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CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sat, 04 January 2003 00:57
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how would these cars rate up against one another in stocky form ?
thats the targa crx 1.6 vtek, 1.8 turbo 180sx, and the 20 valve
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Sat, 04 January 2003 01:59
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The 180 sx will kick both thier arses.
Think about it !!
20V N/A 1600 vs turbo 16V 1800cc !!!
not even a race!
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Sat, 04 January 2003 03:13
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180 would (most likely) win hands down.
20v and CRX (B16A i think) would be fairly evenly matched. I think a lot of people around here under-estimate the Honda motors.
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Sat, 04 January 2003 06:25
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The 180... heaps more torque. The CRX and the 20 Valve would be a hard one, as they do have a screamer of an engine up high. But a GZE rolla, well I could see all three going down!
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sat, 04 January 2003 09:13
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I dunno, I'd reckon the 180 would still have the edge...they aint slow...
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sat, 04 January 2003 12:38
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what are the specs for the gze and the 20 valve ?
does the gze leave the 20 v behind does it ?
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sat, 04 January 2003 14:30
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does the gze leave the 20 v behind does it ?
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From a standing start, well  everytime I've seen...
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I dunno, I'd reckon the 180 would still have the edge...they aint slow...
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Well it could be a close call, but we are talking about the CA18 180 not the SR20 one's but I would still have to go with the GZE from a stand still, and from the few I have seen, you can't call them slow either... especially the AE82's
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Sat, 04 January 2003 15:12
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is it the 1.8 or 2.0 litre 180sx?
either way, 180 will beat them.
but dun think it'll beat a 20V-T
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Sun, 05 January 2003 00:18
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| encounta wrote on Sun, 05 January 2003 02:12 |
but dun think it'll beat a 20V-T
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Yeah but if you're going to start talking about Mods, lets throw a tweaked SR20 into it and see how far the 20v-t gets!
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Sun, 05 January 2003 14:22
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are lots of people thinking of the sr20det, not the ca18det?
cos from all accounts i've heard, the stock ca18 is shithouse, even in turbo form, especially at their age now (not nearly as tough as the sr20's that last ages)
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sun, 05 January 2003 21:12
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are lots of people thinking of the sr20det, not the ca18det?
cos from all accounts i've heard, the stock ca18 is shithouse, even in turbo form, especially at their age now (not nearly as tough as the sr20's that last ages)
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Exactly, The early CA18 one aren't that impressive, nor that much faster than a GZE. The late model SR20 one's fly and seem to be a majority of the ones on the road.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Mon, 06 January 2003 12:08
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i reckon the gze would beat the 180 with ca
my mate has an s13 ca18det and in the 4age sprinter I can beat him to 100 hehe, thats cos he is a shit manual driver though and can't launch for shit... but still I was surprised how slow it was.
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Tue, 07 January 2003 14:45
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You probably saw the Japanese version of the Integra Type R. They run 14s, the Aussie version doesn't have the same grunt.
Engine wise the B16a has it over the 20v, but you forgot to mention what car the 20v was in, corolla, sprinter?
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Tue, 07 January 2003 20:32
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180sx-crx-20v
in that order.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 08 January 2003 06:23
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SR20 180SX
150kw or 201hp
275 nm or 202 ib-ft
20v rollla would get wasted
my friend wasted a 20v in a 7a-fe rolla
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 08 January 2003 06:49
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| rdraginrolla wrote on Wed, 08 January 2003 17:23 |
SR20 180SX
150kw or 201hp
275 nm or 202 ib-ft
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The question was referring specifically to the CA18DET though. 
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 08 January 2003 16:16
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| rdraginrolla wrote on Wed, 08 January 2003 17:23 |
my friend wasted a 20v in a 7a-fe rolla
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Go the 7a-fe!! 
But who was driving the 20v??
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Wed, 08 January 2003 22:44
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a dude had a 20v silver top in a ae86 rolla. those little twin cam hatchback ones.
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Wed, 08 January 2003 23:47
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Err.. I'm guessing you mean AE82 Rolla, not the AE86 Sprinter...
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 09 January 2003 00:07
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180SX would win.
Ive easilly beaten CRX's and 20valves, but the 180SX can give me a good run.
