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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 12:36
 
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lol this thread is dying 
someone post some porn and quick 
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Coffs Harbour
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 12:36
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haha new page 
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 14:03
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We need to fill this thread with randomlous crap.
Lets start by saying.....
We keep Payin out people who try to make 'normal' Lancers look like Evo's yeah?
Could the same be said if we made the ST162 look like a ST165
Would they get the same cred. if they placed a 4G63 (EVO)engine in a Lancer.
what if they did in the future, like some of us are now doing to our Celica's.
I now this is a relatively pointless post, but look at it this way
The 'normal' Lancer = ST162
EVO Lancer = ST165
because FWD 4cyl NA
4WD 4cyl Turbo variant of the shopping trolley
So if people put the 4G63 engine in their Lancer's, that would be equivalent to us putting a 3SGTE in our Celica's yeah?
I know that the 3SGE is a far better engine than what the Lancers have (SG15) but if you can see my point....
I have a flamesuit on.....fire extinguisher in one hand and a pole in the other. I'm ready for a beating.....
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new castle
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July 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 14:15
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anyone know of where i could get or how i could make a bonnet scoop (rear facing) for my st162
and also roughly on the bonnet where i should place it to get the most effect out of having it on there (for cooling purpose's)
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Coffs Harbour
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 14:29
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yeh this has been brought up before i believe,
lol u callin my car a lancer with a 3sgte  lmao
im so confused haha
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 14:30
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nah i no wat your tryin to say
but yeh they are completely different, and basically lancers are riceboxes
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new castle
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July 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 15:33
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newer lancer's arent that bad ie 2000 onwards bigger engine and that not.. and i'm sure if someone walked up to you and said here have this brand new lancer you wouldnt turn it down
they are pretty ricey but or at least the people that own them (not including my mum) do tend to rice them up
its the shitty 1993 - 1996 arounnd that range that i gate something bout its 1.6 litre's of raw absolute power thats just not apprealing
but then again each to there own
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Coffs Harbour
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 23:31
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lol arnt u a ricer dood started that ricer thread thing ?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 04:39
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And now for something else? Not that that wasn't very interesting.
Upgrading brakes on my 162, would like something quite reliable and something with very little fade on 100km/h - 0 heavy application. What are suggestions?
I know twin piston calipers from the st185's fit, but what other options are there? Would also like to hear personal encounters with bad/good products. 
Also has anyone checked out the newish range from whiteline of linear racing springs, if you have already lowered your car I suggest at $100 a spring for a large range of stiffness and lengths they could be a look.
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 04:56
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id suggest the super low kings.. or go to pedders they built u custom springs for cheaper than that..
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 05:20
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ive got 165 brakes on car, do the trick
yeh for springs im lookin at whiteline or kingys ?
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 06:23
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get some super lows youll need a back brace.. lol there stiff as i had 5 ppl in my car sat night didnt scrub once... sat low but
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new castle
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 07:16
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how much roughly are lowered springs for our celica's (even though mines a 162)
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 09:16
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Just thought I might mention..
The thing with Superlows is Drivability is hugely decreased, Speed humps become a hassle, so do almost all driveways..
Recommended for people who want their front lip/bar to get destroyed VERY quickly..
Had a friend with superlows and he had trouble getting around, the celicas are low standard, to actually remove the gap in the arches legally is to get the King low Springs or the King Springs Standard height..
Also to mention Superlows on a 162 is illegal, it will sit lower than 100mm..
King superlows/lows handle very similar, the superlows are a looks factor only!
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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brisbane
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new castle
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 12:08
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i think i looks good very dodge viper style. thats the sorta paint job i wanna get
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 13:17
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maybe im tired and im having trouble focusing but... wots this suppose to mean
'and a low 162 looks 10 times beter than a lowered one' ??
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 01:55
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yer i know didnt make sense to me either but i cbf changin it lol i meant like a real low celica versus just a king spring low setup
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:08
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thought id give u an idea of super low kings in a 162 with no people in it lol...
haha happy ghetto sledding
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:09
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not bad for a camera fone on far from its highest setting chews up to much memory using the big ones but lol
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Melbourne
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:56
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far right car ?
