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1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 08:29
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hi all, what sort of power output would i be looking at from the 1ggtte with haltek and slight headwork and balencing ????? what are they like for relyability i dont no to much about them .........
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 09:03
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it's toyota so relyability isn't a problem
They can make around 300 hp so i've been told
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 10:28
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1ggte nismo
with stock turbos u will strugle to make over 180rwkw
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 10:58
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That's not bad though, for stock turbos
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 13:17
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yeah for sure, i wasnt saying that was a bad thing at all 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 05 May 2005 14:13
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You don't need headwork or balancing, it's not an old Gemini engine. 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Fri, 06 May 2005 01:57
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Norbie , I dont suppose that you have any spare centre caps for the wheels in your avitar.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Fri, 06 May 2005 03:52
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Sorry no. Try asking John from ImportBitz.
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Fri, 06 May 2005 07:15
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well I just got a lowly 160rwkw out of mine yesterday, but that wasn't a full power pass, just torque tuning.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Fri, 06 May 2005 08:13
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thats cool what about the supercharged type can you get bout the same sort of power ???? i like the thaught of supercharging...
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Newcastle
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Sat, 07 May 2005 10:36
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at what sort of power do u need to start doing internal work.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Sun, 08 May 2005 11:53
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ive seen 300rwkw outta a stock one gee
its all about the tuning!!!!
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Sun, 08 May 2005 11:56
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I believe 200rwkw is the average power output for a worked 1ggze
some body correct me if i'm wrong.
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February 2004
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 02:29
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get a 1G-GZTE
450hp 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 02:41
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hypothetical question then ...
if you had a stock 1G-GTE (with non-factory ECU & injectors & FMIC) in a track car (Soarer MZ10) doing short races only (10 laps or less) ... what KW output would you be aiming for in regards to good reliability?
definitions: reliable means pull the engine down at the end of the race-year only for a quick head-refresh and rings and only use one set of spare (factory) turbos for when the zorst turbines suddenly fall off. Turbos are assumed to be gen II.
cheers and tia,
Charles.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 03:39
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With the factory turbos and dump pipe, I wouldn't try and push them past about 150rwkw. Yes you can get them to make more power but on a circuit, they don't get a chance to radiate the heat, so turbo life may be the limiting factor. I would hook up some temp sensors and see what sort of a temp you are getting then adjust accordingly.
If you want to go for a more efficient turbo/exhaust set up then the engine should support an easy 200rwkw particularly if you go to the trouble of tidying up the ports and putting sin some more aggresive cams.
Supposedly the inlet manifold starts to choke above about 200-250rwkw. If you want more than that you need to start looking at a complete engine make over anyway.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 03:57
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| gold28 wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 13:39 |
With the factory turbos and dump pipe, I wouldn't try and push them past about 150rwkw. Yes you can get them to make more power but on a circuit, they don't get a chance to radiate the heat, so turbo life may be the limiting factor. I would hook up some temp sensors and see what sort of a temp you are getting then adjust accordingly.
If you want to go for a more efficient turbo/exhaust set up then the engine should support an easy 200rwkw particularly if you go to the trouble of tidying up the ports and putting sin some more aggresive cams.
Supposedly the inlet manifold starts to choke above about 200-250rwkw. If you want more than that you need to start looking at a complete engine make over anyway.
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wow!
If I could get a reliable 150rwkw out of my Soarer with it's 1G-GTE and stock turbos, that would be awesome.
Being a daily driver, I wouldn't want to have it at its very limit though 
What boost would you be looking at running for that kind of power?
I know it's all relative and there's a lot of factors that come into play when talking about something like this, but curiosity has got the better of me.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 03:59
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| Merudo wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 11:57 |
What boost would you be looking at running for that kind of power?
I know it's all relative and there's a lot of factors that come into play when talking about something like this, but curiosity has got the better of me.
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3" exhaust and 14-15psi if you have a Gen3 1GGTE. That should do it, although you might be a little down if it's an auto. That's with the factory IC too.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04
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It's an auto for now...
But manual is coming... 
That's nice though. I think it was indian who got 96rwkw on the dyno in his, not sure if he had a different intake and exhaust or not...
