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W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:12
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What ratios are the different W series boxes.
which of the series should i use behind a 4agte? Which should i avoid?
the gearing on a W58 seems a little on the tall side from what ive seen, not sure on the rest of the ratios for other boxes.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:14
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W57 and W58 share same ratios 1-4 and reverse. 5th is slightly taller in 58.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:17
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Yup, what he said. W58 has a much taller 5th which is nice for highway cruising. If you've got an uber-low diff ratio and use 5th on the track I'd recommend the W57, otherwise go W58.
W56 and W59 are truck boxes so should definitely be avoided. W55 has fairly wide-spaced ratios so isn't a good option either.
Clicky-clicky
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:23
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very helpful, thanks norbs
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:48
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Easy way to remember the difference is that 5th in a W58 is 0.75, while 5th in a W57 is 0.85 (swap the 7 for an eight each time or vice versa depending on your bent....).
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:52
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Ok, so what sort of clutch will i have to run with a W series box behind a 4age using a custom bellhousing?
i want to keep the lighter 4age style flywheel i have, this is the 212mm size clutch for t50's
so what can i get?
also
what is average price to pay for a W57?
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October 2003
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Mon, 07 March 2005 23:19
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:17 |
Yup, what he said. W58 has a much taller 5th which is nice for highway cruising. If you've got an uber-low diff ratio and use 5th on the track I'd recommend the W57, otherwise go W58.
W56 and W59 are truck boxes so should definitely be avoided. W55 has fairly wide-spaced ratios so isn't a good option either.
Clicky-clicky
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Yeah i have noticed in my SA63 it goes 1st 2nd 4th 5th 6th
it's a massive jump once you get out if 3rd
and 4th and 5th are very close together
3000rpm on 5th it spot on 100km/h
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November 2003
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Tue, 08 March 2005 03:27
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gee a 6 speed mookie where'd you find that one 
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Tue, 08 March 2005 07:47
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A w series box behind a 4AGE would be major over kill unles your putting out more than 250hp at the wheels. pluss all that extra weight your draging around, unless you need the ballast.A 22 spline T50 is not only more than capable of handling your power it weighs a hellava lot less and has a much better ratio spread @ 1st 3.587 2nd 2.022 3rd 1.384 4th 1.00 5th 0.861
or the c.r. set 1st 2.630 2nd 1.891 3rd 1.380 4th and 5th the same.
compere to W57 c.r. box 1st 3.281 2nd 1.894 3rd 1.275 top 1.00 and .0860 5th
I run a T50 behind a 230hp 3SGE and have no complaints whatso ever
just my 2 bobs worth
kaspa
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Tue, 08 March 2005 09:09
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| kaspa wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 15:47 |
A w series box behind a 4AGE would be major over kill unles your putting out more than 250hp at the wheels. pluss all that extra weight your draging around, unless you need the ballast.A 22 spline T50 is not only more than capable of handling your power it weighs a hellava lot less and has a much better ratio spread @ 1st 3.587 2nd 2.022 3rd 1.384 4th 1.00 5th 0.861
or the c.r. set 1st 2.630 2nd 1.891 3rd 1.380 4th and 5th the same.
compere to W57 c.r. box 1st 3.281 2nd 1.894 3rd 1.275 top 1.00 and .0860 5th
I run a T50 behind a 230hp 3SGE and have no complaints whatso ever
just my 2 bobs worth
kaspa
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Probably, but you mustn't have seen how he drives  
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Tue, 08 March 2005 09:19
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250rwhp
yeah on low boost maybe dude...
