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Adelaide, Semaphore
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September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Mon, 23 May 2005 14:09
 
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Hey demuire, I wish I knew the size mate. Thats one thing I have yet to find out, How will I know what sive it is? All I know is that I pulled the paseo master apart and cheched it to the ke55 one, seems very similar length and diameter. The stroke is a little longer I think. I will take all the measurements if you want to know more about it. It looked like it would fit, so I took it and presto, got lucky. Its even got a low fluid sensor, will have to figure out how to wire this in  ..
XT struts are easy to find, try find a paseo master at a U-pull-it for $25. Now that was a bargain, I almost feel like I got ripped off 
The remote booster was a fantastic idea till I found out the cost of plumbing one up and parts. Also the remote booster can only power up one system, so would have to have 2... The other option was to go the way oldcorollas said is to not worry at all with a booster, and go the same way as the Escort lads. As you can see I have found a better option and It leaves me room for the Twins 
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Mon, 23 May 2005 14:15
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cwhelan: Sometimes the size is imprinted on the side of the master cylinder. Else, best to check with the local brake specialist, they will have it in their catalog.
There are a few other options that will also bolt onto the early KE3x booster, among them Pajero, Navara, Starion, and a few others. Anywhere up to 1 1/16. I'm using a Pajero unit, 15/16 and has a low fluid indicator too.
The indicator isn't rocket science. When it's low, it will complete the circuit, so wire it so that when it's low it will turn the light on. I just hooked one end up to the dash light, and the other to a bolt, and voila
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Kilsyth, Melbourne
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 02:43
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Hey,
Great work on the brakes there mate. very impressive. just wondering how hard it is to get the the XT 130 struts into the corolla.
thanx for the help.
Cheers, Calvin
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Adelaide, Semaphore
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September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 08:34
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Calvin, over the past few months I have concentrated on getting a combination setup that will work under 13" rims. I do know that XT130 struts fit in the ke55 with a few alteration, but at this point, I haven't really looked into it properly. I have tried fitting the top hat from the ke55 onto the strut, and that seems to be no problem. I then found that the xt130 spring was too big, so I put the ke55 spring onto the strut, and found the spring/strut seat in the centre of the strut too large to fit the spring properly. I have read that cutting the seat off of the ke55 strut and welding it to the xt130 strut is the way to go. This I will be doing as the next small task, but not till I am completely done with the bracket setup. I may start looking at doing this soon though if the brackets take a while yet. The next task is to make my own Alloy coil overs as I have the tubes to be threaded. The tubes I have are thick alloy and have access to thread them at work. Machining up the top spring locators will be an easy enough task also.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 08:41
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cwhelan: I had XT130 struts in my KE55. KE55 top hat, AE86 upper spring mount, AE86 lowered springs (KTFL-33, which brought the car back to stock height). You will also need to use the XT130 steering knuckles, or you can use AE86 ones.
All bolt on.
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Location:
Ipswich
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May 2002
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Location:
Adelaide, Semaphore
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 09:00
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I had a good browse through those photo's the other night, it looks fantastic. The only thing I found was that it could be turned into a very in depth write up if you had a bit more info beside each pic. I noticed your into rock climbing also? We should meet up at the Grampians some time, I brought my gear with me when I returned home from Ireland. What I might do, if it is ok with you that is, I might save all of your pics and print them all off at work and that way I can ask you more in depth questions on the xt130 struts to ke35/55. There is so much info in this site to be a good enough guide, but would rather ask first hand.
The Master Cylinder I have Doesn't have a stamped size anywhere on it, I have googled it the last few nights to get info on drawings or sizing. But come up with 'nudda'...
I am thinking my next project will be to fabricate my own coilover kit and get the springs made to suit from Adelaide industrial springs.
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Location:
Adelaide, Semaphore
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 09:06
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Demuire, disregard that last message. I didn't see the description under the pics.... 
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 09:11
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cwhelan: Yes, I know I'm rather slack in putting in comments, or even renaming the photos I also meant to write up an article about the work I did on my car, but haha, more than a year later, and still not even a starting paragraph
By all means, if they're of any help to you, print them out. And if I can help, just ask.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 09:15
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With your Paseo MC, your guess is as good as mine. Ask a local brake shop, they should be able to look it up in their catalog. Being a fairly small car, I would assume it would have similar to KE70/AE86 etc, which is 13/14", I think.
With your spring mounts, why bother? Fulcrum Suspensions sell them fairly cheap, that's where I bought mine from. Then all you need to do is weld a bit of tube onto your strut, and slip the sleeves over.
