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1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 13 June 2005 12:14
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Hey guys
Just found my next project car. Ive come accross a 1976 MS85 crown. He says it has Power windows, Steer and AC..Is this correct and as original from factory?
It has a 4M in it right now, which sounds like its done its rings.
How difficult is it to fit a 7MGE in?
Any info you would like to chuck my way would be greatly appreciated. For the price hes asking it sounds like a steal, but are there many hidden nasties in these old fellas?
Thanks
Blake
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 13 June 2005 12:17
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Before im abused, This project will begin when and NOT BEFORE my ma70 and ma61 are finished. But i need to buy the car now thats all 
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 13 June 2005 14:17
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haha, a nice home for your supra's 7M, makes it easy so source an engine / gearbox for it. Not that 7M-GE's are hard to find.
The Stitt has a crown from around then with a 7M, not exactly sure what model, but check out his 'my ride' thread for some info perhaps.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 13 June 2005 18:36
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7M bolts in just a few bits have to be moved around.
Not that it will makke a huge difference my car is 3 models older, than the MS85
I'm actualy doing a big write up of my car's transplant atm. It will be done in a few days. As peeack said check out my members rides, link is below.
An Q's just p.m. me
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 00:01
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thanks dudes i will have a read tonite.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 00:06
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check for rust, from what ive been told these are aussie models, AMI used to skimp on the rustproofing/undercoat.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 00:14
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this one was made in japan as far as the guy told me
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 05:45
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You'll have to set it up to run EFI (EFI pump, lift tank, EFI lines), other than that there shouldn't be a whole lot to putting the 7m in it.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 06:33
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| wilbo666 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 15:45 |
there shouldn't be a whole lot to putting the 7m in it.
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"It bolts right in!"
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 09:15
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 16:33 |
| wilbo666 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 15:45 |
there shouldn't be a whole lot to putting the 7m in it.
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"It bolts right in!"
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Now now
But of course we know it does 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 09:37
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The thought of an old school crown that will be faster than most late model cars i find quite amsing.
Whats the weight of these things?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 10:06
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ok turns out it has square headlights...other than that are they identical to the aussie ones?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 10:31
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thanks trent 
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 12:06
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 19:37 |
The thought of an old school crown that will be faster than most late model cars i find quite amsing.
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it will still drive like a whale with a gut full of beer
a fast whale yes ... but still a whale
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 12:09
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yeah its not got exactly "supra" suspsion 
Live axle - woot! locked diff here i come baby!
Wonder what series diff is in these? F or E series?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 14:04
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I know the MS5X weighs about 1350kg so I wouldn't imagine it would weight much more
As for diffs they are all F series except for the AMI jobbies shit borgwerners in them (I can't spell)
I'm really happy with the True Trak Lsd in mine
and yes the handle as well as a pissed whale
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 14:45
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| wilbo666 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 15:45 |
You'll have to set it up to run EFI (EFI pump, lift tank, EFI lines), other than that there shouldn't be a whole lot to putting the 7m in it.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Not if he puts a 351 in there, with 4 barrel (or two!). Don't forget the shaker/tunnel ram
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 23:39
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 16:33 |
"It bolts right in!"
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But it does!
Check for rust. Almost all MS85s will be Aussie built. The Super Saloon is the one you want (has everything that opens and closes) and even though these are Jap imports, they mostly are now lumps of rust held together with bog and paint. Even the plastic rusts.
If you have acquired a CS, I would be removing the unrusted and straight bits and scrapping it - shouldn't involve more than pouring a bucket of water on it.
The square headlight models are the 100 series. If you find a Royal Saloon, grab it.
And Blake, I hope you noticed there wasn't a Ford or Holden motor in sight on Sunday.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 23:44
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:39 |
The square headlight models are the 100 series. If you find a Royal Saloon, grab it.
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za?
but theres pics of jappy 80 series crowns on classic crown with square headlights bra
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Tue, 14 June 2005 23:55
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There were 3 releases of the 80 series.
 October 1974 to November 1976
 November 1976 to February 1978
 February 1978 to August 1979
There are 2 round headlights in a square frame.
Here is the 100 series.
I like the coupe. Oh and I saw an MX41 on the weekend. Despite feeling miserable about my Crown, I was blown away.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 00:19
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:39 |
And Blake, I hope you noticed there wasn't a Ford or Holden motor in sight on Sunday.
