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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sat, 16 July 2005 11:53
 
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Being new, alot of people will ask you to search the forums.
Look under '3sgte conversion' you will get alot of relevent information needed for your conversion.
Search is your friend, any speicific questions you have to ask. Then make a new thread about it.
Don't forget to search the dedicated celica forums/websites out there as well. More then enough information.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sat, 16 July 2005 12:00
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5000 will most likely be a good amount of money to purchase a gen 3 3sgte with the better ct20b turbo and also try and source urself an mr2 lsd gearbox.
a bigger turbo and aftermarket ecu will probably cost u a bit more later on, but what is described above will certainly be a great improvement.
As richie said, search around and if you get stuck, plenty of people will be willing to help u im sure.
Good Luck buddy
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sun, 17 July 2005 10:08
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Be very careful about this.
I've got a 96 Caldina which I was looking into the same conversion for.
In NSW, you need to fit an engine with the same or better pollution gear than what your car came out as factory with.
Usually, here that means fitting an engine the same age or newer than yours (easiest to justify to an engineer).
As a 96, you need to find either one of the very late Celica GT4 (Gen III) engines (SSS in Sydney have a half cut in stock at the moment for about $7k), or a GenIV from a Caldina (Tweakit had one for ~$4k, dunno if they still do)
I don't know if the rules are the same in Qld (I haven't lived there for 9 years) but you might want to check.
The Gen IV is a better motor (except for trying upgrade the turbo) than the Gen III, but the GT4 has better other bits like 4 spot brakes.
Looked at a V6 conversion? I looked at his too after finding out 4wd conversion was too expensive.
Will be a bolt in to your car, easier to engineer & I reckon could be made to go just as hard.
Last time I asked, a front cut from an Oz 97 Camry V6 was $2k. The 97- V6 manual boxes accept the MR2 turbo LSD & there's a TRD supercharger kit for them.
I've seen one of these engines in an SW20 in the US with NOS & Supercharger running 550hp at the wheels.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sun, 17 July 2005 10:56
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speak to WM Peformance in brisbane.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sun, 17 July 2005 12:26
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just do research on what gbox to run
i havnt seen a fwd/2wd gbox behind a 3sgte handle a thrashing without breaking
speak to someone out there that might know shit bou tthe gboxes
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sun, 17 July 2005 22:53
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That sounds very tempting  ...what's the best offer you can do or do you know somebody thats gets them in all the time cos i'll prob won't do the conversion for a lil while down the track, have to get rid of the repayments first  of about $4000 for the car. How much in total would i be looking for in a total conversion including gearbox, LSD, etc fitted and ready to go turn some heads?
In addition, just checked out a site called "Melbourne Car Cruise Registry" with some interesting info as such:
If you can't find/afford a Gen 3, just get a Gen 2 SW20 halfcut and you'll have everything you need for the conversion. If you look carefully you can pick up one for 2k. You can piss of the parts you don't need off the front cut as well as your old 3sge and box to the value of at least 1k. The 3SGTE is actually a fairly engine to install and a 3sge-->3sgte swap will be very easy to do. If you do the swap yourself you can knock off the whole labour component for under a few hundred dollars. If you want it done for you, then budget 1k for this. After spending 2k max, you have a turbo MR2 pushing 150kw at the engine. Add an exhaust, air filter, FCD and some more boost for the CT26 and your looking closer to 180kw which should satisfy you for a little while. After upgrading your brakes/suspension you can then persue further bolt on mods which can easily get up to 250kw at the engine on stock internals.
If that's the case, i might just got for a Gen 2 3S-GTE which would be fairly easier on my wallet and might be able to get it quicker in the short run. I can still add more boost onto the CT20 and get a healthy 180kw at the wheels and as the article above says...just keep modding it til i get 250kw at the fronts.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Sun, 17 July 2005 23:22
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some points you should know.
your engine mounting postions are different therefore engine mounts need to be fabricated.
the gen 3 or above 3sgte will cost you about 4g's min for a halfcut, and i can assure you, that you will need more then 1,000 for it to be installed wired up simply because its engine mounts need to be moved, also you need a engineers cert. You will need a mr2 gearbox, (hard to find, well lsd anyways) I am not trying to talk you out of it but be very aware that this could take up the whole 10,000 that you have.
good luck
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 02:31
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You said you have 12k to spend, the engine conversion will cost around 8k, then you need some bigger brakes, and a better handling package too, whats the point of going fast when it cant corner lol. My mate put a 3sgte in a sv21 camry and had the standard pads, he was consistantly running mid to high 13s hitting 200 every run at the drags, and he said the next day the brake pads bent like a banana, you need to get bigger brakes like the rav4 or gt4 brakes.
