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holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 08:54
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Is a holden gemeni a good car to start off with? im a L plater and im planning to save up for a moderate but good looking car to start with, can much be done with it in terms of making it more powerful.I probly seem like a stupid newb who wants more hp in his car...you'd probly be right heh. And whats that thing in the car that makes the "WOMP tzu tzu tzu tzu tzu" sound....yeah as you can tell im not much of a petrol head  .
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:00
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thats called rice ;p
put a 2JZ innit bro ;p
don't expect much, asking such a question on non-rice TOYOTA forums..
but my opinion is get a corolla and stick something mildly powerfull in there. light car, mild power = fun.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:09
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hmmm toyota corolla i'll look it up thanks for the info
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Adelaide
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:12
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Also have a look around for any nice Celicas 1971-1978 Called ta22 ta23 ra23 ra 28 etc Gemi's are shit house IMO. Rolla is also a good choice.
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:17
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go an old school celica. id post a pic if i knew how. you will lose to much money on a gemini that you will never get back.. plus they suck.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:46
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Hi,
Stay with the Gemmi sunshine. The new P-plate restrictions will put a dent in your upgrade plans. Keep the Gemmi and learn to drive properly and get off your Ps without an incident. Then.... then you can go the upgrade path without any legislations breathing down your neck.
You should go to a gemini forum, if one exists, and ask around there. I think there's a nice twin-cam Isuzu motor you can put into the car for more oomph. But, keep away from turbs or anything too radical or the cops will be all over you like flies on dogshit. You don't wanna lose your license (P plates) and you certainly don't wann lose your car either - so keep a low profile 'cos at the moment P-platers sort of have a big target on their backs.
seeyuzz
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 10:50
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You can also fit a 2L out of the rodeo's. Pretty much bolts straight in. A mate had one that put out 110 rwhp.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 14:18
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I've had alot of friends who have had gemini's and they were not impressed.
I wouldn't buy one unless it was the roll or light on fire.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 22:33
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my bro in law loves them, they can be made to go quick, due to their light weight
my bro in law has a rodeo 4ZE1 to go in one, its a 2.6L, should do mid to low 12's as standard, its for sale if u want info
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 22:50
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They can actually be made to handle pretty well too. They dont have a bad suspension setup. A guy down here has had a few and has done pretty well in rallying. He does own a Holden wreckers, so parts aren't a problem for him. He had a tarmac set up car that had a 2.6 rodeo motor that was also turdo'd. It was in Zoom once. Pretty quick. I guess if you got the money, anything can be made to go fast.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Thu, 09 June 2005 22:57
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first of all what state do you live in if its NSW you won't be doing anything to the car, so just go buy a nice stocker to drive round. 
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Fri, 10 June 2005 00:45
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buy anything except for a gemini your much better getting an old ke 30 rolla or even an ra28 or something like that.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Fri, 10 June 2005 07:29
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| mindflayerz wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 18:54 |
Is a holden gemeni a good car to start off with? im a L plater and im planning to save up for a moderate but good looking car to start with, can much be done with it in terms of making it more powerful.
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Mixed bag of idea's hey.
If you can get it cheap go for it i say
The better model to go for would be either the TE or TF cause of the Radial Tuned Suspension (RTS) which the early models didn't have. But either way the early models aren't too bad even if they do miss out on the suspension tweaks.
Engine work - If you can, start with a G180 block, use an early G160 head and adapt a weber from either the ford cortina or escort (it'll be an idea to get it rejetted too). The standard exhaust header isn't to bad but swapping it for extractors would be a good thing. 2" exhaust (see about increasing the size to 2.25" for the bend that goes over the diff) with a resonator and either a dog-leg muffler, or a straight-through muffler (depending on how you like the noise).
It'd be an idea to upgrade to the 5 speed gearbox but from what i know the 5 speed isn't as common as the 4 speed. But apart from that, parts for them is as common as pigeon poo in a city central park and just as cheap.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Fri, 10 June 2005 07:51
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| EnFlaMEd wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 19:12 |
Also have a look around for any nice Celicas 1971-1978 Called ta22 ta23 ra23 ra 28 etc Gemi's are shit house IMO. Rolla is also a good choice.
