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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 00:10
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pawel wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 09:52 | I guys just bought JORRS Celica good buy just need advice it has a stock exhaust and I think the flange under the heat shield is gone sounds like a tractor. I these hard to chage is it only one flange there or other ones. Any help greatly appreciated looking for extractors for the future though. Forgot it is a 89 St162 celica
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engine pipe often dies on these cars
just get extractors dude
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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 01:14
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Unless I can find some second hand extractors I dont want to spent money on new ones at this point so is there a quick fix I thought it is just a flange that is what it sounds like without taking the heatshield off.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 08:01
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Dude, ive got a set of extractors for sale, prob is they are for the earlier 162 so if you want to put your 02 sensor on it, you'll have to either lengthen the wires on it or cut and weld a bracket onto the lower pipe
200 plus postage
Catcha
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 08:06
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lengthen the wires, peice of piss.
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 08:11
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don't the series 1 have a non-heated oxy sensor and the series 2 a heated 4-wire deal?
kinda different deals
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32
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Yeah they do have different wires, but they should still be able to be lengthened right?i mean, wire is wire(well, diff thickness and resistance and shit but that shouldnt be too hard to find out form toyota right?)i went nad got a price today for new and they want $252 + GST
Ill look into it tomorrow i spose.And ill also double check the difference in the wiring.
Catcha
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 19 May 2005 10:03
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yes u can extend them piece of piss... i woudlnt even buy 2nd hand ones... unless u had to.. the amount of powergained is 0 to nothing.. when i had them on my car anyway wasnt worth the time consumed to change the headers to extractors
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 02:44
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what do you fellas think of the GZ20 saorers? with the 1GGTE in them??????
has anyone owned one that owns a 162 now??
Just wondering cuz i might be selling up and moving over to the soarer family How do the SX st162's go up against them in a straight line drag??? Cuz all i know is the Supras witht he 7mTE's are slow as fuck.........
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Location: Wahroonga
Registered: June 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 03:18
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i like the looks of the GZ20, but y not just get the MZ20, same car bigger motor.
I thought i would throw something wild out there, ST162 with 245/50/14 tyres. on a 14x8 rim.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 03:43
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I wouldn't call a 7M-GTE supra slow....the 7M-GE supra's are tho.
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Location: sydney,nsw.oz.
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 04:51
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pawel wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 09:52 | I think the flange under the heat shield is gone sounds like a tractor. I these hard to chage is it only one flange there or other ones. Any help greatly appreciated looking for extractors for the future though. Forgot it is a 89 St162 celica
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Dude,
there are 2 circular flange gaskets from memory. Buy them from Toyota dealer.
Pretty easy to replace, remove heat shield, then 3 nuts hold pipe to manifold.
Might pay to get new nuts also as these do wear out.
DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON EXTRACTORS, they already have a 4-2-1 system on them.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 06:06
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yer fwd is right 2 circular gaskets...
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 06:51
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got any pics of these fattys Draza?And FWD, its not really wasting money on extractors, they do make a difference so might as well get em while he's at it
Catcha
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 06:55
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haha ... how much r extractors these days atleast 200 bucks? in my eyes 200 dollars is beter spent on something else... for the performance u will get out of it... as i said b4 wen i had a set on my 3sge i couldnt even notice the difference besides the tone in the exhaust... buy a k&n panel filter put a zorst on it and drive it is wat id do
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Location: sydney,nsw.oz.
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 07:21
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berad wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 16:55 | haha ... how much r extractors these days atleast 200 bucks? in my eyes 200 dollars is beter spent on something else... for the performance u will get out of it... as i said b4 wen i had a set on my 3sge i couldnt even notice the difference
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Werd !
Yeah spend the $$$ on new shocks+springs or nice rubber !
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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 07:53
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Also today went for first long drive after about 50-60km my idle went really rough although I am driving around at the moment with a exhaust flange problem but it still idled good until now. Then when it cooled down it was fine until a few kms and again rough idle. I am thinking 2 things 1 exhaust flange and escaping fumes slowly heating up under bonnet causing havoc to airflow meter or faulty airflow metre.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 08:02
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could b 3million thigns i wouldnt be drivin round with leakin exhaust good way to burn out exhaust valves and fuck ur engine
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: October 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 08:06
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For me extractors weren't a performance item. I bought them because i felt that the engine needed to breathe better. They sound quite raspy and noisy up the top of the rpm. Mine cost $250 with installation (they were off a gen 2) and i think they are the best money u can spend in terms of modifications to the st162.