For just upping the boost and having a decent sized exhaust, that's pretty good... even getting 140rwkw would be a pretty awesome improvement 
ahhhh so many things to do to my car, so little money
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:25
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I should chuck mine on the dyno, once I have a decent intercoorah setup going, and see if I get some "decent" power...
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:48
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Sounds good indian.
I'm not too fussed about spending money on making my car go faster at the moment, it goes fast enough for my liking as it is.
$600 that I spend on a boost controller would pay for a lot of the parts I need for my manual conversion...
Plus before I start making it faster I'll want to improve handling and stopping power...
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:53
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| Merudo wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 12:48 |
$600 that I spend on a boost controller would pay for a lot of the parts I need for my manual conversion...
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WTF? What sort of boost controller are you buying?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:56
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HEHEHEH maybe he just took a guess m
merudo u can get the hyperboost controller from one of the guys here forgot his name somene else here might be able to help u there
200 dollars for it , lots of toymods members swear by it
otherwise u can go the bleed valve
but yeah fill me in on the manual conversion
what needs to be done and how much we looking at to get it done and running (lolllllll)
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 04:59
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hmm. Maybe it was a price for something else that I saw... I haven't really been researching prices all that much on items such as boost controllers and the like... I just picked something at random. 
disregard that then! lol
But my point is still there though, other things will come before trying to make my car faster.
Having said that, it's quite interesting to see there is plenty of room to make the 1GGTE faster.
and yeah, it's celicamad off this forum that was selling the hyperboost controller.
mission accomplished though, i feel like an idiot now 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 05:58
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My gen3 made 149rwkw, manual, standard intercooler and a bleed valve that would of cost maybe $50 new. Thats running at 16psi.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 06:39
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i cant wait to get mine on a dyno and tuned up
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 06:43
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Show off 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 08:57
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have any of you folks with mostly stock 1ggte engines got any pics of any dyno runs?
am interested to see where in the rev range the power is so i can think smarter about gearing and diff ratios.
(sorry for the post hijack)
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 09:09
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here is my dyno run at last dyno day
got 142rwkw, gen2 (i think) computer, gen3 turbo's, 3inch exhaust, fmic, boost at about 13-14psi.
Now im just waiting to tune my safc2 to get rid of that stupid Air Fueld Ratio
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/279/graphsmaller7gu.jpg
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 09:47
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sorry to hijack, but while we are on topic how much would power will i be looking at with GT30, 3inch zaust, hi flow air filter with CAI, water to air cooler, pretty big cams, metal head gasket (not that it makes power), after market puter, and bigger injector (any suggestions IM thinking 7M GTE). also is there anything else that ill need to do with the power it should make?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 23:36
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Send it this way indian. My e-mail address is in my profile.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 09 May 2005 23:43
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cheers jcmf i dont have it with me at work , will mail it to you 2morow
then all u guys can see what the hell went wrong with the car and all the dramas assocoited with it lolllllll
cheers
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:22
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For all the soarer owners of the gz20 series or anyone else who can help , what does the POWER/ECON button on the shifter surround do if none of these are engaged the car runs on norm im assuming its got something to do with the fuel but what exactly does it do , also will fitting an safc affect the working of ther buttons in anyway as they are both fuel related (safc and the pwr/norm buttons)
Im guessing once the safc is put in the buttons wont do anything ,
Any help will be awesome guys
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:24
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That button makes the transmission hold the gears longer.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:26
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hmmm so what happens in ecnomy mode transmission changes faster is uppose as per to power ode where u can get more revs
so what happnes if the power and o/d off is used , lollllllllll
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:28
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It holds the gears longer but all the gears are overdriven.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:34
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hehe , so the best way to get the car to go fast would be power , and o/d off and best of all the safc wont affect it
sweet
so when on a dyno should i use the above proceduere to run it
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:35
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Ya.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:37
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mmmmmmm iil keep it in mind for the next run
cheers mate
oh and one more thing what the hell is a apexi super ignition timing controller , and how does it work with the safc to make the car run better
i know sfa about both of them
cheers
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:41
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It just tweaks things to modify the timing as well as the fuel. By the time you start dicking around with both of them, you should be starting to save for an aftermarket ECU. Sure they're more expensive, but even a shit one has a crapload more resolution than either of those interceptors.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:44
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agggh damn it then not too sure what i want to do thats the problem
what about the safc by itself , im just after tryign to get the car running a bit better for the afr as its running like a piggy now plus with the bigger cooler and exhaust it will def run worse , loll
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 00:52
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| gold28 wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 19:29 |
So Josh, did ya get thoes leaks sorted out. When is the tune booked in for?
