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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Sun, 03 July 2005 11:15
 
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Sun, 03 July 2005 20:27
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michael (and i'm only guessing here) i'd go to a wreckers and get a pedal box from a TA22 and try utilising that (given the ke25 and the ta22 are similar vintage)
as one of the bolts that holds the clutch master on is part of the pedal box assy this should fit fine and mount the master up in a good location.
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 00:32
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Yeah thanks, but i have all the parts the problem is hooking up the master cylinder... You can see in the pic that behind the inlet plenum is the brake master(tight fit) but where the clutch master should go there is not enough room... So anyone know how to hook it up?
Cheers
Michael
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 01:22
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clutch master is much smaller than brakes tho, so chance are it may still _just_ fit?
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 01:40
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On my ke25 we modified the original pedal box, fitted the clutch slave cylinder in the location of the original brake master cylinder and fitted a small booster and master cylinder where you have circled in your pic. All works and fits well in my car. I am using a TA22 clutch master cylinder (AE86 would be fine too), and TA22 booster and brake master cylinder (new one used). I have tried to take pics of the pedal box to help people before and I don't think the pics turn out well enough to be of use.
If you follow my path the reinforce the fire wall where you mount the brake booster/master to minimise firewall flex.
You can have a look at my car on Sunday if you have not sorted it out by then.
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 02:14
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Alright i have a few ideas... I'll try and work something out.. Yeah the clutch master is smaller than booster. it would be a really tight fit...
Alright thanks shane, i'll bring my camera too.
Also i was thinking could it be driveable if you mounted it under the dash?
CHeeers
Michael
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 02:38
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There are more a few ways to skin a cat! I am sure you will think of something to set all this up. Just make sure it is practical! Fitting the master cylinder under the dash can work, but you must make sure you are still able to fill the reservoir with fluid in a relatively easy manner.
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 04 July 2005 06:28
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Yeah thanks i was working on it today and there is no room for it to fit in the normal position so that idea is out...
Kehamer is sending me a pic of how he set his clutch up with the 4age, so i'll see how that looks,
Thanks for your help guys... also if anyone has any more ideas please let me know,
Cheers
Michael
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adelaide
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May 2005
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Tue, 05 July 2005 02:53
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any reason you don't want to just stick with the cable?
changing the clutch fork pull to push is simply a matter of
mounting the cable sheath on the fork and the cable itself
behind the fork ... this "pulls" the fork toward the rear
rather than toward the front.
of course ... there may be a pretty decent reason to stick
with hydraulic that 'm siply missing 
Slapper
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Tue, 05 July 2005 03:27
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cos thats an ultra bodgy way of doing it 
due to the angle the sheath contacts the fork changing with fork movement, the sheath will be bent every time you change the clutch, and will also rub on the cable every time... this WILL eventually result in failure...
i hate clutch cable failures 
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Tue, 05 July 2005 05:19
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Yeah i don't wanna stuff around with the clutch cable, plus i have an extra heavy duty clutch and supposedly the clutch cables can't really take that much pressure.
Anyone else got any ideas?
Cheers
Michael
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Tue, 05 July 2005 05:39
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well..
take the stock setup (if it is anything like the 10's) where the clutch pedal connects to a rod that goes through the pedal assembly pivot (if that makes sense) so that the arm that activates the clutch cable is on the drivers side.. turn that arm around 180degrees, so that instead of pulling, it is now pushing, and then hook up the cluthc masters pushrod to this arm.. basically, same as having the CMC on passenger side of MC, but is now on drivers side...
alternatively, you could extend it even further away from motor.. but then you might want a support bearing to stop the whole pedal assembly from bending..
firewall bracing is definitely the go tho.. even with stock setup they can crack eventually.
after that, you are lookign at remote linkage setups... like in dattos or was that accel?? there are some cars with remote brake master assemblies (not the remote booster.. mech linkage to the master..)
cya, Stewart
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Tue, 05 July 2005 08:03
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Thats wat i needed Stuart, something to hook up to that mechanism... I'll have a look at that tomorrow and hopefully it should work.
Cheers
Michael
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 01 August 2005 07:29
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WEll finally i managed to hook up my clutch using 'Kehamers'(James') method. if anyone wants pics or how to setup ot up just ask,
Cheers
Michael
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Adelaide
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October 2002
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 01 August 2005 08:03
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 05 July 2005 15:09 |
well..
take the stock setup (if it is anything like the 10's) where the clutch pedal connects to a rod that goes through the pedal assembly pivot (if that makes sense) so that the arm that activates the clutch cable is on the drivers side.. turn that arm around 180degrees, so that instead of pulling, it is now pushing, and then hook up the cluthc masters pushrod to this arm.. basically, same as having the CMC on passenger side of MC, but is now on drivers side...
alternatively, you could extend it even further away from motor.. but then you might want a support bearing to stop the whole pedal assembly from bending..
firewall bracing is definitely the go tho.. even with stock setup they can crack eventually.
after that, you are lookign at remote linkage setups... like in dattos or was that accel?? there are some cars with remote brake master assemblies (not the remote booster.. mech linkage to the master..)
cya, Stewart
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No room to rotate the clutch master cylinder lever thing 180 deg. If you did it, it would pivot that high up that you'd have to mount the master cylinder in the gutter under the windscreen.
I used 5mm plate for no flex and mounted a KE30 pedal lever thing with a few holes drilled here and there. CMC sits in the normal spot, and there is no interference problems with a 4AGE in KE10
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Re: Converting Ke25 to hyraulic clutch
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Mon, 01 August 2005 12:23
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YEah good point but my mounts were made shithouse so you look at the pic up the top and you can see that there is no room for the cmc in the normal spot. that is the hole point of hooking something else up.
Michael
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