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Actually Dave, there was a holden donk of some description in that bright orange ute of some description.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 00:43
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| BlackSupra wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 10:19 |
| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:39 |
And Blake, I hope you noticed there wasn't a Ford or Holden motor in sight on Sunday.
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Actually Dave, there was a holden donk of some description in that bright orange ute of some description.
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urgh....but on the upside I bet it "Bolted in"
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 00:46
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Glen, delete your post and let us never speak of it again.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 01:10
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Damm, I missed out on giving shit to you Dave. I managed to catch up with Glen and Joel though 
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:00
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No probs Shane....we'll catch up some time soon I'm sure.
Oh and Blake, I'll just warn you now, Classicrown is full of intolerant old timers (like me). Any fuckwitry of any description gets you a ticket out of there. Take heed, play it smart and enjoy your (hopefully long) stay.
If you are going to do a 7MGE conversion, try and find a Japanese 7MGE out of an MS137. It runs higher compression (9.8:1) and has a Karman vortex style AFM (like the 7MGTE and 1UZFE). Scour the auctions and you might find a smashed one for not much.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:01
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:39 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 16:33 |
"It bolts right in!"
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But it does!
Check for rust. Almost all MS85s will be Aussie built. The Super Saloon is the one you want (has everything that opens and closes) and even though these are Jap imports, they mostly are now lumps of rust held together with bog and paint. Even the plastic rusts.
If you have acquired a CS, I would be removing the unrusted and straight bits and scrapping it - shouldn't involve more than pouring a bucket of water on it.
The square headlight models are the 100 series. If you find a Royal Saloon, grab it.
And Blake, I hope you noticed there wasn't a Ford or Holden motor in sight on Sunday.
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So are you saying i should or shouldnt get this? its a 1976 model. he insists the only rust is around the front and back windscreens. Everything else good. Paint is blue and good too. He also thinks it has only done 47557 original KM, because it is a 1 owner.
no idea whether its a royal or not.
Friday i go to pick it up. for $250, even if it is a POS - not a great loss.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:06
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 13:00 |
Oh and Blake, I'll just warn you now, Classicrown is full of intolerant old timers (like me). Any fuckwitry of any description gets you a ticket out of there. Take heed, play it smart and enjoy your (hopefully long) stay.
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hes not wrong, i used sarcasm once and was totally lynched (not joking).
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:11
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 11:06 |
| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 13:00 |
Oh and Blake, I'll just warn you now, Classicrown is full of intolerant old timers (like me). Any fuckwitry of any description gets you a ticket out of there. Take heed, play it smart and enjoy your (hopefully long) stay.
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hes not wrong, i used sarcasm once and was totally lynched (not joking).
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Should we bring in said policy here?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:56
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sounds like ill just be staying on toymods shitstirring
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 04:00
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Somebody say shit stirring???
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Wed, 15 June 2005 04:46
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 14:00 |
Somebody say shit stirring???
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yeah bitch, bring it on 
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Fri, 17 June 2005 14:10
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I also noticed when putting the thing on the trailer both wheels spun...being this import special thing, is it possible it has an LSD? I'll find out for sure on sunday, just curious as to if anyone knows if they came out with one though?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Sat, 18 June 2005 01:55
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Sat, 18 June 2005 00:10 |
I also noticed when putting the thing on the trailer both wheels spun...being this import special thing, is it possible it has an LSD? I'll find out for sure on sunday, just curious as to if anyone knows if they came out with one though?
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Check the ID plate, should be F??X if the last digit is a 3 or a 5 you have LSD goodness.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Sat, 18 June 2005 02:38
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They never came out in Australia with an LSD. An MA61 LSD or TrueTrac F series LSD could be fitted without too much fuss.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Sat, 18 June 2005 06:44
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yeah no lsd..F082 it is. 4.1 open 2 pinion.
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 20 June 2005 00:09
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And guess who has a spare MA61 LSD lying around?
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Re: 1976 MS85 CROWN
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Mon, 20 June 2005 01:04
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 10:09 |
And guess who has a spare MA61 LSD lying around?
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haha give it to charles to put in the mz10
Cheers
Wilbo
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I know this due to a log book that was in the car...