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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:40
 
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yeah was thinking about the jaycar gadgetry as well
dunno what to do now 
fark
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:42
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Yeh, in the end fuel changing interceptors only do so much. They are still limited because of the nature of most factory ECU's. Best bet is to spend the extra money on an aftermarket ECU imho!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:42
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The Jaycar one shits on an S-AFC in terms of tuning resolution if you aren't afraid of having to build it and set it up.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:46
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Whats the best one for the 1g engine then , and one that easy to tune too lolllll ,
anyone also know how much they cost to buy and to tune as well
cheers
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 06:48
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42 |
The Jaycar one shits on an S-AFC in terms of tuning resolution if you aren't afraid of having to build it and set it up.
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yeah but who the hell can tune the jaycar kit
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 09:09
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| indian wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:48 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42 |
The Jaycar one shits on an S-AFC in terms of tuning resolution if you aren't afraid of having to build it and set it up.
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yeah but who the hell can tune the jaycar kit
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It's not rocket science. All it is is doing the same thing, only there are way more points.
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Brisbane
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 09:51
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Here's the dyno graph from my stock 1GGTE... stock boost, stock cooler, stock exhaust, factory manual:
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 10 May 2005 22:40
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my dear lord 128kw wtf is it a gen 4
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 00:37
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actually, the car wasn't totally stock now I think about it...
It had a K&N pod filter sucking hot air from the engine bay.
Apart from that, all I did to it was change the plugs and oil, then set the timing to 11 degree's base timing. When the car turned up from japan it was set to 5 degree's base and was a total slug to drive off boost. Even at the correct timing it wasn't that great so I ripped it out and installed a 1J.
http://www.rollamods.com/gx81/index.htm
http://www.rollamods.com/gallery/gxjx/index.htm
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Central Coast, NSW
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February 2005
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 01:48
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| indian wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 08:40 |
my dear lord 128kw wtf is it a gen 4
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remember, it's a manual too... our soarers are auto at the moment.
"at the moment" tee hee hee 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 03:07
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yeah but still how can manual get around 30kw more maybe 10-15 is more like what it should be
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 03:47
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Imho 128kw seems almost correct for a stocker!
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 03:59
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shitee damn even more reason to convert to manual
so whats the go with the jaycar fuel adjuster anyone have any good results on it , someone was trying it out here not long ago wasnt it
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 04:01
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I have installed it and touched the idle mixture a bit - it does what it says and does it well. I have not had the time or money to go on a dyno yet and i wanna install a better intercooler before doing that anyway.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 04:03
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so in other words get jaycar dfa as opposed to getting an safc
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 04:07
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my gen2 made 111rwkw so it ain't a big streatch to say a gen3 would do 128.
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Madrid - Spain
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 05:32
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Don't forget, the APEXi SAFC sticker is is good for at least 50kW, whereas a Jaycar DFA sticker probably ain't gonna get you much at all. 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 05:35
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LOLLLL
how much difference in tuning points are we talking about
so any normal mechanic with a dyno should be able to tune this thing u say
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 05:42
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Isn't it like 8 bands on the S-AFC and 128 points on the DFA?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 05:46
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THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE , THAST WILL TAKE AGES TO TUNE , LOLLLLLLLLL
And guys what about the timing issue with the dfa or apexi as a matter of fact , suppose is set the timing to 12 or 15 deg will it still stay the same if I tune the car for the fuel or will it change (bring the timing back to stock) when the ecu detects the afr have changed due to the dfa/safc adjusting it
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 05:51
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You're tuning the load signal into the engine. Therefore the ECU will adjust both fuel and timing, although fuel moreso.
Yeah it could take longer, but it'll be a lot better.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:01
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So that means there no use in changing the timing cause it will be changed by the ecu when the afr is adjusted using the dfa/safc, right
Cause I was told to adjust the timing to about 12 deg(something about putting a pin the te1 terminal or something , when the car is idling ) or more for the car to be a bit more lively off boost as well as on boost im not very sure about it as I don’t know much about timing
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:06
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Dude, that is the base timing. The ECU makes all the changes it does relative to that.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:10
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so whats the base timign used for and what would happen if it was set to 12 or 15 at idle as i mentioned before will it make the car go better off boost or something , lolllll
not too sure about timing mate thanks for the help so far much appreciated
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:25
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It's just the base timing figure. The ECU modifies the timing around this base. So for instance, if the factory decides to add 5 degrees to the timing, at 12 degrees this will be 17 as opposed to 15 for a setting of base 10?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:32
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so is there any point in modifying the factory base timing ???
