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michaelhaynes110
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RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Tue, 19 July 2005 11:31 Go to next message
I pulled off the stock induction and put a pod filter on and the car is now underpowered and stalling.

I know it is all ok taking the resinator and stuff off but there was one hose that went into a metal capsule thingy that I just left off. What does this do and how would I connect it to the pod? (see bottom of post 9 for pics)

[Updated on: Wed, 20 July 2005 09:02]

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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
"metal capsule thingy's" are usually there for a good reason Wink . Pics would help diagnosis.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
"metal capsule thingy" sounds like the "c" in 22R-EC (the emmissions control crap)
I also ripped mine off. if it's before the AFM, it shouldn't be the cause of the problem.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
So should I rip this off out of the engine bay? Or just leave it not connected?

Would resetting the computer maybe fix it?
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
a picture would *really* help here - I don't want to go telling to you tear out "a metal capsule thingy" that I think might be your emissions crap Razz
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Its nightime and cold outside Razz .

I will get one tomorrow.

To try and explain it some more. Into the stock airbox there is three inputs. The thing that the air goes into. The resinator. And the other thingy (capsule Razz ). The capsule looks like it does not get filtered air but it still feeds into the stock air box.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Long as your metal captule thingy wasn't the AFM Laughing So there's nowhere air might be getting in after the AFM?
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nah the air flow meter is all good and hooked up. I am just a bit puzzled why it would be stalling.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Tue, 19 July 2005 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shouldn't be - sounds exactly like my pod install in my RA65, except mine worked Razz
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Wed, 20 July 2005 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Got some happy snaps for you all. Its the thing with no hose on the end and another two coming out the back. This is a photo without pod and afm on (I know I would have got at least one comment about that Wink )


http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8282/img26653ms.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5672/img26677kz.jpg

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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I've got NFI what that thing is meant to be, but if you've left that pipe disconnected there's a good chance it's letting unmetered air into the system, and that would certainly cause the problems you're having. Just block it off and see what happens.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
norbs: that thingy usually connects to the airbox before the AFM, so it shouldn't affect the afm.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
So where do those two big black hoses go?
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
draven wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 20:39

norbs: that thingy usually connects to the airbox before the AFM, so it shouldn't affect the afm.


Thats why I didn't plumb it back into the system as it has nowhere to go except after the pod (filtered air) this thing normally doesnt get filtered air. I blocked it off with my finger and it didnt seem to blow or suck.

Does anyone actually know what it does? And is it unwise to plumb it into already filtered air?
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 20:43

So where do those two big black hoses go?

I am not to sure but somewhere on the engine or under it. I will check it out tomorrow.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Isn't that an air pump? pumps air into the airbox to help the car idle. i might be way off, but on my bros' 18rc motor, it has an airpump that is run off the crank by a belt. it just blows air into the bottom of the airfilter above the carby.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I think you'll find that air pump TAKES air from the air filter and BLOWS it into the exhaust - was kind of a wonderful idea from back in the day to meet emissions regs. It was supposed to encourage further combustion in the exhaust, but many will suggest that it really just diluted the exhaust contents with fresh air at part throttle, thereby reducing the concentration of the nasties. Ingenious, huh?
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aust162 wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 22:36

Isn't that an air pump? pumps air into the airbox to help the car idle. i might be way off, but on my bros' 18rc motor, it has an airpump that is run off the crank by a belt. it just blows air into the bottom of the airfilter above the carby.


I wouldn't be surprised. The idle was shit when I had it off. Also pipe that went into the airbox looked like it had stuff coming out of it rather than in (the rust was sortof spread away from the opening).

Mrshin: so its alright to take this fully off? I saw some pictures of american ra65's with pods and they didnt seem to have this on.

http://www.geocities.com/~yoshi83/friends/OldMage/filter.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/9771/cel-kn.jpg

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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Wed, 20 July 2005 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok your Stalling because your AFM is off

http://members.iinet.net.au/~richo99/images/RA65/AIR/TOPPIPE.jpg
that is my set up it was reccommended to me that i KEEP the box with the filter because putting a POD in the bay of a RA65 will suck HOT air in which is what you dont want !

but seeing as you have a pod now you need to re attach this :
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http://members.iinet.net.au/~richo99/images/RA65/AIR/CElicaAFM2.jpg

the metal block with that square clearlooking block on top is the Air Flow Meter- if that is not connected the engine will not be able to sense the amount of air it is taking in to mix with the fuel - so in turn it will shit its panties ...

in this photo:
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http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5672/img26677kz.jpg

you have NO AFM if your just putting the pod on the end of that .. there is your problem

also you wanted to know what this was :

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http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8282/img26653ms.jpg

it is a filter for the emissions that the 22RE produces .. because unlike everything after the RA65 .. we dont have CATS ! so that is "part" of the emissions system ...
Dont really worry about it u can disconnect it it doesnt harm the car .. just the environment and when people drive behind you .. they think your car is smelly Sad

anyway .. hope this clears some things up ..
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Thu, 21 July 2005 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
michaelhaynes110 wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 00:07

Nah the air flow meter is all good and hooked up.

Someone didn't read the whole thread. Rolling Eyes
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Thu, 21 July 2005 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie : sounds like "he thinks it is" but it isnt ..

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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Thu, 21 July 2005 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
michaelhaynes110 wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 00:07

Nah the air flow meter is all good and hooked up. I am just a bit puzzled why it would be stalling.


LOL good!


first thing i thought was you might have just attached the pod straight to the pipe and junked the AFM, HAHAHAHA


edit: i am aware it has been established he left the AFM on, i just meant after reading the first few posts.

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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter Thu, 21 July 2005 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Give me a little credit guys. Razz

I drove the car around for a while and the idle evened out and everything went back to normal.
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Re: RA65 Underpowered and Stalling after fitting Pod Filter *pics added* Thu, 21 July 2005 08:46 Go to previous message
cool - so the ecu just unfuggered itself?

I r emember either josh or I had to reset our ECU after adding a pod filter (back in the days where he had an N12 Exa Razz)
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