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new castle
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:17
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someone has a red celica fetish..... i wish it was me 
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Melbourne
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:45
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Jorrs is teh winnar! Makes the stocko ones look like 4WD's ey?
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 09:12
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Well i have done it!!, i have got my car at 102kw at the front wheels!!, at 373nm torque, the ITC has been dyno tuned as well as the SAFC, very nice low-mid range torque, i have the dyno sheet, but no camera, so sorry, unable to put up pictures.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 00:45
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imorter friend wants me to get a 3sgte 2nd gen , would it bolt up to my auto? (not that i want it auto - just atm it is) and if so, how hard to do the loom?
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 01:58
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i think youll find its not nm of torque if it was read from a dyno... as dynos dont read nm of torque they read some other kind that is much higher than nm.. only engine dynos can take nm of torque .. but over 100kw is a good effort congrats
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QLD, Gold Coast
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 06:52
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well thats news to me about the NM, anyway just reading off the dyno sheet.
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new castle
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 07:18
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does anyone know the location of any dyno's around the newcastle central coast way....love to shove my pretty much stock 162 on there just to see what KW its actaully putting out
and then put my freinds 91 auto lancer on there and see what it has
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 07:58
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yer a friend tried to tell me his twin turbo comdore 250hp atw was puttin out over 1000nm of torque it would rip the comos chassis in 2...
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 13:49
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haha, and this all started from me asking for advice on brakes.. go figure.
the question still stands though. Has anyone got anything other then 2 piston calipers as a brake upgrade? and what difference does the twin pistons make?
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 24 July 2005 01:28
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even the single piston early 185 brakes will make a difference the rotars are a lil bigger and the pads are bigger.. if you know a litle about cars and knwo someone or you can make up plates and have atleast 16 inch rims st205 brakes wil go on but there are not cheap lookin atleast 1500 bucks for that lol... but any 185 brakes will be a good upgrade and there cheap about 150 for rotars and calipers...
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Perth
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April 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 24 July 2005 09:52
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hey guys!
just picked up my new rims - celica ZR stockies.. 16 x 6.5s with 205/50R16's all round
they look pretty nice, will suit the car well, but are much bigger rollin diameter so they are gonna put my speedo out
Does anyone noe how to adjust it and get it about right? From what i heard from a mate, its a tricky operation and you're better off just doin the maths n figurin out how much it'll put you out, and factorin it in when u look at your speedo. But I dont like to not know exactly how fast im goin !
the other option is to replace the tires with 45 depth, maybe 40 if i can find decent ones. I could just do it on the front and leave the 50 series on the rear n have a lil tilt (two of the tires are wornish, the other 3 are in good condition). I figure this wont really be noticable. Recommendations on tires??
Also, if i was then to lower the car, super lows or lows? it needs to fit the rims with no scraping as well as be able to make it over speedbumps and the like. I don't often have more than 2 people in the car, but i would like it to be drivable with some weight in the rear. Suggestions?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 24 July 2005 10:58
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mean ass cheap ones ... thats my moto 80 bucks brand new... no mater wat i buy they dont last long lol..
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Melbourne
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 24 July 2005 21:27
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Charlie, PM matt86sx - he's done heaps of research on brake upgrades. From what he's told me, the twin pistons aren't reccommended as you would need to upgrade the master cylinder and proportioning valve. They will work if you just bolt in the calipers and brakes but the brake bias will be out. Second option is the larger single pistons and rotors from the ST185. As far as we can tell that is a bolt in option - the piston is the same size as the ST162, but the swept area of the pad is larger. Third option (and the preferred one atm) is to upgrade the existing ST162 rotors and brake pads. That way there's no major mechanical changes to the brake system and it should be sweet. ST205 rotors will not fit without dicey modifications as they foul on the front ball joints.
Look up the brake upgrade page on www.gtfours.co.uk, its pretty good!
