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kicked arse.
Sure tehre was some REALLY wooden acting from hayden christiansen when he was trying to do his "troubled jedi in transition" thing, and a couple of really corny lines (darth vader yelling "NOOOOOOO" comes to mind), but overall it rocked my jocks and gave me a little baby chubby.
And with all the droids shut down, I'm guessing it takes a REALLY long time to build a moon-sized battle station.
And darth vader shrunk and got skinnier.
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so freaking awesome
definitely on my top movies list
yeah, some lame lines, but that is required in Star Wars
very accurate also
not sure what to say except, man, I got into it heaps
Thanks for ending so well George
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Wed, 18 May 2005 18:42
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loved it
lucas has given us fans closure
and what a way to do it
11/10 from me
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Well this is good to hear, coz after ep 1 and 2 i didnt think i'd even bother watching anything else that was going to follow.
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How awesome was the start, coolest space battle in ages >_<
And the robots, they're hilarious in this one 
Ohhh, and the Obi & Anikin final fight, DAYMN!!!!
PS. I just got back from from the cinema after seeing it just then
PPS. Did anyone find General Grevious to be quite lame compaired to Clone Wars?
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agreed, fucking unreal.
That's it. I'm calling it...
BEST STAR WARS EVER.
15/10
Storyline plus! the story just kept pace and didnt slow down anywhere. Yeah there were a couple of cheesy moments like the Wookies doing a Tarzan call, but this is the stuff that makes Star Wars what it is. As a fan im absolutely wrapt.
The Witzl's top moments to remember:
# CHEWBACCA!!
# Some of the best light sabre fighting
# Darth Sidius-come-"the exorcist"-voice scene. HAHAH!
# Final cut scene. *cue nerd crying*
# None of the craptacular kiddy style and far out alien speak
# General "i have 4 light sabres" Grevious
# The hot blue Jedi Master
I think this one did so well because it borrowed a lot from the structure of Empire Strikes Back, but with more tragedy and more story.
Darth also picked up a hardcore american accent, you hear it when he says "yes, my master". Just didn't sound right James Earl Jones
Georgey finally learnt what so many of the fans and lovers of the originals were attracted to, and managed to recoupe that charm in this final chapter. Hats off to you my no-necked man.
The final cut scene on Tatooine rocked. Go Luke's theme!!!!
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thanks for the awesome night karl!
I LOVED the final scene.
It's also one of those 'can't get it out of your head' movies hehehe
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I loved it. Was so worth seeing it gold class!
Grevious with the 4 light sabres, what a nutter.
Man i'm so goddamn tired today, didn't get home till 3, then get up at 7:30.... hmm, still worth it 
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Thu, 19 May 2005 02:25
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Ditto - Best Star Wars EVAHHH!!!!
That opening battle scene was worth it all by itself.
Definately worth missing out on a large part of last nights sleep for! Ended up only getting 3.5 hrs 
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Thu, 19 May 2005 02:30
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I laugh at you all - I haven't even left for work yet 
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Thu, 19 May 2005 02:41
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Wow........
Has anyone a nitpick at all! Even a pathetic non-needed one?
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This website http://kazza.id.au/ had a fair enough criticism perhaps
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I felt Anakin's change to the dark side was just a little bit too much of a stretch. I think he still had too much of a conscience left in him at the time for him to do what he did to the jedi. I actually would have found it more believable if he'd been wronged more deeply by one or more jedi and so he really was out for revenge. But it came across as he was only doing it because he was told to in order to save Padme. I think if it came down to it, choosing Padme's life over the lives of all the jedi wouldn't have been something he'd do. I just don't think he'd gotten "cold" enough to do that.
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The Dark side clouds everything.
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Thu, 19 May 2005 04:02
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and he just wanted more.
it was pretty fucking amazing
as the general consensus goes
go the young padawan holding out so senator Organa could get away.
"good relations with the wookies I have"
it was strange after it finished.. poeple seemed lost and wandered out silent. i think it was the realisation for a whole heap of geeked out fans (including myself) that it was the end.
you know, apart from the merchandising
and cartoons..
and tv shows..
and watching them all again and again and again.
i give it 5 stars.
oh btw, did anyone dress up?
