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Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 15:53
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Just see if anyone responds to this. Just curious what people personally think the car most ahead of its time for its era, or at least ur fav example.
For me it'd prolly be the FC3S ('85) or RD3S RX7 ('92).
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 16:02
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Toyota 2000GT
no question
also the McLaren F1, more than 20 years ago it entered the supercar scene and topped the world......until today...it is still on top.
"built without compromise, for performance without equal"
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Burlington, On. Canada
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 20:47
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'60s & '70s Lamborghini Muira SV
'80s Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV
'90s & beyond Mclaren F1
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 22:09
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Porsche 959, Ferrari F40, McLaren F1, Pretty much every old citroen bar the 2cv 
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 23:23
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NSU Ro80 - I rode in one recently, and the NVH levels are up there with most modern cars.
Not bad for 1967...
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 23:46
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The Volkswagen Beetle.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:02
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| rsdeo wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 06:47 |
'60s & '70s Lamborghini Muira SV
'80s Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV
'90s & beyond Mclaren F1
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This man echos my sentiments.
Miura was introduced before the 2000GT.
The Countach despite being released in the 70s is still a timeless machine.
The Mclaren is in a very rarefied league (that it created).
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:04
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Toyota Celica '90 - '93.
Hop into one of these and you'll notice they have the stylish moulted 'cockpit' dash, all the trimmings of todays era, vanity lights, courtesy lights in the door, push button dash etc... And combined with an ageless exterior.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:23
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Hi,
Mercedes Benz 300SL "Gullwing"
Ferrari 365 GTB/4 "Daytona"
Mini "Cooper"
Audi Quattro
BMW M1
seeyuzz
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:29
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Hi,
Oh, forget to add...
Jaguar D-type
Stutz Bearcat
seeyuzz
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:34
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hillman hunter royal 
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:44
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For mine the Lamborghini Countach and the 2000GT both come to mind
the 2000T released in 67-68 still comands a presence on the road (if you see one on the road)
and the Lamborghini Countach released on the world in 71 and still held the same basic shape 25 years later when production finished. still truns heads on the street.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:56
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how about the ae86?? 
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 00:59
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| Rainey wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 10:04 |
Toyota Celica '90 - '93.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 01:13
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 10:56 |
how about the ae86??
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aspects of it are ahead of it's time,
and other aspects are typical/dated.
Overall, I'd say the exterior styling is not too bad. All the trimmings etc were made in plastic and no chrome.
The GT APEX model is most impressive (with it's climate control, power steering, digital dash, etc).
But the interior is dated and ugly.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 01:28
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 10:59 |
| Rainey wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 10:04 |
Toyota Celica '90 - '93.
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whachoo-talkin-bout-willis
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You 'eard
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 01:42
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Love the new avatar River 
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 01:47
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 08:09 |
Porsche 959, Ferrari F40, McLaren F1, Pretty much every old citroen bar the 2cv
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When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of the Citroen DS...
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 01:55
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Agree with some of the above including
BMW M1
Porsche 959
BMW M3
VW Beetle
And to add a few new ones
Charger E49 (brilliant engine, shady chassis)
Porsche 356 (and variants)
Trabant
Lloyd Alexander TS
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 02:30
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I'm gonna have to be boring and agree with most of what has been said.
* Lambo miura (it's better than the 2000GT, nice as it would be to mention a toyota)
* Lambo countach
* BMW M3
* McLaren F1 (of course. even today it looks sexy. 15 years later it is still one of the fastest cars, in a straight line, stopping, and round a track.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 03:19
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Apart from the Merc Gullwing and the Bearcat. What did these other cars mentioned have that was so ahead of their respective times? I mentioned the VW Beetle. It would be, by far the most ingenious car made and well ahead of it's time in the late 1930's.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 03:28
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Im admittedly biased but the ST165s were fairly ahead of their time for a 1986 car. Leather seats, electric lumbar support, crude version of Subaru's DCCD (pre-facelift models), W2A IC, etc...
PS: the Escort RS200 was even further ahead than the 165. It had a transmission that could swap between fully locked viscous centre with locked LSDs either end, RWD, and Viscous centre with LSDs at either end, quick release carbon fibre panelling , and very tricky suspension. It was also running ridiculous amounts of boost for a 1986 car. Something like 42 PSI iirc .
[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2005 03:31]
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Tue, 19 July 2005 03:33
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D type jag, completely revolutionary when it was designed, Also the first Supercharged Mercs (the beginnings of forced induction(on a car)) and while were talking french cars, the Peugeot 504. Alloy head, IRS, Macpherson Strut, 4 wheel disks, Fuel injection etc. And it all worked so well. No wonder this model won the Paris Dakar back to back (i think 4 times??) and the model run lasted for just on 20 years.
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:06
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| 74gt wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 11:47 |
| Corona RT142 wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 08:09 |
Porsche 959, Ferrari F40, McLaren F1, Pretty much every old citroen bar the 2cv
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When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of the Citroen DS...
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exactly this car reinvented the wheel
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:12
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| KYOTO wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 13:28 |
Im admittedly biased but the ST165s were fairly ahead of their time for a 1986 car. Leather seats, electric lumbar support, crude version of Subaru's DCCD (pre-facelift models), W2A IC, etc...
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Most of those things existed on production cars decades before the ST165 was released. So how does that make it "ahead of its time"?
Earlier suggestions of the AE86 or 90-93 are similarly ridiculous. Both were good at what they were designed for, but there was nothing new or ingenious about them.