obviously the cars going to idle faster any other bonuses
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:39
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Lolll , never mind just realised after post , that if the base timing is modified the ecu wil,have a higher base timing to play around with and modify when needed , therefore giving a bit more power I suppose
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:40
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Correct, you just answered your own question
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:42
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cheers dude thanks for the help so far its been awsome
its only with people like you that people like me will learn hehehehe 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:44
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Haha, I don't mind so long as there is a methodical approach to things and people ask constructive questions. There is still a lot to know, and I had to ask a lot of questions to get where I am now.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:53
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very true my friend i came from not know anything about cars to know as much as i do now and its all through the car forums and friends plus my old car the nissan exa turbo was my guinea pig which taught me all about turbos and bovs to how to change the engine oil and everything i know about cars today
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 06:58
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my gen 3 made 125 dead stock except exhaust.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 07:00
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and that was a hot summer day too..
so different dyno cooler weather.. skinnier dyno operator.
more tread on the tyres and the alignment of the moons should make it conceivable to make 128.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 07:03
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god damn another 120 plus , must be a manual
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Brisbane
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April 2003
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:19
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My last engine made 164rwkw. 
3" exhaust, chipped ecu and a set of Blitz ct12's on 13psi.
Hanging out to get my new one on the dyno and see what a fresher engine will push out.
Cheers,
Kirk
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:21
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| KiRK wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 16:19 |
My last engine made 164rwkw.
3" exhaust, chipped ecu and a set of Blitz ct12's on 13psi.
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Damn you, you make me want to strap my car down on a dyno to check out these Blitz babies.
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Brisbane
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:23
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Best $400 I ever spent 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:26
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I take it your engine is a Gen3?
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:27
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Gen 3 from a GA70... manual too 
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:31
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Well, we'll see what they do on a Gen2 1GGTE now
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Brisbane
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April 2003
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 08:34
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They'll help JCMF... highflowed and reinforced has got to add upto something.
I don't think they were initialy made for the gen 3's as we had to slot the holes to get them to line up with the intakes. 
But the sure do go well
Cheers,
Kirk
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 09:05
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I had to modify both my intake pipes with wider holes to get it all to fit up - it was easy with a dremel
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Brisbane
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April 2003
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 22:46
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So I'm guessing the Blitz CT12's were made for a gen 1 then? Didn't think they were that old.
Cheers,
Kirk
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Wed, 11 May 2005 23:24
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HOW DO U CHIP THE STOCK ECU sounds interesting
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Brisbane
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April 2003
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Thu, 12 May 2005 00:33
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It's actually a Mines ecu... which are reprogrammed to allow more boost, higher fuel cut, no speed limiter and altered redlines from what I've read.
I got it of ebay for $450
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 04:52
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indian,
After looking at this, I'd seriously be checking your fuel pressure regulator and or making sure your injectors aren't leaking. That is some nasty AFR's. I know 1G's run rich on boost, but not *that* rich.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 04:56
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WHAT DID I TELL YOU , THAT THING IS FARKED all the way to 10 and gets even worse but the dyno couldnt read below 10 lolllll
do u think that the afm could have been tampered with before
and whats the other white sheet i emailed us as well, didnt know what that was for but it had the afr and speed and boost on it as well
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 05:03
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That's the other chart, but it just looks like the first. It shouldn't be too hard to get hold of another AFM to try. Just make friends with another GZ20 owner, or pick one up, they often go for SFA, I had one lined up for $20.
It'd still be checking the injectors and FPR though.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 05:11
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How do I check for fpr and leaky injectors , I assume it would be a mechanic job hmmmm another afm now I have to try that out
Do u reckon that’s why the car wasn’t putting out more power bugger I get around 350-400k per full tank
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 05:15
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Leaky injectors you take to EFI place and have them cleaned and checked. You can remove and replace them yourself, not hard, just a bit of a PITA.
FPR is easy to check, if you have the right equipment. Probably easiest to have a mechanic do it unless you want to buy a gauge with the right fittings.
As for the AFM, that should be a piece of cake for you to do
As for the fuel economy, it doesn't look THAT flash, mate got 550km out of his last tank, but I guess it also will depend on how you drive it. He doesn't cane it everywhere.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 05:21
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OK looks like i have to do that soon
cheers
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Mon, 16 May 2005 09:03
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Can't wait to strap mine to the dyno...see what these blitz are worth.... I am also getting that blitz piggy back so will se how it goes....for now i have some error coded on the prick and its boost cutting at 11 psi....something about bad earth on the alternator, and water thermos not reading...have to look into it when i can be stuffed..
Indian i just picked up another AFM...so if u want to try it give me a bell...
PS: Anyone know anything about these Blitz MFCS...Just curious..
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:16
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Don't suppose I could upset you guys and say 200rwkw + out of my 1g could I?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:20
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Nope, on the contrary, the more big number 1G's the better.
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:22
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nope 200 is just fine 
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Central Coast, NSW
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February 2005
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:26
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nah, if anything that just encourages me to do some stuff to my car
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:27
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Well, I'll post you up the dyno chart when I get it.
Should hypothetically be around 220rwkw, possibly more.
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Re: 1ggtte power output
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:32
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Hehe, gives me a goal. Only difference being I'm going to try and get as close as possible using the equipment I have.
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