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I took lightsaber!
Yeah, everyone was kinda like "wow, but it's over" there is a sadness in that x 2.
but it would be way worse if it became a Star Trek crazy action franchise so this way is good...
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Thu, 19 May 2005 04:13
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man, it was just SO good
.. im still ranting about it
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once go down the path of the dark side, forever consume you it will.
Yeah you can nitpick at his transition - but what's being neglected here is the sheer drawing power of the dark side. Anakin already has a slight taste for it as a "good" Jedi in that he uses his anger and HAS used hatred to feed his power and concentration of the force. So when Palpatine plays on his deep seeded fears (following loss of mummy, and now dreams of padme) Anakin is doubly hooked.
He gets hooked cos his fears already start leading him down the dark path, and then the lust for more power, greater strenght and ability, and ultimately the lure of saving Padme.....
Yes it would have been tearing him up inside to kill the Jedi, esp the younglings, but his fears combined with 10 years of softening to Sidius as a friend make him easily turned. Remember, do not underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.
To argue the point the dude makes that he hadn't got "cold" enough - it's not that he had grown cold, its that he had become fearful and angry. Add the seduction of the sith and good old Anakin can emotively justify his actions.
Depends how you read into it. I read into it that Palpatine (sidius) had been slowly seducing him for the past 13 years by befriending him and filling him with false hopes of what he is to become. Of course that gives Anakin the feelings of betrayal and blah blah blah - im sure you get the idea.
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| THE WITZL wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 14:43 |
I read into it that Palpatine (sidius) had been slowly seducing him for the past 13 years by befriending him and filling him with false hopes of what he is to become. Of course that gives Anakin the feelings of betrayal and blah blah blah - im sure you get the idea.
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My thoughts exactly... And when Palpatine realises that Anakin is finally starting to turn the tiniest little amount, he got more and more hardcore with his persuasion.
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hahaha
"Wow, who would have thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father?" 
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I thought it was a good movie but not not great. I didn't like Grevious as a villian, his character wasn't developed and he seemed kinda cheesy, I rekon he should have been left out, and had more stuff with dooku, or vice versa. The space battle at the start was good, but too much stuff going on too quickly, also where was the screaming when the fighter escort got shot down! This pretty much sets my thoughts for the movie, the camera work i thought was too close in and fast during the duel. I liked this movie but it still had too much flashy CG while missing some of the basics the original trilogy had.
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dude!! how can you whinge about the opening battle scene?!?!??!
It's the battle of Coruscant, a planet that is ONE CITY... think of the population!! Then think about how HARDCORE any attack would have to be to capture the chancellor.
The battle of coruscant is supposed to be THE MOST HARDCORE battle the republic has ever seen. Its one of the big things i was waiting for when i heard lucas was making ep1-3. That and mega Jedi sabre fights
You cannot debate star wars with me, unless you can outn3rd me! 
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Thu, 19 May 2005 07:33
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I still prefer the battle of endor, but each to their own.
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| Camry_omega wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 15:33 |
I still prefer the battle of endor, but each to their own.
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Yes!!!
But just because ewoks are soo much cooler than wookies
But meh, each is a different kind of movie. They're both good, but Endor is a kids adventure movie while Ep 3 is a badass Star Wars uber movie, with ultimate power!!
My 2c
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Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned R2D2 cutting sick yet.
Seeing that little round dude arse-kicking droids is a crackup.
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hehehehe
the oil fire is the coolest.
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I both loved and hated it.
It was very interesting to see the progression of the empires technology. I noted that the Jedi star fighters looked a lot like tie-fighters, while the clone star fighters looked more like X-Wings. I also saw that the Jedi fighters required an extra component to travel through hyperspace. It leads me to think that over the years these became tie-fighters, and as the need for hyperspace capable star fighters lessened within the empire, they just lost the ring things. And OHMYGOD IT WAS A BLOCKADE RUNNER!