Oh, and the 2000GT gets my vote, simply because it was the beginning of the Japanese sports car era. Sure, Lamborghini might have built a better car, but the Italians had been doing it for decades by then.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:14
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In terms of introducing awd you gotta give it to the jenson interceptor, and then the later audi quattros, just the way they killed world rallying is gotta be worth something.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:36
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MA70 Supra
ST162/5 Celica
st185 gt4 GroupA
ser4/5 rx7
s13 silvia
nissan 300zx
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:00
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Kit from Knight-Rider, it was clearly ahead of it's time, no other car in the 80's could speak and think for itself, none can now! It also had a host of features that put most vehicles to shame 
The Delorean in Back to the Future was ahead of it's time, no car this decade has been able to travel through time
The AE86 ahead of it's time bahahahaha, it was about ahead of its time as the VB commodore
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:05
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Is it possible for the Back to the future DeLorean to be ahead of its time??????
And as far as the Ro80 semi automatic box, Daimler had them in his car in the 1940's
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:26
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I was awaiting the last 2 replies! Haha
Well alot of euro and older cars.... Things I dont know much about, maybe because for some I'm not ancient enough haha....
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:26
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I don't know about being ahead of its time but the first Golf GTI, started the whole hot hatch craze.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:38
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errr not really i think you'll Find the Mini Cooper S did that.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 05:56
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The Mini wasn't a hatch as such. Having said that, it was definitely ahead of its time in many ways.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 06:01
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Lets see
Renault Alpine 
Lancia Stratos 
Ford RS200 
Mini Cooper S
Audi Quattro 
The Tucker 
Thats all I can think of right now.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 06:30
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The Tucker?
Only Tucker I can think of is Chris Tucker....
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 06:36
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| smt_007 wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 14:36 |
MA70 Supra
ST162/5 Celica
st185 gt4 GroupA
ser4/5 rx7
s13 silvia
nissan 300zx
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I'm not even gonna bother thinking of an intelligent way to say how stupid that is.
miura gets my vote mainly because it was the first mid-engined road car ever made, and partly because it was a road car that could manage nearly 300km/hr in the 1960 (yes, a few others such as the plymouth roadrunner superbird could manage that, but not many!)
I'd also like to add the VW beetle, which of course was revolutionary.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 06:44
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the 1st and 3rg generation RX7s. the 2nd gen never seemed that advanced to me...
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Tue, 19 July 2005 06:46
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The Tucker was a car made in America in the 40's. Google it and see for yourself, an amazing car for the era.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 07:36
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Hi,
The RX7 was just an evolutionary design of the previous rotor powered models. Wouldn't the R100 (I think that was the first production rotor) be more appropriate?
In regards to the Golf GTi being a sports hatch... I'd have to check it's specs to see if it is better than the JDM RA25 GT, which in 1973, was a pretty good hatchback for its day.
Yeah, I'll give kudos to the Beetle - the old air-cooled models, not the gay looking new ones.
I suppose you could put in the Willys Jeep also - as it paved the way for the comman-man 4wd vehicle.
I chose the M1 'cos it started the M-series super cars and IMHO is about the only good looking Beemer ever made.
I chose the Ferrari Daytona perhaps incorrectly. It is without a doubt one of the best looking Ferraris ever made and maybe should be regarded as the "end of a marque" as opposed to "ahead of its time" purely 'cos it was the last of the great front-engined RWD V12 Ferraris.
Let me throw in the Nissan Bluebird "Godzilla". It certainly upset the V8-bogan crowd, shamed a lot of cars on the racetrack and made the racing authority to change the rules.
And, let's not forget the Kettentrad.... a motorcycle with caterpillar tracks is pretty adventerous.
seeyuzz
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Re: Poll: (Fav) Car most ahead of its time for its era?
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Tue, 19 July 2005 07:45
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i'd have to say the mini... think you can ask anyone and they'll know what a mini is (not the stupid gay new ones they bought out, there not even small)
not sure how well they are mechcanically but as an icon they'd have to be up there pretty high
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Tue, 19 July 2005 08:11
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T model Ford
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Tue, 19 July 2005 10:37
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I'd have to say the Ferrari F40/F50. An awesome machine.
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Tue, 19 July 2005 11:02
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eh
F40/50 is good... but not really revolutionary or ahead of it's era
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Tue, 19 July 2005 11:12
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| Evan wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 11:42 |
Love the new avatar River
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Thanks man. I like to change it once a year - sorta like my underwear. Also, thought it'd be cool to have (arguably) the 2nd most handsome Toymod member in my avatar.
And, for those that don't know what a Kettentrad looks like, then check this out....
Isn't that just the coolest tracked-motorbike you've ever seen? 
seeyuzz
river
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Tue, 19 July 2005 12:21
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Defintly the mclaren f1 or the FC3S
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Tue, 19 July 2005 13:56
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| shovelnose wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 21:51 |
Citroen DS-shocked no one has already mentioned it-an icon
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I metioned it up there...so did Corona RT142!!!
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Wed, 20 July 2005 00:13
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| river wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 21:12 |
And, for those that don't know what a Kettentrad looks like, then check this out....
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Man... Talk about understeer!!!
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Wed, 20 July 2005 03:14
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how about those motor carriage things that came out in about 1880 they are pretty dam good for there time!!!... Model T ford ?? or the XR6 Turbo Model T
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Wed, 20 July 2005 07:51
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river: Glad you mentioned the bluey before me! TR-X models had some digital gauges as well ( fuel, temp, oil, bat ) in the early 80s. Jap models had IRS but so did a lot of dattos before then.
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