The one time I drove my car during DD over the chrissy break I happen to come across a 180SX who wanted to play... I ended up playing tag from Hornsby all the way down to Fairfield. Was good fun and of course I beat him it certainly had some go in it though.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 01:11
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Fri, 10 January 2003 01:59
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 06 January 2003 13:49 |
My mate has a 1.8l Silvia with 3" exhaust, front mounted intercooler, nice pod filter in a spot in the bay thats separated with a nice cold air feed, she fairly flies.
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get him to give my mate with sr20 and gt25 turbo a run.... i know where my money is
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 02:28
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No shit but Joey doesn't have $1k worth of intercooler either...
Hes finally getting his manual conversion though 
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 02:57
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hey, its only 800 worth of ic but worth every penny
he got auto? daaaaaaaaamn
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 11:54
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Ok well I’ll start by sayin I think with all three cars in stock trim…the 20v would be very close to winning… I say this because I have been in a 20v (only mods rush filter and brass button clutch) when it has raced and a crx… result-- 20v just kept pulling away… then there was the race with a skyline running an RB20 with $20000 engine work(big front mount, fuel system T03/T04 hybrid turbo) when it was running low boost (9 pounds) and the 20v sat at the drivers door all the way.. both had equal starts… then there was the stock RB20turbo in a vl…which had nothing on the 20v…just thought I’d add a little bit of information to your argument
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 12:47
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To throw a spanner in the works I recently had a run with a 20valve in my gt4 celica. Was I little close for comfort but I am sure you know who one 
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dood is ur car 4wd ? converted or original ?
i didnt know those celicas came 4wd !?!? 
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Fri, 10 January 2003 15:39
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dood is ur car 4wd ? converted or original ?
i didnt know those celicas came 4wd !?!? [/quote]
The ST165 GT4 celica 1986-1989 was never sold here in Australia. The car was sold in Japan, Europe and USA markets, however never made it do our shores. There are only very limited numbers of these vechiles that have made it into Australia through importation. Not sure why the real reason is behind this, I love my car and personally think it is the nicest looking celica they made. (Going to hide know)
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 10 January 2003 19:48
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are your headlights stuck in the up posititon?
gotta hate that
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Sat, 11 January 2003 10:19
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hehehehe gt4 didnt have much on a 20v wats wrong with your car nah just joking 20v's go hard. hehehe in my opinion they go better than a gze. coz a gze runnin 12pounds front mount and all the goods only put 2 lengths on a stock 20v. but anyways u might call me biased oh well. hehehe
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Sat, 11 January 2003 14:22
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| -blown20v- wrote on Sat, 11 January 2003 21:19 |
hehehehe gt4 didnt have much on a 20v wats wrong with your car nah just joking 20v's go hard. hehehe in my opinion they go better than a gze. coz a gze runnin 12pounds front mount and all the goods only put 2 lengths on a stock 20v. but anyways u might call me biased oh well. hehehe
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Well all I hope is that my car is running something close to stock (185 horsepower equals 137.954 kilowatts). Being over 15 years old this may be asking for a little to much but having travelled less than 65 000 kms Ive got my fingers crossed.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Mon, 13 January 2003 04:41
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| -blown20v- wrote on Sat, 11 January 2003 21:19 |
hehehehe gt4 didnt have much on a 20v wats wrong with your car nah just joking 20v's go hard. hehehe in my opinion they go better than a gze. coz a gze runnin 12pounds front mount and all the goods only put 2 lengths on a stock 20v. but anyways u might call me biased oh well. hehehe
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Hehe, how about running that stock 20v against my stock slow gze.
It has the following go slow bits:
- stock 8psi boost
- less than 2 inch exhaust
- standard ae82 twincam intake
- heavier ge flywheel
- a couple other things
Reckon the 20v will win?
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Mon, 13 January 2003 04:42
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GT4rider I was wondering how long it would take before our little sprint came up on the posts. I am awaiting the mods that u plan and we can re-match and u can post up a better result, but remember all i have changed is exhaust and a crap filter.