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yeah all sorted now, turned out the throttle body wasnt fully closed, just working on making it not so loud today and then ill drive it for 1000km or so to make sure its all happy, then up the boost and go get a dyno tune... it seems to go hard on 8psi, damn i cant wait for 20
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 01:42
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So are you getting that stirring feeling in ya loins yet  or is it just me when I get excited........ 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 02:33
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hmm a loud 1g how loud are we talking here , as i will be doing my exhaust soon and dot want extremely loud noise from it as the cops will fry my arse when they get me it doesnt help either when the car is lowered
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 02:39
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| indian wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 10:33 |
hmm a loud 1g how loud are we talking here , as i will be doing my exhaust soon and dot want extremely loud noise from it as the cops will fry my arse when they get me it doesnt help either when the car is lowered
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Don't get a cannon like mine, and you should be alright
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 02:41
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cool , ive alredy got mine its an oval kinda muffler i dont think the canon will suit the soarer so i didnt get one
cheers
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 03:49
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i had a cannon on it that i just took off 30min ago and have put on a normal straight thru 3" muffler, its made it alot better even with less area for it to work with
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Tue, 10 May 2005 05:02
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Cannons sound crap imho A single lukey 2.5-3" muffler is plenty enough.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 05:23
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I will reassess how mine sounds when it's running on 6 cylinders and is missing the pronounced thump it has Meh, it was a cheap stainless muffler
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Tue, 10 May 2005 05:45
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yeah i agree, my cannon cost $75 and sounded awesome... just to loud, gay on 4age's but not to bad on turbo cars
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 05:56
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hey for those guys who are running a safc in their 1g-gte i just want to know weter the ecu will retard the timing when the afr is decreased and vice versa , or will the timing stay at whatever it is set to
just wondering weter i need the sitc or just the safc itself
as i dont plan to go aftermarket ecu
so should i get the sitc and the safc or just get the safc
cheers
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:21
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I could be completely wrong, but as far as i know devices like the SAFC intercept the signal sent to the ecu, giving it different information.
So the ECU should automatically adjust timing as required, you just dont have control of that, whereas if you had the SITC you would have control
warning, could be completely wrong, but that's my interpretation of these devices
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:29
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The S-AFC will modify the AFM signal, which would mean the engine will think it's under less load than it really is. This will reduce the fuel obviously, but will most likely also increase the timing.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:31
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Would the Safc Get rid of the fuel cut so i can run 15psi ?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:35
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so in otherwords its better to get it
is that what all of u are saying
all i know is the safc modifies the fuel curve , but in doing that if the engines changes the timign accordingly then how can the timing that normal mechanics set be constatnt as in it will change wont it
damn
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:38
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| Mookie wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:31 |
Would the Safc Get rid of the fuel cut so i can run 15psi ?
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Sort of yes. The 1G doesn't have a fuel cut like that, it's where the AFM maxxes out the resolution. You could use the S-AFC to fool the engine into thinking it's not as high. That said, I'd personally suggest the Digital Fuel Adjuster from Jaycar instead, cheaper with much more tuning potential.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:40
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| indian wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:35 |
so in otherwords its better to get it
is that what all of u are saying
all i know is the safc modifies the fuel curve , but in doing that if the engines changes the timign accordingly then how can the timing that normal mechanics set be constatnt as in it will change wont it
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The engine modifies fuel and ignition based on all the sensors. The AFM measures the air coming in and therefore load. The S-AFC reduces the voltage coming from the AFM, thus making it think it's not under as much load, thus reducing the fuel it injects and increasing the timing.
The timing that a mechanic would change is just the base timing, then the computer modifies it from there.
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