Is your camry the widebody like below, or the one after it?.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/577588/1
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 02:49
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Do you have pics of your car?, whats the model number of the clarion headunit?.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 02:54
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I'll have to get some piccies of the car later as mum has taken it to work today  lol. I dunno, i just walked into Complete Car Sound, looked at features n said i wanted that one. I can't really remember the model number but its a pretty slick piece of equipment to have in the car.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 03:23
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| BigRemz wrote on Mon, 18 July 2005 12:54 |
I'll have to get some piccies of the car later as mum has taken it to work today lol. I dunno, i just walked into Complete Car Sound, looked at features n said i wanted that one. I can't really remember the model number but its a pretty slick piece of equipment to have in the car.
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HEHE you will have to learn the hard way, that conversions never go to plan, and they always cost and take longer than you expected. If you planning to do it now you need to be staring at atleast 10k in your bank, for the whole project, if not start saving.
Ok if you think it would be cheaper than 6k heres a rundown to show you what you need.
3SGTE engine and gearbox - $2200 as you said
custom driveshafts-mating to the mr2 box - $500
Intercooler piping - $1000
Exhaust 3inch - $1000
bigger brakes package - around $1000, (you will need this or wont get engineered)
Proper suspension package - $1000
labour around - $3000k unless your mate does it for you
engineering certificate - $500
..so thats $10200 and still there are some other costs, as you can see it wont be cheap, im not trying to scare you, just showing you the reality  .
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 05:03
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the 2200 engine and gear box, thats the single spinner box not the lsd, as i said they are very hard to find when found they cost an arm and leg. ie close to 2,000 or more from everywhere that has one. ring bd4's i know they have some, but sit down when they qoute you the price.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 05:04
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the 2.2 box will take a hiding providing ur not a f**king idiot and the box has been treatd half decent before u bought it... my car pushs 189fwkw through a 2.2 box had the car has been onroad for ages not even a syncro has gone..
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 05:09
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I should be right with the spinner box yeah? Its gonna be a cruiser Camry with some occasional "legal but not legal racing" and the occasional "burn outs" here n there sometimes, but not all the time. Other than that, i just want the Camry to go hard n sound phat.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 05:14
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lsd is over rated if i wanted lsd id go buy a kaaz 2 way lsd and put it in my box ... the box would almost certainly break then lol
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 05:22
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If that's all you're using the car for, a single spinner should be fine.
LSD is really useful if you need both wheels to get traction in either launching or cornering situations.
I've never really driven a FF car hard and therefor have no idea on cornering applications, but I know with FR and MR cars, I MUCH prefer the predictability of LSD for hard cornering.
I really wouldn't call it overrated though, I could never go back to an open diff.
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 06:17
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If you go LSD with that much torque in that thing, the first roundabout you take in the wet you will go straight and crash!
Trev
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Re: 3SGTE coversion to a Camry
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Mon, 18 July 2005 12:04
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| berad wrote on Mon, 18 July 2005 16:19 |
i have no problem taking off dead even with a rwd car / lsd / locked diff and mine is a single spinner all in the driver , clutch control etc
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Yep, well sorta
I find in an underpowered car, clutch control is great for keeping the car from bogging down. But in an overpowered car, you'll have the clutch all the way out before you know it and the key becomes accelerator control.
| berad wrote on Mon, 18 July 2005 19:50 |
i just ride the clutch a lil then clutch out then accelerate u try and luanch with any decent amount of power goin to the wheels and youll fry the tyres and wont move at all
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A LSD will help rectify this big time. Breaking traction with two wheels is a lot harder than spinning one.
Anyways dude, if it's just a quick budget streeter that's going to turn a couple of heads, a single spinner is fine.
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3SGTE coversion to a Camry