One thing that bothered me with this movie, just as it did with the other movies, was that the galaxy seemed REALY SMALL. Like, they jump from Cruscant, that is in the core of the galaxy, to fringe planet and back in the space of a few minutes. Like, what the hell? That and there didn't seem to be that many people around. The whole first 3 movies seem like there are only between 100 and 5,000 people on each populated planet. The inclusion of characters like Chewbacca and Jabba the Hutt just added to this feeling of smallness. Along with this was the use of clones and droids to fight wars. Why can't they just use regular soldiers? Are there not enough people to fight wars that they have to make NEW people? The whole universe in Episodes one through three seems tiny... and depressingly lonely.
I really thought Christian whatshisname did a WAY better job of acting as angry, evil Skywalker in this movie than he did in the episode 2. But then that brings me to something I didn't like. Every time he acts "happy" I just get this sick feeling in my stomach. He seems like this very oily bastard, who could only be happy if someone else was sad. This was in the second movie as well as the third.
Having said all that, the space battles rocked, the droids where funny, and the light saber action was awesome! Obi-Wan's "I cut your legs and arm off in one simple strike you ignorant fucking Sith" move was just soooo cool. And I thought Ewan McGregor really settled into the role of obi-wan in this movie. In the first two I thought he was a little... stiff. Good, but still trying to hard to act like Alec Guinness. So not only did the character of Obi-Wan really become realized as the champion of the galaxy, but Ewan McGregor did his best job of Obi-Wan thus far.
I agree with some of the others here though. The Darth Vader "Nooooo!" scene sucked. And the transition from Aniken to Vader was just... bleh... fast, and stupid. Then he turns around and strangles his reason for doing these horrible things? That doesn't make any sense.
Anyway, if you've read this far, I commend you.
I'm out for now.
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Still havent seen it, but I was never one to mind spoilers. I did read the pictorial storyline posted before.
If it does folow that storyline, and Padme dies at the end, just after she gives birth.
I did have a major nitpick!!!!!
On Episode 6, when Luke reveals to Leia about their brother sister connection. He asks her if she remembered her mother.
She replied she died when she was very young; she was very beautiful, kind but sad (I would have thought for loosing Anakin).
This would have had Padme live, and raising Leia til about 4-5 years old I'd say....
Correct me if I am wrong, as I said I have not seen the movie yet (another couple of days) and just assuming she dies shortly after birth as according to the pictorial storyline previously leaked.
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| no_tofu_speed wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 00:56 |
On Episode 6, when Luke reveals to Leia about their brother sister connection. He asks her if she remembered her mother.
She replied she died when she was very young; she was very beautiful, kind but sad (I would have thought for loosing Anakin).
This would have had Padme live, and raising Leia til about 4-5 years old I'd say....
Correct me if I am wrong, as I said I have not seen the movie yet (another couple of days) and just assuming she dies shortly after birth as according to the pictorial storyline previously leaked.
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Or maybe she's referring to queen organa of corellia?
(her adopted mother)
although that doesnt explain the sadness.
unless she was sad about the corruption of the republic and the establishment of the galactic empire
I'd hit it.
just got home from seeing the movie.
9/10for sure.
best of the new trilogy BY FAR.
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Hmmm could have been, but by the way the scene playe dout, I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a reflection of her actual mother; As Luke replied I never knew my mother (rather then talking about his adopted mothe-Aunt)...
I'm sure george Lucas would agree with you though just to cover his azz and forgetting what he really intended when he first wrote the story hehe.
If Lucas did indeed write the first 3 parts which were filmed as prequals in full, I think it would be good reading for fans as a novel... I really do have a feeling that they were not though.
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| Merudo wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 01:31 |
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On Episode 6, when Luke reveals to Leia about their brother sister connection. He asks her if she remembered her mother.
She replied she died when she was very young; she was very beautiful, kind but sad (I would have thought for loosing Anakin).
This would have had Padme live, and raising Leia til about 4-5 years old I'd say....
Correct me if I am wrong, as I said I have not seen the movie yet (another couple of days) and just assuming she dies shortly after birth as according to the pictorial storyline previously leaked.
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Or maybe she's referring to queen organa of corellia?
(her adopted mother)
although that doesnt explain the sadness.
unless she was sad about the corruption of the republic and the establishment of the galactic empire
I'd hit it.
just got home from seeing the movie.
9/10for sure.
best of the new trilogy BY FAR.