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Adelaide, Semaphore
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September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 09:30
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If they can be made more cheaper but the same or if not better quality, then why not. I have access to electro-coating machining and pipe, whether it be steel or alloy. The 2 tubes I bought from Smart Alloy that has the same inside diameter as the outside diameter as the xt130 struts, cost $9 for both at 200mm long, more than enough... me thinks???? 
Can either make the top hat or... if they are sold seperate at a minimum cost then maybe buy them. What are the legalities of coil over kits? Can they be passed at with engineering consultants?
What is the deal with the lower control arms, why did they have to be used. I know I have read this in the forums, and I think it was because of camber issues?
As I said before, I have concentrated on the brake upgrade and nothing else. Almost time to look at the full picture for me .
Anyways, time for tea, will print off all your pics, and ask questions from there. Have engineering exam tomorrow, so must try concentrate on that.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12
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Kingpin angle on XT130 struts different to KE55, you will have positive camber if you do nothing else. Pedders bent my struts in the KE55 to correct this, worked very well. I've used longer control arms (Scorpion) and have adjustable top plates in the KE35.
As for engineering... I don't know, to tell you the truth My struts have a Fulcrum sticker on them (although I assembled them, parts are from Fulcrum), apparently that keeps people happy. No idea.
FYI, it's also illegal to replace the struts in your car (ie, putting XT130 struts in a KE55). Silly rule.
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Adelaide, Semaphore
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September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Wed, 25 May 2005 13:10
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Do kingpin sell the top hats seperate? How would regency know if the struts have been changed? Surely they can not tell the difference between a stock standard strut and a changed strut. I can understand that coil over kits may be frowned upon, but I think they may be engineerable. I will call Tonkins consultants and ask the questions about what can't be engineered and what can be. I will pose the question if strut changing can be engineered, especially if the struts being used are a stronger setup.
The longer control arms were to correct the camber issues?
I can't imagine bending the stuts to suit for camber corection, it just doesn't sound right. Is there no other way to go about this? I should really read up some more info on this, but as I said before, I haven't gone further than the brake upgrade.
Next project after the front suspension will be to do a custom dash with cream dials in a nice round leather dash similar to that of a new car to give it a contemporary look, it will be made so that it will be a bolt in upgrade. Something I have always wanted to do. A digital dash might be nice also.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Wed, 25 May 2005 22:14
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I imagine they bend the top part of the insert? Just below the top hat?
I looked into the noltec camb/cast adjusters. They don't look too bad, and they say you can use the original springs and top hat etc, or change to adj. coilovers. They will work with both. Fairly cheap to.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Wed, 25 May 2005 22:17
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I believe they put a gradual bend into the actual strut tube itself. You know how when you put the strut insert in, there's a bit of space around the sides? They bend the strut enough to give some camber, but not so much that the insert doesn't fit anymore. Obviously there are limits to how much camber you can get with this method, but it is enough to offset the positive camber with XT130 struts, and it is a simple and cheap solution.
Visually you can't tell the difference.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Thu, 26 May 2005 07:05
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Ahh... Ok.
Obviously the amount of positive camber you get from using xt130 struts isn't a real lot.....
You could probably use camb/cast adjusters to also get the same effect.
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Ipswich
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May 2002
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Thu, 26 May 2005 08:35
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Yes you could, but for more money.
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Location:
Adelaide, Semaphore
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September 2004
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Re: **Bracket update**KE 55 brake upgrade to fit in 13" rims
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Mon, 30 May 2005 00:46
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Ok, here's the run down... I called Tonkins Automotive Engineering consultants this morning, I spoke of the upgrades that will be carried out. Struts can be interchanged here in SA, the parts have to be similar in fitment. There is no problems with using xt130 struts in a KE, as the top-hat can be changed to make the fitment. The lower spring seat can be taken off to fit another spring seat to allow for the correct spring to be fitted, this has to be done by a certified welder. Coil-overs can be used, and has been discussed with the senior at Regency a few months ago. The problem isn't with the coilover itself, the problem is with compliancy of height that the car has been reset to. I don't know about other states, but the total minimum of lowering the car can be to 100mm clearance from the lowest point on your floor pan to the ground. The bump travel of your suspenssion cannot be decreased more than 1/3 of the original travel.
Caliper brackets have been passed for engineering so long as the sheer factor on the metal and design has been taken into account.
I asked quite a few questions on the redesign of a dash in a KE, and I was advised that it is one of the hardest things to change and be passed, as the dash has to be ADR approved to take into account the dash be able to absorb energy from impact. So long as the new dash be redesigned on a standard dash of any other car it should be within ADR approval. This will be my new project to follow up on, it will be similar to the new Citroen Sbarro Picasso Cup car.
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