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ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 09:35
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i am just susing out the conversion i should do for my ra23. i have been told to go a 1ggte or a 1ggze conversion. however i would like to stick to a 4 cyc car. so i was thinking a 4agze or a 4agte both either big or small 16 or 20v. just wanna know what would be the best to go with, power wise, installing it and price wise.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 09:44
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Why does every one over look the 18rg cheap plenty of power and easy to install.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 09:54
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i can get one easly however i want a turbo or super charged car and efi and ecu costs a bit
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 10:18
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get a 4agze then take off the supercharger and turbo it... the 4a engines are one of the better, (or in my opinion, the best) 4cyl around... and the turbo makes a great engine just that bit quicker!! 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 10:19
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3T-GTE?
Beams 3S-GE? Dont need a turbo on this one.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 10:21
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| 4agerolla wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 20:18 |
the 4a engines are one of the better, (or in my opinion, the best) 4cyl around...
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3S is the best 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 10:33
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| ra_28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 19:44 |
Why does every one over look the 18rg cheap plenty of power and easy to install.
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This question still hasnt been answered.....
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 10:44
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| jeffro RA28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 20:33 |
| ra_28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 19:44 |
Why does every one over look the 18rg cheap plenty of power and easy to install.
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This question still hasnt been answered.....
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Once a boat anchor always a boat anchor 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 11:14
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yer thats true. Was never a boat anchor tho.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 22:39
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 20:14 |
| jeffro RA28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 20:33 |
| ra_28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 19:44 |
Why does every one over look the 18rg cheap plenty of power and easy to install.
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This question still hasnt been answered.....
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Once a boat anchor always a boat anchor
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Yeah but people really hate when a boat anchor leaves them standing at a set of lights. 3SGTE cods wallop I'll suck one of them througn the front of my turbo.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 22:51
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Hi,
Buy yourself an 18RGUE engine. It should bolt straight into your car. Then whack on a turbo and you'll enough power to make a fool of yourself, as well as blow away the 4Ax, 3TGTE and 1GGTE powered RA23s.
Also, you'll have the joy of not only a classic Celica, but also powered by a classic Toyota masterpeice.
seeyuzz
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Wed, 01 June 2005 23:21
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| ra_28 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 08:39 |
3SGTE cods wallop I'll suck one of them througn the front of my turbo.
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And then you wake up 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 00:23
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 09:21 |
| ra_28 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 08:39 |
3SGTE cods wallop I'll suck one of them througn the front of my turbo.
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And then you wake up
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Sounds like a race is brewing! Anyone got a 3s-gte powered ta22/ra23 to race him? 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 00:26
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| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 10:23 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 09:21 |
| ra_28 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 08:39 |
3SGTE cods wallop I'll suck one of them througn the front of my turbo.
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And then you wake up
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Sounds like a race is brewing! Anyone got a 3s-gte powered ta22/ra23 to race him?
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If someone can fill in my position at work for a few weeks, I'd have one!
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:02
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Ahem.....
Who's sucking what through who's turbo?
If anything, I think I'll eat both of you through the front of mine..
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:09
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With a 12.63 mmm maybe maybe not just wait and see there will be a RA28 18rgteu on the go soon.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:17
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$10 on Stradlater
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:21
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Gee you must be good with your money do you loose heaps? You don't even know what I have.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:26
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what a great thread this has been, not only has my questions not been answered. i am still stuck for what engine to do.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:28
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Ignore your want to fit a 4 cyl and just get one of the 1G's. A 3S could be a better option, but will be hideously expensive and harder to fit. A 4AGZE I wouldn't bother with unless you plan to stick a turbo on the side of.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:30
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Hehehe
yes
maybe so.
but, that was 12.63 PRIOR to my recent ignition and diff upgrade..
Things will be different soon enough, but yes, I"ll agree, it only says 12.63 on paper at the moment.
I'm not gonna hypothesise what it might be next outing, but I think it'll be safe to say it's fairly well under.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:30
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:28 |
Ignore your want to fit a 4 cyl and just get one of the 1G's. A 3S could be a better option, but will be hideously expensive and harder to fit. A 4AGZE I wouldn't bother with unless you plan to stick a turbo on the side of.
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A RWD Beams wont be hard to fit at all.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:30
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Note: Thanks for the vote of confidence Chris..
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:37
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Thats it I'm going to have to put this in to over drive dubbo next year if its on and we both go well shall race. Oh I answered the question 18RG all the way. 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:37
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| ra_28 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:21 |
Gee you must be good with your money do you loose heaps? You don't even know what I have.
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I have a fair idea from your sig. I would bet on Stradlater because he has already run a good time and therefore must have some experience. Anyway, I don't really care, I just want to see a race
Sorry for hijacking thread champ. IMO I would go a 1g-gte but I am a big fan of 6's in general so bias is evident.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:40
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 10:30 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:28 |
A 3S could be a better option, but will be a)hideously expensive and harder to fit.
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A RWD Beams wont be hard to fit at all.
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Refer to point a) Last time I checked, a BEAMS 3SGE was expensive.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:47
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:40 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 10:30 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:28 |
A 3S could be a better option, but will be a)hideously expensive and harder to fit.