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Hmmm could have been, but by the way the scene playe dout, I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a reflection of her actual mother; As Luke replied I never knew my mother (rather then talking about his adopted mothe-Aunt)...
I'm sure george Lucas would agree with you though just to cover his azz and forgetting what he really intended when he first wrote the story hehe.
If Lucas did indeed write the first 3 parts which were filmed as prequals in full, I think it would be good reading for fans as a novel... I really do have a feeling that they were not though.
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OH OH booom tish! We found a mistake! damm... and here I was thinking the movie was so perfect
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but luke was given to those people and they raised him as their nephew.
If leia was raised as their child, she'd assume that was her mother, just like any other adopted child - I don't think that's a flaw.
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well that is the option I tell myself to keep me happy
however the implication in the origional movie was of their real mother
but I am sure that is George Ls answer too
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LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
LUKE: What do you remember?
LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.
LUKE: Tell me.
LEIA: She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad. Why are you asking me all this?
LUKE: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.
LEIA: Luke, tell me. What's troubling you?
LUKE: Vader is here...now, on this moon.
LEIA: How do you know?
LUKE: I felt his presence. He's come for me. He can feel when I'm near.
clearly this dosent imply that she raised leia at all, all it goes to say is that in the same way that anakin and luke share a connection with the force, that padme and leia do also..
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clearly this dosent imply that she raised leia at all, all it goes to say is that in the same way that anakin and luke share a connection with the force, that padme and leia do also..
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That's not clear and I don't think it means that at all. The reason Luke can sense Vader is 'cuz he's a Jedi. Leia is not.
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You'll find that Obiwan was holding Leia over Padme as she dies, and the baby Leia starts crying when she finally passes. This is where Leia gets her images/feelings of her Mother. It was imprinted on her mind, and being force sensitive I'm sure it would amplify those memories more.
The same thing happens with Luke, this is where he gets his feeling that there is still good in his father. Also, the digital prints of Episode 3 have a small scene with Yoda being dropped off at Dagobah by Obiwan, which explains why Luke says there is something familiar about it in ESB. Would have liked to see that, but it'll be on the DVD release anyway.
I went into the film with no spoilers at all, only having watched the trailers, unlike episode 2 where i knew most of what was going to happen. This improved the experience so much, I was on the edge of my seat from the opening crawl. The film rocked. Only a few corny parts, but hey it is Star Wars. Vader's NOOOOOO at the end was a little lame, I would have liked to seen Vader implode some buildings or something, really kick some arse in fury.
There were a few cut scenes that involved Padme setting up the Rebellion with Bail Organa, even a hint of this might have improved Padme's character, as she has gone from this headstrong woman to just someone for Anakin to brood over.
Also read they cut out a scene with Quigon appearing to Obiwan and Yoda, might have just rounded out the ending. I was damn happy to have them finally explain the force ghost thing. Also explains why Yoda hears Quigons voice in Episode 2 when Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raiders. People have been saying how come Anakin is a ghost at the end too then, if its training that Obiwan and Yoda only undertake between 3 and 4? I think that Anakin finally learnt how to save lives, or at least his own, just as Palpatine talks to him about in episode 3.
The end Duel between Obiwan and Anakin was intense, McGregor was perfect, you could really feel his pain at the end.
The last scene was always how I imagined, Obiwan taking Luke to Tatooine, with twin sunsets and a powerful version of force theme playing, just to give you that hope for the future. Worked perfectly!
Anyone catch Obiwans uncivilised line when he uses the blaster, nod to the OT. Also see Tarkin at the end, standing with the Emperor and Vader watching the Death Star.
On the topic of the Death Star, its kind of cool that it would take so long to build. Its obvious then that the second Death Star was already in production before the first was destroyed. Wonder how many more there are floating around half finished?
I'm looking forward to the TV series. I really hope that they focus on the Rebellion, something that I kind of missed from Episode 3.
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Some good points there Major Clod. However, I still think that Leia and Luke's conversation about their parents leads me to beleive the origonal idea was that Leia knew her mother till the age of 5 or 6. I think the whole "force imprint" thing is a little weak personaly. But then a lot of the thing in Episodes 1 through 3 are a little weak.