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what makes a ta22 any better ??
i drive a gemini - infact my project car is a gemini. i luv toyotas, absolutely luv em - but there is no way in hell that ANYONE can tell me that a gemini is not the best first car for someone who wants to LEARN how to modify their car
my first car was a gem, my second car was a corolla 88 csx 1.6 4ac1 carby 5 speed, my third car was a gem, my fourth car was a gem (which i currently am building on - been off the road since September 2003 full rebuild) and my most recent addition is my st162.
the gemini is the cheapest, most reliable, and most importantly, easiest, rear wheel drive car to work on that can yield some results and still function as a bit of a sporty \ attitude car
my 1600 g series carby motor had some minor work done with a full rebuild and would be head to head with SSS pulsars, chop any lancers and late model rolla's etc - the only cars i couldnt beat were V8 commodores - now for a motor that cost me all up 680 dollars for a rebuild, and a car that cost me 350 dollars without rego plus about 400 bucks to get it up to scracth plus rego, there's no way you can beat that - plus the fact that i learnt a hell of a lot from that car
now with my current gemi im running a 4ze1 2.6 litre rodeo motor bored 120 thou and stroked 10 thou (now is a 2.9 litre) with a t03 turbo (to be upgraded to a gt40/45 soon), custom front mount 450x300x79 intercooler, custom inlet and exhaust manifolds (made by me), forged ross pistons, forged argo steel rods, balanced and blueprinted bottom end, lightened flywheel, billet stage 4 cam, vernier gear, (motor is built to handle 35psi of boost) 6 x 13bt injectors, custom plenum, bosch 910 fuel pump, microtech (or megasquirt maybe) computer, running crank angle sensor with 4 external bosch coils (direct fire ignition) brass button 6 puck clutch with 1.2 tonne hand made pressure plate, celica 5 speed gearbox with standard gem diff (for now)
that is my gem as it is - motor is built, bodywork is done (ford blueprint paint with lilac pearl, with 4 point roll cage) interior will only be slighlty modified (yet to buy race buckets and harnesses) and motor needs to be dropped in, computer installed and then dynoed \ engineered\ registered and she'll be done
im hoping for 350hp at the wheels with the current t03 turbo (max of bout 18psi boost) but about 550-600 horsepower AT THE WHEELS with the GT40/45 set to 30/35psi with water spray and thats when my hilux 4.9:1 four link rear lsd will go in - this setup should run 10's or if im lucky, even 9's
whoever calls this rice - give me a call when im done and ill take you for a ride - you tell me if its rice
rice is a fucken honda civic or 92 model corolla Csi with turbo badges that havent got enough torque to move up a 30 degree angled hill - that is rice
gem's are classics - buy one, learn on it, if u want to then do it up, otherwise use it as a learning base so u can move on to whatever u like later on
i personally can pull apart and put back together any gemini or rodeo motor to standard specifications in a total of 4 hours strip and rebuild - thats the beauty of gems - everything is simple and if ur willing - u can learn a hell of a lot
thats my rant - and dont be calling gems rice bitches
as for enflamed - i dont know what you drive or what u know, but please show me why ur car is less 'rice' than a gem, considering of course that both cars were designed and made in Japan (yes believe it or not, shock, horror, surprise, gemini's are entirely isuzu spec, holden merely got them over here and assembled the ALREADY MANUFACTURED parts in oz under the shit badge of Holden - exactly the same as the Holden NOVA and APOLLO of late 80's early 90's)
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Fri, 10 June 2005 08:19
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[quote title=trd3sg wrote on Fri, 10 June 2005 17:51i drive a gemini - infact my project car is a gemini. i luv toyotas, absolutely luv em - but there is no way in hell that ANYONE can tell me that a gemini is not the best first car for someone who wants to LEARN how to modify their car[/quote]
My brother has two of 'em. One was a daily driver and a weekend cruiser, it was running a G180 rebuilt with a 2mm (i think) overbore and 2" exhaust but he's pulled it off the road for a bit more work. He's wanting to use either a G200 crank or stroke the G180 crank and use an early G160 head. His second gem is slowly being rebuilt with commo guts.
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the gemini is the cheapest, most reliable, and most importantly, easiest, rear wheel drive car to work on that can yield some results and still function as a bit of a sporty \ attitude car
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Before my brother took his TD off the road i loved driving it. Very phucking runchy. The stance, the noise, the burble while slowing down.
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Re: holden gemini newb questions
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Fri, 10 June 2005 08:31
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| river wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 19:46 |
Hi,
You should go to a gemini forum, if one exists,
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www.hotgemini.com
www.ozgemini.com
and another good one is : type in holden gemini online in a google search - first page that comes up - www.une. ,....blah blah
good site
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