Personally hardly a waste. Spending an extra $200 on ICE is personally a waste, it all comes down to what your after.
I can tell you though that the celica will rev better and smoother with extractors.
If i could go back, i'd do extractors over 2.25" piping.
But i'm satisfied with both of them either way!
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 08:50
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extractors dont really give u your moneys worth, They give you around 5kw if your lucky??? I know my set has not improved performance greatly, only slightly, and probably shifted the powerband thats about it....
As for the MZ20's im not a fan of the 7MGTE's, i have heard of their weak head gaskets. Also the old school supras weigh in at about 1500-1600kg so all that power is going no where. Plus the excess fuel costs, etc, etc... .
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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 09:19
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Anyone have a st162 manifold diagram it would really help. Not really impressed at this stage I thought theses toyotas were bullet proof. I just sold my 86 Soarer it was great no probs what so ever.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 13:00
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The factory exhaust manifold on these cars is a cast iron, heavy as-your-mum, pile of poo!!! Yes its 4-2-1, but the length of the runners is all over the shop. Cylinders 1 & 2 have long runners, 3 & 4 have very short ones. The unequal pulse this must create isn't a very efficient design. Toyota must have realised this as Gen 2 onwards have equal length 4-2-1 piping (such as the set that TRD-162 has).
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Location: Coffs Harbour
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 15:55
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the problem with rough idle will go away once u fix the zorst flange up somethin with O2 sensor i think and the fumes leaking.
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 16:37
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Seriously you hair dressors need to learn when enough is enough!! 40 fucken pages LMAO lol
jks
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 20 May 2005 16:50
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hey, we didnt reach 40 pages anywhere near as fast as the the AW11 guys!! You're just jealous we have a nice little community of people
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 01:30
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 01:48
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RP_st162 wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 18:20 | extractors dont really give u your moneys worth, They give you around 5kw if your lucky??? I know my set has not improved performance greatly, only slightly, and probably shifted the powerband thats about it....
As for the MZ20's im not a fan of the 7MGTE's, i have heard of their weak head gaskets. Also the old school supras weigh in at about 1500-1600kg so all that power is going no where. Plus the excess fuel costs, etc, etc... .
| Yeah, 3S-GTEs aren't known for their head gasket retention either you know! The turbo Supra's aren't that slow, except when it gets twisty cause as you said, they weigh alot! (fat arse cars).
And an MZ20 is a Soarer isn't it? Not a Poopra?
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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 02:28
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Well I am happy for the moment got a great deal on excellent condition extractors and full exhaust from a ST162 celica for $200 from Jap wreckers in Smithfield. What more could you want.Will get installed on Monday.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 03:53
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if its a full zorst, why not do it yourself?
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Location: Sydney NSW
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 04:20
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Dont want to stuff around with the old manifold and bolts will be easier to get them to put it on. Not a patient person either.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 04:50
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really not that hard.... a few bolts, a few zorst rubbers, and an hour of your time...
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 04:51
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yeah the mz20 is a soarer but i was just refering to my experiences with the 7MGTE. Which was in a 'poopra'
And because the soarers came in MZ and GZ guise it was my only means of comparing the 7m to the 3s :D:D:D
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 05:00
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Almost got defected last night after work and buying petrol. Cop walked out of servo, looked at my car, came over and asked if pop-ups goes down! "yes" was my reply...he walks off back to his car, 30 seconds later comes back.....has a closer inspection!!!!
*insert thought bubbles* "shit!!"
so i stop pumping and open door to put down lights while he glances inside to see what lack of interior there was!! luckily it was night time and everything was colour matched to black!!
hmmmm......end of rant!!!
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 05:17
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jonchai wrote on Sat, 21 May 2005 15:00 | Almost got defected last night after work and buying petrol. Cop walked out of servo, looked at my car, came over and asked if pop-ups goes down! "yes" was my reply...he walks off back to his car, 30 seconds later comes back.....has a closer inspection!!!!
*insert thought bubbles* "shit!!"
so i stop pumping and open door to put down lights while he glances inside to see what lack of interior there was!! luckily it was night time and everything was colour matched to black!!
hmmmm......end of rant!!!