And yeah, I loved that "Uncivilised" remark about the blasters.
As for the Death Star, this isn't neccisarily true. It takes the Emperor the space between episode 3 and 4 to build the first Death Star. They have the space between episodes 4 and 6 to build the second one. Not to mention the second one was never finished, and also, it may have been rushed to completion with more resources put into building it. While Vader was fairly disinterested in the first deathstar project and the Emperor was nowhere to be seen, in episode 6, the Emperor himself visits. This leads me to think the Emperor is paying more attention to the second deathstar project than he did to the first. The other point is that the Senate was disolved early in episode 4, after the deathstar is completed. Having no senate in the way would have given the Emperor more power, resources and freedom to throw money at the second deathstar.
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All very interesting, whats this about TV series?
And I was under the impression the second death star was "completed", it was designed to look uncompleted as part of the "trap".
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All very interesting, whats this about TV series?
And I was under the impression the second death star was "completed", it was designed to look uncompleted as part of the "trap".
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I too got the impression that Leia was at least a few years old when her mother died, but I guess he had to dig himself out of that hole somehow! Don't know how well it would have ended if it had cut a few years ahead to Padme with Leia, then explain how she dies, or not show anything at all and leave her death off screen.
Still damn selfish of Padme to just give up the will to live when she's got two young ones to raise. Perhaps it would have been better for her to die at the hands of Vader, Sidious, or someone.
Your points make sense about the death star. Without the senate, he can throw resources around as he pleases. Plus, once they had made the first, the infrastructure would have been there to make a second easier.
The TV series is going to be live action and shot in Sydney, aiming for 100 episodes so they can sell it into syndication. It'll be set between episodes 3 and 4, but they haven't really announced anything else yet.
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| ae86drift wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:07 |
| no_tofu_speed wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:04 |
All very interesting, whats this about TV series?
And I was under the impression the second death star was "completed", it was designed to look uncompleted as part of the "trap".
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it wasnt completed, but it was armed and operational
just like your car can work when its not finished
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| Merudo wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:32 |
| ae86drift wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:07 |
| no_tofu_speed wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:04 |
All very interesting, whats this about TV series?
And I was under the impression the second death star was "completed", it was designed to look uncompleted as part of the "trap".
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It wasn't completed, but it was armed and operational
just like your car can work when its not finished
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That's it. The superlaser was armed and operational, but large sections of the actual space station component weren't completed. The first deathstar could move remember? The second deathstar was just in orbit around Endor, so while it's not explicitly said, I would assume the engines weren't completed among other things.
The 'trap' was leading rebel intelligence into believing the death star superlaser wasn't completed, when in fact it was.
Oh and Major Clod, good point about the infrastructure. Lot easier to build something when you already have, and know what might go wrong.
And I also think episode three was a little messy with the ending. The whole Padme just becoming this totaly subdued plaything for Skywalker was lame. She was so headstrong in the first and second movie... and to change into this blithering idiot that can't even stay alive for her babies?
Bah.
I much prefer the idea that she stayed alive for another three or four years, and then either died from something un-related, or was assasinated by the Emperor to get Vader under controll.
Personaly I think episode 1 and 2 should be mushed together, and episode 3 shoulda been expanded into 2 movies. I woulda liked to have seen some darth vader helmet style killage. But thats just me.
P.S. I also think the hunting down of the Jedi happened to fast. I got the impression from the first 3 movies, that the jedi where hunted down over many years and killed one by one at the hands of vader or his minions. Not just "Oh, bam you all die in one day".
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Regarding Death Star(s) -
Shraka is correct. The first took AGES to build because of the restrictions the imperial senate imposed on the emperor and more than likely major components and details surrounding the construction would have to have been hidden. Eg, the ability to destroy a planet, perhaps??
And who is to say that it wasnt completed several years BEFORE ep4, and was only tested then due to the rebellion learning of its power combined with the removal of the imperial senate....
Leia's memories of mummy
Just as anakin can see the future in his dreams, Leia too could have these memories due to her ability to see the past.
Remember Yoda teaching Luke that the force can be used to see the past, the present and the future - but that he must be mindful of his visions of the future...... well Leia being the daughter of Anakin will of course ALSO have these powers as she too is strong with the force, but she is not consciously aware of this.
