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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Mon, 11 July 2005 13:18
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Im just curious as to whether or not there are any quad TB's available for a 3s?I know its possible to get customs made up but that's exy as.I've heard rumours that 20V quads will bolt straight on, but im pretty sure that they would not being a smaller engine and all. Any ideas?
Im lookin at building upo a gen2 NA with head work,cams, aftermarket computer and was thinking that this would be the last step that could be taken.
Cheers
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Mon, 11 July 2005 13:26
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seriously weigh up the cost of this versus getting a beams 3SGE... they have everything done and can probably get more than you could with whatever amount of work on an earlier one...
as for throttles... design the throttle around the engine, not the engine around the throttles
20V will very unlikely just "bolt on" (who has that as their sig?), but you could prolly make up an adaptor for them....
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Mon, 11 July 2005 13:32
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i'd love to be able to get a beams but i cant afford it.I ve worked out that i can do bit s at a time and get the engine built up and it has to be done by a certain date(conditions of loan for car etc)with tax comin in and all this seems to be the only way i can afford a worked engine.The quads arent necessarily goin to go on, but i was just curious. Thanx anyway
i did find somethin on Bill Sherwoods site though so that might come in handy.
Cheers
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Mon, 11 July 2005 14:11
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ahh k, been there done that ... there is only so mcuh you can do bit by bit until you have to start doing big things at a time... all i can say is to have the final idea for the motor right from the start, and do the next bit that will realise gains toward your goal ... no point having to redo something, but some things don't work by themselves.. ahh car fun
quads ALWAYS sound good
BEAMS have lighter parts to allow more power at high rpm, and the variable stuff gives you more top end and bottom end... and are also higher compression.. anyway.. i like em
if i could ship some back for the boys, i'd love to, but it aint that easy..
(anyone got a container they need filling and a truck i can borow )
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I supported Toymods
Location: I renounced punctuation
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Mon, 11 July 2005 16:59
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Yeah, been done. TRD do kits.
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Toymods member I supported Toymods
Location: Rydalmere, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Tue, 12 July 2005 07:05
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Hmmm, so I guess that answers my query about whether or not quad's on a 3S BEAMS will fit in a RAV.... apparently not. East/west mount will mean it'll be sucking in air from the cabin.
If anyone with a RAV4 asks me, now I can tell them for certain.
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I supported Toymods
Location: sydney.au
Registered: August 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Tue, 12 July 2005 07:36
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TODA can also make you 3S 4throttle kits
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: December 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 14:15
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If its sucking air from cabin side(inlet) its always possible to box them up and make a "ram" style intake, similar to those i have seen on sprinter 30v conversions.In fact, i believe it is recommended for getting more cold air and also protecting the socks etc if something were to go astray.
a sprinter guy from here had an engine bay fire and fried his.There's a thread in general conv. about it.
I wonder how much the kits are?Exy as i imagine
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Location: Barbados
Registered: November 2004
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 22:27
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I emailed TODA about that same quad-throttle kit and they said they no longer have plans to release it to the public.
What throttles are used in the TRD kit?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 03:12
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just get a twin DCOE manifold for the 3s (ive seen them fs somewhere ) then get a set of DCOE quads
Injection Perfection and that other mob make em (on TweakIt) forget their name....
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: July 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 03:48
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RAV-GT4 wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 17:05 | Hmmm, so I guess that answers my query about whether or not quad's on a 3S BEAMS will fit in a RAV.... apparently not. East/west mount will mean it'll be sucking in air from the cabin.
If anyone with a RAV4 asks me, now I can tell them for certain.
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couldnt see why it wouldnt fit .. the beams engine fits into the sw20 and the st202 from factory and both are fairly tight. so i couldnt see why it wouldnt fit in the same/similar space as the 3sgte/3sge inlet plenum
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Location: nth ringwood, Victoria
Registered: August 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:22
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the TRD inlet and the quads measure up to 170mm from the head to ram tube so probaly not much room for a fwd set up
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I supported Toymods Banned User
Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:29
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Can you bolt a plenum on the end of the quads?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 06:36
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absolutely u can bolt a plenum onto the quads
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Location: Canberra, ACT
Registered: September 2002
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 20:12
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so you are saying that all those race cars all over the world that run trumpets and socks are gonna catch on fire?
inital d is a cartoon dude...
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 02:33
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The risk is there, its something you have to weigh up. Besides having a plenum is quite beneficial for sucking large amounts of cold air into the engine...
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 03:03
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Jezza wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 06:12 | so you are saying that all those race cars all over the world that run trumpets and socks are gonna catch on fire?
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if they have enough reversion to spray fuel onto the trumpets and then are sitting at a set of lights long enough to raise the temps to where the fuel autoignites maybe
typically race cars are run flat strap, and so much air is being sucked thru the trumpets that any fuel that does arrive there from reversion will be sucked thru anyway, and hopefulyl they don't have as much reversion as a typical road car... sure it's more of a prob with cary cars, but it can and does happen with EFI too... you see the fuel "mist" above the trumpets....
Jezza wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 06:12 |
inital d is a cartoon dude...
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yes.. yes it is
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 04:23
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Yeah, admittedly mine was compromised by a bolt on my exhuast which snapped (after the extractors) and dropped half of the exhaust down an inch... Im now 95% sure that this is the causal factor for the backfire.
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 04:31
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takai wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 14:23 | Yeah, admittedly mine was compromised by a bolt on my exhuast which snapped (after the extractors) and dropped half of the exhaust down an inch... Im now 95% sure that this is the causal factor for the backfire.
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ya think??
point is tho that it can, will and does happen...
at least we all agree plenums are good
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 04:54
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Not really, remember under bonnet temps soar when you are sitting on the grid, and drop dramatically when in motion. It is quite normal for a race car to have blistering hot temps on the grid.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 04:58
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i guess so, but most high output na 4cyls run them without issues....so i dont see one...
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I supported Toymods Banned User
Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 04:59
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So after all this what TB's are the ones to use one a 3S?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 05:12
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id use a DCOE manifold and DCOE throttle bodies
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 05:34
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While i would make a custom and use 20v throttle bodies.
Either that or some of those nice alloy throttle plates from Meridian/Speedflow/EFI Tech/any number of other places.
Then again i would probably run twin fuel rails, and down throat injection....
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 05:36
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bit off topic
but whats the port spacing on a 20v? as in, centre of port to centre of port? would like to know if i can make a manifold to suit a 12a
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 06:04
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Jezza wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 15:12 | id use a DCOE manifold and DCOE throttle bodies
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yeah cos thats ideal
my personal preference for EFI TB's are "EFI hardware" and "TWM". both have great designs and the fuel rails and linkages are easily adaptable (important for custom fitting)
as with any good TB setup, you are looking at about $1200-1500 for the TB's alone...
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 06:04
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Cool1 wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 14:59 | So after all this what TB's are the ones to use one a 3S?
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ones that are the right size for the desired intake velocity
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I supported Toymods Banned User
Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 06:14
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oldcorollas wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 16:04 |
Cool1 wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 14:59 | So after all this what TB's are the ones to use one a 3S?
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ones that are the right size for the desired intake velocity
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Why didnt I know that.
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Location: nth ringwood, Victoria
Registered: August 2002
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Re: Quad throttles on a 3s?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 06:24
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im in the process of getting some 20v throttle bodies cast up so they can be 45mm 48mm or 50 mm they will come with linkages and will bolt up to the trd 3sge inlet and of course any 20 valve motor
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