5.5-7k for the whole lot. motor/gbox/labour etc.
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its a bolt in swap?
i seriously doubt they would need that much to fit surge tank and efi loom and shit...
unlesss that included new T-18 diff and a supra 5 speed to handle the extra powah!
Eldar.O.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 09:32
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4000 would get you a GZE or 20v install (including engine) from anthony kellam
but i dont know if he still does work now his workshops closed
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 09:55
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prob u dont realise is with the 4agze or 20v into a sprinter
for a workshop to do them u have more mods than a normal fwd gorolla
20v u need the dizzy modified
or cut firewall whixh is illegal
4agze u need to fuk round with intalke and intercooler and uperchagrer hoses
i know this cause i wired a 4agze into a sprinter on thurs
shit like this for a proper workshop to do proffesionally
not shit takes time
the one i did they got a 100kw manifold and modded it to fit to a 4agze and that made the intercoioler plumbing easier but still not easy
4agze say theyre bout 2000 maybe
fititing plus efi fuel system plus radiator plus accel cable easy another 1000 to 1500
then u have intercooler
the wiring was a pain in the ass
like any wiring job from a fwd engine into rwd trim its bit longer to do
but if u want a job done properly and proffessionally and an engineers certificate
add about 1000 to 2000 ontop on any reasonable quote
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 11:10
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To quote sideshow -
Motor - 2K
EFI - 1500
Intercooler + piping - 1500
"incidentals" inc engineers cert - 2K
= $7000
Bear in mind that this is for a 4A GZE. It's about right.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 11:46
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| YelloRolla wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 19:10 |
To quote sideshow -
Motor - 2K
EFI - 1500
Intercooler + piping - 1500
"incidentals" inc engineers cert - 2K
= $7000
Bear in mind that this is for a 4A GZE. It's about right.
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i wasnt aware that bending a few pipes would cost over a thousand dollars?!?!?!
and a 20valve will set you back about 1k, plus a box, nowhere near 2k. 1.5 maybe...
meh,
Eldar.O.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 12:13
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yello rolla, my cooler fit would have cost around $750 if i paid for the labour (free due to sponsorhip) and that includes the cost of the intercooler which was a brand new 600x300x77 hyrbid copy, if it were stainless it would have cost $900 MAX...
dont know where $1500 is pulled from
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 12:30
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i wasnt aware that bending a few pipes would cost over a thousand dollars?!?!?!
and a 20valve will set you back about 1k, plus a box, nowhere near 2k. 1.5 maybe...
meh,
Eldar.O.
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Fitting an intercooler involves more than just bending a few pipes - 90deg 2.5" silicon bends cost about $70 each - add 3 of them and $210 is gone. Now figure that a hybrid cooler form autobarn will be in the $600 (an HKS intercooler will cost you over 2K, or in the case of my cooler figure $480 core only and add hand beaten end tanks). Your engine conversion dude will send someone out to pick it up, then they will get it back, remove front bar and grille, manufacture brackets to suit. Sit the cooler in place, determine pipe paths and make any necessary ports in body work. Then fire up the tig welder and weld up an aluminium donut or two, measure and cut some aluminium pipe (about $100/6.5 length incl. delivery), cut bends from the donut (where needed) and sit down at the welding bench and stitch it together. Fit all of the bits to car and re-fit bar (which now needs some cutting with the air saw) and presto.
Approx cost now?
- IC = $600
- Silicone joiners and hose clamps = $250 (to be conservative)
- Materials = $200 (conservative)
- Labour (NOT incl picking up parts) = $540 (6hrs @ $90/hr)
Total - $1590 and that's for a cheap intercooler!
As for your engine cost - does the conversion dude go and get it for you for free, and pass it on at cost because you are good mates and go way back???? I think not. Also figure, parts on the engine are invariably broken OR do not interface with the chosen EFI system.
Stick to doing whatever it is that you do - because I can tell in a heartbeat that you do NOT work for a car modifying shop.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26
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Though it is not true in all things...i think it most definitly is, in car workshops.
you get what you pay for.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 07:54
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if you went an engine with decent power then you have to start thinking of a diff upgrade.
but you also want your car to turn and stop so add brakes and suspension to that.
it all amounts up. .
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 09:42
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Man I'd love to know what shit people are using for intercoolers and pipes if they only cost $750 supplied and fitted. A total piece of shit cheap cooler is like $350, so what you are saying, is that they will fit it, supply silicon hoses, stainless clamps, mandrel bends for pipes, time to fabricate it, cost of tig welding or time to do the job, paint, refit, all for $350?? Wow, you have one seriously cheap workshop, they must be paying their staff like slave labour rates or something!!!
Reallistically and still boody cheap, half of what a workshop would charge, cooler-$400 supplied, materials for pipes including mandrel bends and straight-$200 mild steel, $250 aluminium, labour to fit cooler-$100, labour to fabricate pipes and tig weld-$250, silicon hoses with stainless clamps with NO silicon elbows-$180, add $60 for each bend in silicon. Powder coating or polishing $80, TOTAL $1180 in mild steel and $1230 in aluminium.
Now lets look at bargain basement. This is what it would cost me to do the job. Cooler $320, materials for pipes $150 mild and $200 aluminium, tig welding $80, silicon hoses and clamps $130, powder coating or polishing $80. Total $760 in mild steel and $810 in aluminium PLUS!!!!!!!!! at least a whole days labour, 4-5 phone calls, $30 in postage for materials, $20 in fuel running around with tig welding, polishing etc, and about another 3-4 hours that go into arranging it all, making teh calls, getting little things done, and this is still a shitty little cheap piece of crap intercooler!!