Thus Leia's memories could quite possibly be imprinted feelings of empathy as she was being carried by Padme. Remember Yoda and Ben both have this empathetic ability too, but they are just aware of this ability as they have tuned their ability to use the force so well.
It might sound weak to some, but it is far more plausible to me than the idea that she is either talking about her adopted mother or the idea that Padme lived for a few years AFTER the birth. Why the feck would she give up Luke and not Leia??
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Captain Nieder's (name is iffy with me) blockade runner in fact - the very same featured in the start of EP4!!
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It was very interesting to see the progression of the empires technology. I noted that the Jedi star fighters looked a lot like tie-fighters, while the clone star fighters looked more like X-Wings. I also saw that the Jedi fighters required an extra component to travel through hyperspace. It leads me to think that over the years these became tie-fighters, and as the need for hyperspace capable star fighters lessened within the empire, they just lost the ring things
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You got it a little wrong there dudey
Did you not hear the following lines as spoken in fact by Republican clones??
- Red 5 standing by
- Red 2 standing by...
- Lock air spoilers in attack positions..
.... and then low and behold you have an early version of an X-wing fighter, with a middle wing between the two x-wings of each side of the ship.
These were Republic attack ships.... as were the Tie-Fighter-esq fighters that the Jedi used. If you go further into it, by the era of ep4, the X-wings were considered obsolete fighters with the tie-fighters being the most modern and advanced fighters available.
Re the hyperspace "rings".... these were really only necessary for single or two person craft such as used by Jedi who very rarely travel with reinforcement. The jedi are now all but extinct by ep4 and we have craft such as Star Destroyers which cruise the Empire carrying large numbers of tie fighters to enforce the rule of the emperor where necessary. Hence they are virtually obsolete as the empire holds its rule by brute force rather than Jedi diplomacy.
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P.S. I also think the hunting down of the Jedi happened to fast. I got the impression from the first 3 movies, that the jedi where hunted down over many years and killed one by one at the hands of vader or his minions. Not just "Oh, bam you all die in one day".
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Your memory of this "hunting down" comes from Obe-wan telling luke in ep4 the quick story behind the empire without specific details such that Luke would become intrigued and passionate about it and help obe wan out. Of course he never told luke the TRUE details because this would have been too much for a young Luke just learning of his past and his ability to use the force.... and would have made him too easy a target for the Sith lords. All done for a reason my friend
I have to go home now... will discuss more later
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couldnt get enough of this movie, loved it from start to finish. how good was the evil general with 4 sabre's. and was sweet to see how vader got his armour (spelling)
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I still find the whole memory imprint thing weak... but then I guess so is the idea that Padme would give up Luke.
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Yep! It looks a lot cleaner in Episode 3 though.... before it got blasted to shit by an Imperial Star Destroyer.
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I know, this is what I was saying. I imagine the X-Wings where invented not long after Ep 3 and where based on the clone fighters. They where probably used by the clone army, perhaps even along with Y-Wings for a while before being replaced by early model TIE fighters.
The TIE Fighters however are obviously based on Jedi fighters. And I would imagine that if they weren't dropped right away, the rings became obsolute, as you said, 'cuz the Empire likes to cruise in with it's big guns.
However I beleive the TIE fighters WOULD have at one point used the rings, as Hyperspace for single fighters would have still been necisary before they started to mass transport their fighters. This is illustrated by the X-Wings being equipt with hyperdrives. Obviously hyperspace for single fighter craft was neccissary at some point in the Empires history.
One possibility is that after the clone wars, Incom, (the company that designed the X-Wing) was contracted to design a followup to their 'Clone fighter'. So they designed the Z95 Headhunter for the Empire's use. The Empire, not happy with the Headhunter, started designing their own starfighter based on the old Jedi Fighters. It would use the more lightweight mentality that the Empire preffered, and utelise the hyperspace jump rings for when the Fighter was needed for escort missions. I imagine Incom - scared at the prospect at losing such a big contract - would have started designing and producing their X-Wing model starfighter to compete with the early model TIE Fighter. However, after the X-Wing proved to be even bigger and heavier than the Z95, the Empire would have started production on their early TIE Fighters, and once they where in service, flooded the market with surplus Z95s and X-Wings, sending Incom bankrupt. After the first generation it was realised that the TIE Fighter didn't need a hyperspace capacity at all, so they lost the rings completely and re-vamped the TIE Fighter into the model you see in Episode 4.