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A RWD Beams wont be hard to fit at all.
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Refer to point a) Last time I checked, a BEAMS 3SGE was expensive.
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Expensive compared to what? A lollie pop? Then again I spose they are expensive if consider people are trying to sell second hand 205 boxes for $1500  pfft
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 02:51
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 10:47 |
Expensive compared to what? A lollie pop? Then again I spose they are expensive if consider people are trying to sell second hand 205 boxes for $1500 pfft
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Umm, expensive compared to any 1G or 4A. Only examples of RWD BEAMS engine packages are like $4200 compared to $2500 or less for a manual 1GGTE package.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:04
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I'm up for a race...
I'll bring it..
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:13
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sweeet.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:26
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best out of 5 though, not a one shot, so we are fair to each other.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:38
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:51 |
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Expensive compared to what? A lollie pop? Then again I spose they are expensive if consider people are trying to sell second hand 205 boxes for $1500 pfft
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Umm, expensive compared to any 1G or 4A. Only examples of RWD BEAMS engine packages are like $4200 compared to $2500 or less for a manual 1GGTE package.
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You get what you pay for.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:44
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 11:38 |
You get what you pay for.
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For sure, it just depends whether you want speed or linearity and response.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:47
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 13:44 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 11:38 |
You get what you pay for.
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For sure, it just depends whether you want speed or linearity and response.
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You can have both with the beams. Just look what Glen has done with his 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:51
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| stradlater wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:56 |
best out of 5 though, not a one shot, so we are fair to each other.
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Yeah of course
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:54
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since you already have a R serie engine in it, i would definitly not bother to convert to a A serie engine.
I would have gone the 18RG route, easiest and most powerful option in ur car, without even breaking a sweat to put it in.
Why does everyone keep screaming 4age everytime someones asking for a engine option`? its really not that great a engine, and its also darned lazy stock, nor its any better quality than most other toyota engines... i really dont see why it seems to be so popular?
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 03:55
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 11:47 |
You can have both with the beams. Just look what Glen has done with his
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That cost a fortune though, and in outright speed, it'd struggle to keep up with a boosted 1GGTE with exhaust and intercooler, let alone a turbo upgrade. That said, it would own the 1G for linearity and response.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 04:36
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I'd have to say though, JCMF, I have a hesitation with what your saying, because.
Example.
If you fully reworked a 1g-gte and turboed it properly and the whole bit, you'd have a bit of power
but
I know of a s2000 with a fully reworked engine and t67 turbo and the whole bit, and it's over 300kw at only 1.24 bar.. That I think is a bit more than the 1g could have made, and it's only 4 cylinder.
Is that concept applicable to a 3sgte, well, I'm not sure.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 04:52
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| kristianvanek wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:26 |
what a great thread this has been, not only has my questions not been answered. i am still stuck for what engine to do.
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It was answered. An 18RGUE will bolt into your car and mate up with your gearbox without any issues. It is a 4cylinder engine and will be the easiest and least expensive engine you could do to get more performance in your car.
The 18RGUE will produce about 20-25% more power than your 18RC.
Later on, if you're wanting more power, you can fit a turbo onto your 18RGUE engine. It will produce as much, if not more power than a 1GGTE, depending on what setup you desire (and wish to pay for).
In any event, if you want to start putting some serious power to your backwheels, you'll need to upgrade your standard RA23 diff 'cos it'll be mincemeat in a very short time. Maybe get a stronger gearbox also, and upgrade the brakes.
seeyuzz
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 05:35
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| stradlater wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 12:36 |
I'd have to say though, JCMF, I have a hesitation with what your saying, because.
If you fully reworked a 1g-gte and turboed it properly and the whole bit, you'd have a bit of power
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I know of a s2000 with a fully reworked engine and t67 turbo and the whole bit, and it's over 300kw at only 1.24 bar.. That I think is a bit more than the 1g could have made, and it's only 4 cylinder.
Is that concept applicable to a 3sgte, well, I'm not sure.
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You're forgetting cost here. Logic says that if you have the dollars, you start with the best base and go from there. The F20C is a dickload more expensive than a 1G. I could have a 1GGTE with aftermarket ECU and nice custom turbo setup for less than the initial purchase price of an F20C, and the 1G would shite on it in outright power and speed. That was my only point. Sure there are much better engines than a 1G, but on a normal budget, I'd still pick it.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 06:08
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i am at the same quiry of what engine to transplant into my ra23.. in the end im thinkin a silvia motor..
mainly because they have power, reliabilty and parts are not hard to come by. plus a celica with a ca18det or sr20det would be sweet as and lots of fun..
i have also heard that 4agze's are not that good in old celicas and that converting them to a turbo is costly
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 10:39
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all i cant say is when can i join into this race... I may not have spent the same $$$ on my engine and thats why its taken so long but id still like to think its gonna go alright....
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 12:13
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Boys, your all welcome to join,
however, we are in different states.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 14:15
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| ra_28 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 19:44 |
Why does every one over look the 18rg cheap plenty of power and easy to install.