I put my money on the 180sx in a SR20 to be first a 20v second (from experience i have raced a V-Tec CRX b16a and whipped him by 1-2 car lengths and had more) then the honda. What i say is from race experience, had a sweet run from Artarmon to Hornsby one night with the CRX, he thought he had it all over me so i sat in the wake for a while then ripped it up, It was alot of fun, lucky Mr Police-Man did not see us at speeds in excess of the speed limits (no speeds posted as they would hunt me down and throw me in a cell straight away). I have been in 180s and have friends that own both the ca18 and sr20s. I will try to organise a race so that i can post up what happens, but more than likely i will tip the 180 by 1-2 car lengths (unfortunately  ) Well I guess that is my say
GT4rider when are we gonna do another rally run like last time?
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Mon, 13 January 2003 04:43
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White GZE lets have a race and see, I think the 20v will JUST get ya, well from my experiences I can say i think the 20v would have u but i am up for a test.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Mon, 13 January 2003 04:51
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Hehhehe.. Well boys, I believe there's an Eastern Creek meet this Wednesday! 
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Mon, 13 January 2003 05:02
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No worries Leigh, I am yet to race a 20v so will be a good comparo. What mods have you got on the 20v?
My rolla is not running the best atm, but in a couple months I will give it some much needed attention and it will be running hard!
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Mon, 13 January 2003 05:50
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Hehe, how about running that stock 20v against my stock slow gze.
It has the following go slow bits:
- stock 8psi boost
- less than 2 inch exhaust
- standard ae82 twincam intake
- heavier ge flywheel
- a couple other things
Reckon the 20v will win?
WHITEGZE
YES I DO THINK THE 20V WILL WIN! if it can beat a work RB20 runnin 9 pounds it can beat your gze
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Mon, 13 January 2003 11:01
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did someone mention race?
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Mon, 13 January 2003 11:22
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| Leighp wrote on Mon, 13 January 2003 15:42 |
GT4rider when are we gonna do another rally run like last time?
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Soon I hope was a lot of fun I have my suspension booked in for the 3rd of Feb (springs, struts, sway bars) so hopefully I will be able to keep with you on the windy roads then. I also have a three inch dump pipe I am in the process of hussling a good price for and looking for someone who will do up a 3" system for me.
So hopefully given by mid Feb I will be ready for a real run till then I got to make do with what I've got 
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Mon, 13 January 2003 11:42
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which one has the biggest wing?
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Mon, 13 January 2003 13:53
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im in aswell!
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Mon, 13 January 2003 13:56
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| -blown20v- wrote on Mon, 13 January 2003 16:50 |
YES I DO THINK THE 20V WILL WIN! if it can beat a work RB20 runnin 9 pounds ...
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doode ... seriously... i cant see a $20,000 engine will loose to a 20v ... i think he started in 3rd gear ... hahahaha j/k ...
i guess u had to be there ...
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Mon, 13 January 2003 14:50
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alright, it seems like i started up a small race club followed by a rally (as done b4 with GT4rider and some friends). WhiteGZE lets play sometime, it will be fun to see the differences, Blown20v I guess the answers will be told after the race, I only run an exhaust and a shitty pod, asides suspension (see avitar pic) all is stocko 20v. Blown20v i wouldl ike ot have a go with u and see what the difference between urs and mine is..... What have u done to ur 20v to be blown?
Um well ppl get back to me about the racing thing email may be an option here 4age20v@go.com and we can go from there, i Got a sweet location TBA closer to the date, Ask GT4rider for confirmation.
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Tue, 14 January 2003 06:47
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Ask GT4rider for confirmation.
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Owww for sure I can confirm that I still cant wipe the smile of my face and what date was it again, the second I think. I am not sure what I enjoyed most the rallying or the race.
I dont need to email you Leighp, you should know I will always be ready for a run!!
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Tue, 14 January 2003 08:20
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so whens the meet at the creek im keen to come watch
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So give me some details, what car is the 20v in, what mods have you done? I'd love to check out a quick 20v as nowadays there are too many people running around with gze's.
ok then.this 20v was in my cousins car ae92 reddish seca. he's from newcastle, some may no w him(craig) he has eager plates.only mods to his car are->$1100 racing clutch and rush air filter, everything else is stock
doode ... seriously... i cant see a $20,000 engine will loose to a 20v ... i think he started in 3rd gear ... hahahaha j/k ...
i guess u had to be there ...
they both had shit starts skyline wheelspin20v bogged down. and then it was side by side all the way. it surprised everyone and upset the the skyline owner.