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Yeah but I still don't like the pace of episodes 1 through 3. Regardless of if it's a consistancy error or not, I prefer the idea that Vader hunted them down one by one. Also some of the extended universe suggests that Vader did indeed hunt them down one at a time.
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As "movies", I don't think they do stand out that well. If this wasn't starwars, we wouldn't be talking about it, and nobody would think it was that great. But it is Starwars.
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And many movies which have sequals and spinoff etc are written by different people who have bought the rights.
This entire series is George Lucas' creation so it should stick together as a story; absolute!
But fact people goto ends to think, research stuff and finally nitpick is just a reflection of how passionate people are about it.
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| no_tofu_speed wrote on Sat, 21 May 2005 03:03 |
And many movies which have sequals and spinoff etc are written by different people who have bought the rights.
This entire series is George Lucas' creation so it should stick together as a story; absolute!
But fact people goto ends to think, research stuff and finally nitpick is just a reflection of how passionate people are about it.
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The little nitpicks I have with Starwars aren't a big deal. It's the general story, flow, and feeling of episodes 1 through 3 that I don't like. I do not think George Lucus did as good a job on these movies as he could have. Not by a long shot. Some of the acting seemed very forced and fake, but I guess that happens when you're trying to act in a screen screen room the a character that's just a standin with a funny mask.
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most of the hanging questions re the fighters , the deathstars - and a bit more on lukes and laeis parents are answered in the followup novels that have been written
Hopefully some of these novels are used as the basis of a 789 trilogy - as they are awesome - and stick true to the starwars universe scheme of things
isnt there some reservation on mark hamill being at least contracted to a follow up trilogy ?
I remember him saying it in an interview given , but they didnt shed light on it
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I'd love to see the Timothy Zahn Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy developed, that was quite cool. I used to read a lot of the novels back when I was younger, but stoped as the New Jedi Order series came out. Killing off Chewie, now that was mean!
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Why is it that they can have a droid that can deliver a baby but they don't have ultrasound to detect twins?
Come on, witzl could knock one up from the parts bins at jaycar.
And what was with the immaculate conception bit in Ep 1?
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Great Ep, filled in all the necessary blanks, while leaving the necessary bits out for the tv stuff.
And does anyone know what originalfigures from Ep4 are selling for still boxed?
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hahaha - someone remembers good old speedcore!!!!
she wouldnt have gone for an ultrasound because she would have been hiding the fact that she was pregrant as much as possible, and also hiding that Anakin was the father.
The immaculate birth thing would have had something to do with what Sidious was saying about that old Sith lord who was uber powerful, and could maniplulate the force so as to stop people dieing and even create life without conception.
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I want to know why in EP2/EP3 yoda can open a can on the baddies, but in 4,5,6 he gets all soft
(maybe the fact he's a puppet in EP4,5,6 and not fancy CGI? )
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I want to know why in EP2/EP3 yoda can open a can on the baddies, but in 4,5,6 he gets all soft
(maybe the fact he's a puppet in EP4,5,6 and not fancy CGI? )
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Perhaps 'cuz he's near death in EP 5 & 6.
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If someone were to watch all episodes 1-6 with no knowledge of the series, I think they would be kinda disappointed in Darth Vader as 1,2 and definatly 3 make Anakin out to be "Super Strong" with the force and the emperor make him out to the the next SUPER Sith lord but he kinda doesn't live up to it in 4.5 and 6.
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that's mainly due to the improvements in choreography - you can't fault it for that. if the choreography was the same, people would be pissed off.
And vader is pretty strong in the force - deflects gunfire with it, pulls down large chunks of hallway on luke, chokes some dude to death...
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8/10
i thought some of the bits were way too strung out, and some were way too short.
as for darth being a pussy, older "force veterans" have a certain amount of "class" to them, they arent speedy to run into everything and they are more powerful, so they take their time.
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