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he's just jealous, coz his wife / bf wont let him buy a celica
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Location: Adelaide - Race Central
Registered: June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 05:38
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yeah...this cop had that mean look about him tho!!! with beard and hat...the works!!! I work at this servo so i know the story, but he came in and parked next to this WRX (highly modded) bought some petrol and moved over a few pumps where he parked the car! the WRX owners realised this and stayed in the store waiting until that cop left! I think the copper realised there were bigger fishes to catch rather than my comparably lame mods! the servo i work at has had a history of cars being defected, but i always thought it was funny, and it was, until mine came into speculation!
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 21 May 2005 05:40
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refuse to serve him next time he comes in
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Location: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 02:33
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FWDCelica wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 12:51 |
pawel wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 09:52 | I think the flange under the heat shield is gone sounds like a tractor. I these hard to chage is it only one flange there or other ones. Any help greatly appreciated looking for extractors for the future though. Forgot it is a 89 St162 celica
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Dude,
there are 2 circular flange gaskets from memory. Buy them from Toyota dealer.
Pretty easy to replace, remove heat shield, then 3 nuts hold pipe to manifold.
Might pay to get new nuts also as these do wear out.
DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON EXTRACTORS, they already have a 4-2-1 system on them.
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Have a look at the stock "headers" or really exhuast manifold:
Now this is the gen 2:
you can't possibly tell me that the stock gen 1 exhaust manifold is good for flow when compared to a stock gen 2 system.
I don't know how many kilowatts you expect to get for not doing any real form of engine modification. but 5kW over what is only a 100kW engine is still a 5% gain in engine efficiency which in my eyes is worth it.
if you want some more power, look into cams and a programmable ecu, they will give you the most power....
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=66725
for a small reserch deposit of 30 bucks and around 300 for the finished item, this will be the BEST bang for buck by far in the n/a engine power. do not let this oppertunity pass you buy.
stop being stingy as 200 is NOT going to get you and increase of 30kW
[Updated on: Sun, 22 May 2005 02:43]
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Location: Melb, Victoria
Registered: April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 08:44
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Question: after everyones imput here guys
Who's st162's still have the splash shields (black plastic covers under the motor)fitted to the car?
Some people do and some dont.reasons being:probably lost them over the years, damaged them, purposely left them off etc.
I've still got them on the car and i find myself always having to remove them in order to work on the car.Would having them off keep the engine bay temps down a bit aswell?
Cheers
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Registered: April 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 08:49
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when i replacemed my front bar etc, i got new splash things as well, otherwise my original ones were only party left
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Location: South Australia
Registered: April 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 08:55
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Got me boot up and ready, Finished it today, VInyld that base and wamo!
Opinions.
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Location: brisbane
Registered: May 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 08:58
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nice one
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 10:35
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Aust162 - Yeah, they make a difference. Ask us next time you're around (cbf typing right now ). I got that duct that goes on the LHS today, gonna hook it up to some piping to feed the pod - its gonna be sweet.
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Location: Gold Coast
Registered: January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 16:34
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yeah my under engine/gearbox plastic things are GONNNNNE....but i want to make some custom fiberglass ones up soon soo i give a bit more aerodynamics back...thinking about making one under the back too with some defuseres...i'm serrious...lol
Nezza
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 22 May 2005 16:44
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i stated 5kw as an optimistic statement. And no, i don't have dyno sheets, but i have seat on the pants feel dyno But when i installed my extractors i already had my exhaust done, being s/steel, with 2 1/4 inch pipes, with high flow cat and 5 inch tip....But 5kw is a big statement for extractors i admit that. Unless someone else has dyno sheets to prove.
All i can give you in terms of gains in performance, in real life situations is that before the high flow cat and extractors, i could not beat a mates pulsar n14 Q with SR20, mind you he is STOCK AS A ROCK. but after i could hold him off through all the gears, with his stock exhaust and modified air intake... Now with the jap spec its bye bye SR20
Also this is why modifying n/a's are a waste of money..i need myself a snail, and RWD for that matter....soarer here i come!
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Location: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 02:30
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berad wrote on Sun, 22 May 2005 17:34 | i didnt say anything about flow... i said there is no difference in power that u can notice u might pick up 1 or 2 hp on a dyno but is 200+ bucks worth that .. in my eyes no thats all i was sayin i didnt say anything about flow.. 5kw i find that doubtful but i may be wrong... do u haev dyno sheets for the 5kw ? just curious not tryin to stir shit .