What have u done to ur 20v to be blown?
it is not blown yet..its is my project. mods will be gze blower(runnin 10 or 12 pounds) stock internalls, front mount, chipped computer, custom manifold for blower,pulley upgrade for extra boost, bov, and thats all, mate is a performance mechanic, he said i can do it all includin engine purchase for 5-6 grand. it'll put out approx 160-170kw at the wheels.
my cousins 20v(one that beat skyline) will be in sydney this weekend..prob out at the liverpool runs on sat night..just lookout for the plates
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So give me some details, what car is the 20v in, what mods have you done? I'd love to check out a quick 20v as nowadays there are too many people running around with gze's.
ok then.this 20v was in my cousins car ae92 reddish seca. he's from newcastle, some may no w him(craig) he has eager plates.only mods to his car are->$1100 racing clutch and rush air filter, everything else is stock
doode ... seriously... i cant see a $20,000 engine will loose to a 20v ... i think he started in 3rd gear ... hahahaha j/k ...
i guess u had to be there ...
they both had shit starts skyline wheelspin20v bogged down. and then it was side by side all the way. it surprised everyone and upset the the skyline owner.
What have u done to ur 20v to be blown?
it is not blown yet..its is my project. mods will be gze blower(runnin 10 or 12 pounds) stock internalls, front mount, chipped computer, custom manifold for blower,pulley upgrade for extra boost, bov, and thats all, mate is a performance mechanic, he said i can do it all includin engine purchase for 5-6 grand. it'll put out approx 160-170kw at the wheels.
my cousins 20v(one that beat skyline) will be in sydney this weekend..prob out at the liverpool runs on sat night..just lookout for the plates
we wont bite
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Tue, 14 January 2003 12:59
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y are u putting a BOV on a supercharger???
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y are u putting a BOV on a supercharger???
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To hell with that... Why are you putting a s/c on a 20v??!
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Tue, 14 January 2003 21:29
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Actually, I didn't think that way. The Rootes type of supercharger found on a 4AGZE would strangle a 20v...
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y are u putting a BOV on a supercharger???
lik a turbo you still hav to vent the excess pressure when the throttle shuts.
To hell with that.why are you putting a s/c on a 20v??!
becoz its different.no lag.boost all the time.. doesnt have to spool.and becoz noone else has done it..
The Rootes type of supercharger found on a 4AGZE would strangle a 20v.
it will be fine.my mate the mechanic said it will go hard.and there wont be problems with the blower on a 20v.and he knows a bit about 20v.he built DROOLN blacktop turbo.and it goes pretty well.
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y are u putting a BOV on a supercharger???
lik a turbo you still hav to vent the excess pressure when the throttle shuts.
To hell with that.why are you putting a s/c on a 20v??!
becoz its different.no lag.boost all the time.. doesnt have to spool.and becoz noone else has done it..
The Rootes type of supercharger found on a 4AGZE would strangle a 20v.
it will be fine.my mate the mechanic said it will go hard.and there wont be problems with the blower on a 20v.and he knows a bit about 20v.he built DROOLN blacktop turbo.and it goes pretty well.
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Wed, 15 January 2003 06:29
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No one is bagging your ideas, just offering inputs.
The thing with the BOV is the way a positive displacement blower is mounted, do a search on the forums about it, it has been covered many times why a 4AGZE blower doesn't require a BOV.
As for the blower on a 20v, I only said that because of the way the blower performs on the 4AGZE, that thing gets strangled from all accounts up high which is exactly where a 20v is really good. Let us all know how it goes.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 15 January 2003 10:32
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I'm wondering about the $1100 racing clutch. What type of clutch is that? Overkill for a stock 20v. But good to have if you can afford it nonetheless.
its ummm. i dunno. i'll get the full details when he comes over on saturday. its the next step down from a full drag racing clutch. i think its either brass button or a ceramic one. overkill.u may think. but i'm tellin u from drivin it before and after it puts the power down a whole lot better. but its not too good on standard gearbox. but thats being fixed anyways.i think it was a smart i dea with the clutch coz he is havin thoughts about turbo'n it later so in that sense he is saving havin to buy 2 clutches.
as with the blower.although i am still keen on the gze i am lookin into the 2litre blowers.dunno wat engine.
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