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:25
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| kaspa wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 18:17 |
A w series box behind a 4AGE would be major over kill unles your putting out more than 250hp at the wheels. pluss all that extra weight your draging around, unless you need the ballast.A 22 spline T50 is not only more than capable of handling your power it weighs a hellava lot less and has a much better ratio spread @ 1st 3.587 2nd 2.022 3rd 1.384 4th 1.00 5th 0.861
or the c.r. set 1st 2.630 2nd 1.891 3rd 1.380 4th and 5th the same.
compere to W57 c.r. box 1st 3.281 2nd 1.894 3rd 1.275 top 1.00 and .0860 5th
I run a T50 behind a 230hp 3SGE and have no complaints whatso ever
just my 2 bobs worth
kaspa
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hmm i must be the only one to think these gearboxes are weak as piss?
i have seen them break behind stock 4ages, GZE's turbo 4age's and even a 4ac. Josh Young who has the pink ae86 Drift car blew 2nd gear while at wakefielcd park. Beau Yates has chewed through two boxes also.
no i dont think its overkill at all... dont know about you guys but i hate changing gearboxes!
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:36
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The W55 has very similar ratios to the T50, and is what I'm using behind my 4AGTE, with a 3.9:1 diff ratio. It seems pretty good, but I have been thinking that a taller 5th would be alot nicer on the freeway.
Eventually I'd like to find a W58 and give that a try.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 08:49
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I've busted 2 t50's, granted they weren't new/rebuilt. But who has enough dough to rebuild one in the first place. Should've got a W55 long ago and saved my cash.
Sure it's the shock loading that kills the boxes, but show me a 4age owner that doesn't like to clutch kick (kick kick kick) Then they get smart and get boost  (2nd pops and makes nasty noises the first time they jump into 2nd)
There's not much difference between the spread of gears between a w55-w57-w58. 4th is closer to 3rd in a w57-w58. The other difference is that you need lowlow diff ratios to match a w55.
w55 with 3.7 is like a w57 with 4.3, going by memory. I had a nice spreadsheet, but it's my other computer.
dodgydan
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 09:10
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| c2888 wrote on Thu, 10 March 2005 16:49 |
w55 with 3.7 is like a w57 with 4.3, going by memory. I had a nice spreadsheet, but it's my other computer.
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W55 with 3.727 is the same as W57/8 with 4.1 in first and 2nd.
Once you are in the 3rd the 4.1 diff gives the better accel, but once cruising the 3.727 is the go.
Its a hard choice.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 10:00
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i have a 4.1 diff and the car is going to be used for thrashing purposes. dont care about highway cruising, whoich is the best ratio to go?
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 10:07
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simon, im decided upon my combo, am gonna be using the w 58 with that 4.6 fianl if it ever gets her, otherwise a 4,3 ratio diff....
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 10:34
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Depends if you need time and revs to spool boost.
Norbie chose a 3.58 for his 2jzgte because it means he can now boost in 1st gear.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 12:29
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Correct.
For this application I'd go with the W57 and 4.1 diff. Should work pretty well I reckon.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 10 March 2005 13:21
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I run a 3.57 with a w50 behind the 7M in the crown, just right could be a little taller for hwy purposes but is pretty much smack on perfect
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Wed, 23 March 2005 09:56
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link no workuy mate
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Wed, 23 March 2005 10:18
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im using the W59 with stock diff, the ratios were quite good when i was running the gze, however id probably like closer ratios to keep the thing on boost longer. 5th could defiantely do with being a little taller.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 24 March 2005 18:14
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so which box in the w sereis has the closest ratios? because we have a guy here that has a 3s in an ae86 and his ratios are all over the place.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Thu, 24 March 2005 23:44
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Read the thread. I posted a link for W series gear ratios.
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Fri, 25 March 2005 06:13
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| c2888 wrote on Thu, 10 March 2005 19:19 |
but show me a 4age owner that doesn't like to clutch kick (kick kick kick)
dodgydan
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Sat, 25 June 2005 12:32
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BUMP....anyone?
also does anyone know if a W55 is a speedo cable or electronic sensor? i want to hook it up to a JZA80 dash cluster
thankyou
Dom
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Re: W series boxes - ratios
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Sun, 26 June 2005 23:44
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It's pretty hard to say which ratio will suit you best - it depends on your driving style and intended application among other things. The 20v is a pretty revvy engine though so a lower diff ratio is probably the way to go.
W55's have a mechanical speedo cable but the electronic sensors from later-model W5x's will plug right in.
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