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you say you didn't say anything about flow, but just by looking at the system, you can see that the exhuast flow will be alot better, which means the engine has to do alot less work to expel the exhaust gasses on the exhaust stroke and ultimately gives the engine more torque.
there is no real way to judge just how much power it will free up, unless you get a before and after on the same dyno... but u cannot tell how many kW you gain just by the "seat of the pants".
but because of the crappyness of the standard exhuast header, gains around the 5kW mark could very well be expected.
and to ask is 200 bucks worth around a 5kW gain, on a n/a motor, i believe it is... think about the people who spend money on pod filters and cannon mufflers, sometimes even over 200.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 07:26
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Hey guys.... my St162 3sge is manual know... It pulls so much harder and goes really well... Im soo happy know.. Come on guys lets go on a st162 criuse
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 07:38
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why cant we all just admit that the gen 1 3sge has its limits in terms of reliable power. Its nearly making the best possible power STANDARD. sure a i/h/e is gonna help, but only a little. You need to spend big money on cams, and internal work to get good RESPECTABLE POWER.
And as berad is trying to point out, all that money spent modifying the gen 1 could be put to use for an engine swap for a gen 2, 3 or even any of the GTE versions, which in turn would probably give you more power than a modded gen 1 will ever give you.
But each to there own. If you believe extractors are worth it, great, Ive purchased some myself and sure it FEELS better, but until anyone has dyno sheets to prove I'm with berad.
Lastly, the gen1 was never meant to be a horsepower hero, just a reliable gutsy performer, hey, at least we can beat the standard v6 falcadores
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 08:34
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just a reminder: have a set of genie 4-2-1 extractors for sale.$180 + postage.THey've done about 40,000kms at most.
Catcha
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Location: Melb, Victoria
Registered: April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 08:42
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So its best to leave the splash shields on?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 08:57
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RP_st162 wrote on Mon, 23 May 2005 17:38 | all that money spent modifying the gen 1 could be put to use for an engine swap for a gen 2, 3 or even any of the GTE versions
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Ooohhhhh yeah! Best money I've ever spent!
Aust162 - Yep, they're there to protect the engine bay from water, dirt and other road crap as well as to smooth out the airflow under the car - fairly important on a FWD car. You'll notice the difference at high speeds.
BTW: When we gonna give the cars a run eyy?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Location: Melb, Victoria
Registered: April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 09:12
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smashed wombat- whenever your ready mate But if you win i'll be pissed!
shouldn't you let your clutch bed in a bit longer though?
P.S thanks for that,splash shields are stayin on
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Location: brisbane
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 11:09
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lol i dont care wat the engine is doing but im just sayin why waste money can u seriously tell me that the 200 dollars has improved its power etc that much.. i just dont see the point... yer if ur headers r rooted get them but other than that i dont see any point at all
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 23 May 2005 13:18
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To be honest, I'm one of the 'skeptics' when it comes to how much value you get out of the aftermarket exhausts.
There's plenty of more considerations to exhaust than just constant flow rate and up top power, there's harmonics in the exhaust tract - it's ability to get good scavenging in the cylinder, there's heat retention, there's vibration to consider - if you are a geek sometimes even things like emissions can be something on your wish list (like me).
You might notice a few hp gain at the top part of the rev range, but until you dyno the thing you can't tell what gains and advantages there are to the system. What good is power up top if you lose some down lower (not saying that this is usually the case tho).
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On Probation
Location: Hobart
Registered: December 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 24 May 2005 02:50
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RP_st162 wrote on Fri, 20 May 2005 12:44 | what do you fellas think of the GZ20 saorers? with the 1GGTE in them??????
has anyone owned one that owns a 162 now??
Just wondering cuz i might be selling up and moving over to the soarer family How do the SX st162's go up against them in a straight line drag??? Cuz all i know is the Supras witht he 7mTE's are slow as fuck.........
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which model 7MGTE... the stocko MA70.. or an MA61 ?
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 24 May 2005 06:47
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the supra was in an ma70 I'm pretty sure as he claimed it to be a turbo-a, but he had electric dash, and no turbo-a stuff. Also if it helps, it is the model before the last supra that came out. I mean it wasn't slow.... its just that from a rolling start it took from like 80 - 140 for it to pull a car over me.
And at the next set of lights i pulled him pretty easily on take off, (he was auto), but i could see him reeling me in SLOWLY though. We pulled over after and he was quite surprised himself, after i told him it was still n/a.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: May 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44
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hey does anyone know if 5 inch speakers will fit int he rear stock locations. I put a 4 inch in adn its just slightly smaller! has anyone tried 5inches?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 25 May 2005 06:35
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I got 4's to fit into the 3" enclosure at the front so I suppose you could cram 5's into the rear ones?
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