Some people need some serious perspective, speaking personally from about 30 intercooler and pipe installs.
6BOOST
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 09:49
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u can get the hybrid copy for 240 bucks on ebay.. i havnt had one prbolem with it .. they cool good for street use... u cant complain for 240 bucks... and if people say there shit yer they would be when ur flowing 30psi.... but for ur averager 10 - 17 psi theres not one thing wrong with them
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 10:04
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yellorolla.
people sell IC's around here for 200 - 300.
which does in fact match with what MR_1JZ said. since he wouldve paid 500-600 in labour. so $1200 is a decent estimate?
Eldar.O.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 10:13
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the facts dont lie on my install, and its superb quality, i cant wait too see how the cooler goes holding 15-16 pounds of pressure, i would imagine it would cope fine 
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 11:20
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| EldarO wrote on Sun, 08 May 2005 20:04 |
yellorolla.
people sell IC's around here for 200 - 300.
which does in fact match with what MR_1JZ said. since he wouldve paid 500-600 in labour. so $1200 is a decent estimate?
Eldar.O.
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1200 is a decent estimate. And it is not hard to upgrade the cooler and spend a LOT more. As sideshow stated "better to quote a bit high".
The point that I was trying to make is that it is easy to spend 7K on a conversion. Take the 300 off for the intercooler and put it towards a new clutch and you will still spend the same - get the engine cheap and spend the money on brakes, handling or any such other thing that goes with increased performance.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 11:49
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| YelloRolla wrote on Sun, 08 May 2005 19:20 |
| EldarO wrote on Sun, 08 May 2005 20:04 |
yellorolla.
people sell IC's around here for 200 - 300.
which does in fact match with what MR_1JZ said. since he wouldve paid 500-600 in labour. so $1200 is a decent estimate?
Eldar.O.
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1200 is a decent estimate. And it is not hard to upgrade the cooler and spend a LOT more. As sideshow stated "better to quote a bit high".
The point that I was trying to make is that it is easy to spend 7K on a conversion. Take the 300 off for the intercooler and put it towards a new clutch and you will still spend the same - get the engine cheap and spend the money on brakes, handling or any such other thing that goes with increased performance.
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yeah dude, cool.
its amazing how much car parts cost.
so if i wanted to bolt in my hybrid to replace the 2t in my corolla [edit: CELICA, what the fuck am i smoking  ], since its same block, same everything and carby, i wouldnt think it would cost me more than the cost of the crane and the parts i break during the transplant? be it the washer bottle because i crush it or whatever?
Eldar.O.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Sun, 08 May 2005 14:55
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i got a quote the other day for a ca18det conversion drive in drive out $1100 +cost for all parts required.
didn't think it was too bad, but then again mechanics have a way of doubling prices quickly.
just my $0.02
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Mon, 09 May 2005 02:58
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| 45aken wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 00:55 |
i got a quote the other day for a ca18det conversion drive in drive out $1100 +cost for all parts required.
didn't think it was too bad, but then again mechanics have a way of doubling prices quickly.
just my $0.02
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but what does that include? mounting the engine/gearbox and wiring it up?
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Mon, 09 May 2005 03:20
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You can spot the cheap conversions as soon as the owner pops the bonnet. i am not talking about the lack of bling etc i am talking about the cheap and half arsed approch that is usually evident on everything from the wiring to the piping to the welding. Thats on the stuff you can see, get under the dash and it usually starts to look a hell of a lot worse 
The ownwers of these "cheap" conversions are usually the same people who are constantly doing repairs, constantly bodging up the original bodginess, constantly whingeing about how unreliable their car is and can usually be heard uttering comments like:
"nah man it doesn't need a tune the compuda came wif a mad base map and it runs hektik on dat, fuk paying $400 or more for a proper tune bro" then they then drive off down the road in a backfiring/stalling black cloud of smoke. Wikkid
It is possible to do good work on a budget, it is possible to get a shite job for a lot of dollars, but as most people have said. In most cases you get what you pay for!
Listen to guys like Yellorolla and 6boost as they have something that most people on this forum lack, EXPERIENCE in modifying cars and doing engine conversions.
Or just listen to someone who knows a mate with a cousin whos best mate is "Dangerous Dave" and got a 10 second package for $4k drive in drive out etc etc.
Just remember it's all the little things in an engine conversion that add up (especially if you are aiming to do it properly and have a nice, neat, reliable and fully functioning product in the end.
Good luck wif da conversions people.
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Mon, 09 May 2005 03:57
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| YelloRolla wrote on Sat, 07 May 2005 21:10 |
To quote sideshow -
Motor - 2K
EFI - 1500
Intercooler + piping - 1500
"incidentals" inc engineers cert - 2K
= $7000
Bear in mind that this is for a 4A GZE. It's about right.
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And for your $7000 you will have an overheating demon.. Oh hang on.. It still won't run. Sure your "conversion" was about $7000 but... now you need an upgraded cooling system, fuel system and exhaust ! None of which your adverage centrelink perfromance conversion specialist will tell you about til he has finished an asked you for the extra couple of grand your mum won't lend you !
Fuel system-
High volume low pressure pump
Boost suitable high pressure high volume pump
Surge Tank
EFI Fuel line
EFI hose clamps
Brass fittings
Elec trical consumables including relays
You get the picture !
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Re: $4000 walk-in walk-out SR20DET conversion for AE86?
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:20
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nothing wrong with the hybrid/hybrid copy coolers
bang for buck
so cheap and they cool very well
hardly fair to compare it to the likes of hks,arc,trust/greddy..etc
theyre 3x the price.
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