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i looked at 18RG and it simply wasn't feasable... pay over $1000 for a half decent one, and you end up with something like.. 150Hp for a REALLY good one... looked at a 1GGE and first one i found was $400.. with more power... and it's EFI... and... and... and you get the point.. now i just bought a 1GGTE, and w58, with ecu, loom.... and and and... $1000 and you tell me a 18RG will match it for the same dollar value?? i think not
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 21:09
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i think if u pay over $1000 for a decent one, uv got rocks in ur head.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 22:18
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i think if you pay half that for a decent one you've got rocks in your head... what do you get?? a glorified iron slug! okay.. it's got twin cam, but that's as far as the technology goes...
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 22:39
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Ok lets add this up say $800 for a 18rg fitted in one day mod completed. 1g, gear box computer $1000, fuel pumps, surge tank, fuel lines, filters, regulator say $500, Intercooler custom for car $2000 fitted, diff upgrade due to such power increase $1000, mod plate not sure on price never had one. Would take about 1 week working on it fairly hard to install. So price wise and value for money? 
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Thu, 02 June 2005 22:52
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hehe... lets not forget 6 piston caliper brake upgrade, LSD, slotted and cross drilled rotors all 'round... scissor door conversion, and wogged up stereo, mags and phat wheels 'cause that power has gotta get to the ground somehow... boost gauges, BOV, will prolly need a new set of rear tyres by now too...
ORRRR...
you could just get the fuel system done while you've still got the 18RC in... use the stock intercooler until you can afford something bigger and better later on, diff will survive for a while unless you flog it like a maniac on speed.
well that just about it for cost comparison...
so lets see...
18RG
$800 - 1-2 weeks tops..
and you get 150HP for a really good one?
same efficiency (less if you follow a 1GGTE car... sucking down the tyre smoke )
1GGTE
$1000 + $500 + $73.50 (engine mounts) 1-2 weeks
and you get 210Hp standard.
6cyl smoothness, EFI efficiency, turbo kick... etc
and of course, there's plenty of room for upgrade.
really begs the questions "what do you wanna acheieve?" and "what can you afford"
i'm a poor uni bum, i'm going with plan B... the 1GGTE...
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 01:14
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$20 on stradlater
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 01:19
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| badboybubby wrote on Fri, 03 June 2005 10:44 |
$20 on stradlater
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Sweeeeet the odds are build against me I'll put out a collection box just before dubbo PS Don't go off my sig there are some old photos in members rides under turbo 18rgeu RA28. Before the rebuild.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 01:26
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$73.50 on stradlater...
i'd be VERY impressed if your 18RG could stand up to a 1GGTE with similar amounts of money spent on it... nay... i'd be dumbfounded
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 01:30
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Time will tell.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 08:24
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ra_28 i wouldnt mind getting alook at your engine some time for some tips on mine. at the moment mine is a 18rgeu with to4 turbo and external waste gate. 7mgte injecters but prolly to small so ill upgrade them after its going. after market ecu. 3 inch exhaust. turbo smart bleed valve. the engine is oringed and was rebuilt. lightened flywheel and 450hp brass buttun clutch ( i think ). its goot CHP and is gonna run 20psi. id be very keen to look at yours to see how its setup as im starting to get to the pointy end of it all and struggling with a few things.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 09:27
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Yeah now would be a good time its apart due to upgrades i'll let you know next time I'm in town
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 11:59
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i'm interested in how you go about doing a 5 stud conversion, and fit 255's on the back...
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Fri, 03 June 2005 21:23
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Its easy I put a hilux diff in 5 stud done on rear plus you can fit up to 275 on the rear without tubbing only on 28s, I did not even roll the guards to get 255 under. The off set of the rims are the same as pre AU Falcon. The front I have mod hubs to suit 5 stud. My mags and front hubs will be up for sale soon changing brakes so the front setup will be different if interested.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Sat, 04 June 2005 03:13
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I have just done a Hilux Conversion HickOz, and that's how you'd go about with the 5 stud conversion, and as Ra_28 said, the front hubs with the AU discs is the 5 stud front conversion, which I'll also be doing soon.
However, I'm going 4 stud.
PS: THanks for the support guys, I'm about to go off and install my Crane HI6 CDI system.
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Re: ra23 conversion
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If you go for falcon disc on the front (AU III 2 pot caliper version) not the shitty single pistons that ford kept for so many years, you have your choice of wat ever stud pattern you want you can retain the falcon stud pattern or you can go for a 4 stud as DBA make these discs as a blank and hoppers stopers in hoppers x-ing Vic are the ppl who do it. The kit they currently offer for early model celicas they designed on my car in one afternoon with parts they had in storage (its like a puzzle lol) It utilises a xt130 corona strut, there is a lil grinding and you also have to swap your struts D/S to P/S as the caliper is of a decent enough size to foul on the steering knuckle.
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On Probation
Location:
nsw
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: ra23 conversion
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Sat, 04 June 2005 07:49
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Its easy I put a hilux diff in 5 stud done on rear plus you can fit up to 275 on the rear without tubbing only on 28s
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Im gunna be dumb and ask why you cant fit them on a 23 ?
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
October 2004
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