Hope this helps somehow. Just remember that I'm no expert - Matt is really the guy to talk to.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 24 July 2005 21:51
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| mithy wrote on Sun, 24 July 2005 19:52 |
you're better off just doin the maths n figurin out how much it'll put you out, and factorin it in when u look at your speedo. But I dont like to not know exactly how fast im goin !
the other option is to replace the tires with 45 depth, maybe 40 if i can find decent ones.
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Tyre Size/Speedo Error Calculator here
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 00:56
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Thanks wombat, most likely will still go the twin pistons as I'm looking for a fairly large imporvement, cylinder change and other minor changes aren't really too much of a worry when your next door neighbour is a mechanic . So I shall talk to matt about that.
And to all that have p/s leaks from the rack I recommend getting a new steering rack, oh so much better .
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 05:06
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i dont think the twin pistol will give u a huge improvement ... if i were you id buy maybe some sinle spot calipers and go buy some slotted new rotars or something like that
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 05:09
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hey guyz,
go to the victoria>celica cruise meet post
to...
check out the melbourne cruise pictures
cheers peepz
josh
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Coffs Harbour
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 05:18
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i have 165 brakes and they do the trick
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 06:40
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Thanks for the recommendation Andy! Wouldn't call myself an EXPERT - all I have ever done with brakes is change my own pads - but yes I have been doing a fair bit of research into what options are available for ST162 owners. Note that I can only speak in the context of the QLD regulations here, but I'm sure that it would be a similar situation in other states as well.
Firstly, any brake modification is regarded by QLD Transport as a "Complex Modification" (see Section 2 of the mods booklet they publish) and will require approval by an engineer and a mod plate. This applies to replacing the disc and/or caliper with something of a different spec, as thse sorts of mods significantly alter the original braking system design. (Note that simply upgrading the standard system with better pads or DBA slotted rotors is ok, and does not require any inspection or anything.) There are two main concerns that always arise when I have investigated this-
A) Fitting more powerful brakes to the front alone will alter the brake bias, requiring a new proportioning valve to suit. Simply fitting the PV that was fitted to the car the brakes came from isn't ideal, since the rear brakes are not going to be the same spec as those that match the PV and therefore will still be mismatched. For this reason engineers prefer that the entire brake system from the newer car be fitted, so that the PV suits the entire system. Otherwise an adjustable PV is the only option, and I'm not sure about the legality of those.
B) Fitting different brake calipers may require upgrading of the master cylinder (ie larger capacity) to suit. If the new caliper pistons have a greater fluid volume (and this is particularly true of those with a greater piston area, or twin piston calipers) then the MC will need to be upgraded to one with a larger capacity to match it. If you stick to the original one, the pedal will immediately have a longer travel to compensate or in extreme cases will travel to the floor without fully activating the brakes. An engineer would probably insist that the MC from the donor car be fitted as well to match the calipers.
I am aware that a lot of the ST162 brake upgrades (ST165/185 twin piston calipers, ST185 single piston caliper + disc) have been done before and done quite successfully, but I'm just saying that these are the kinds of things that QT and/or an engineer would check up on. I don't mean to preach doom and gloom, but modifying brakes is something that should be done very seriously and professionally as a mistake could have dire consequences - hence the tight regulations in the first place. Also bear in mind that your insurance company would probably take a dim view of this, upping the premium or forcing you to look elsewhere.
I was researching all this with a view to perhaps upgrading the brakes on my car in the future, but since I am a stickler for legality, I have decided to stick to upgrading the standard ones with rotors, pads and fluid to achieve a similar result and avoid the hassles. The reason I have decided on this is that I have recently spoken to an engineer and discovered that my engine swap (to 3rd Gen 3SGE) will not require a mod plate, and hence I don't want to get the car engineered just for the brakes alone. He told me that simply putting on slotted discs and good pads can be a vast improvement in itself, and swapping the discs and calipers can sometimes be overkill and are really only necessary if you are increasing the weight of the car. They will certainly be more than adequate for my situation anyway.
Well sorry about the long post, hope that sheds some light on things for you.
Cheers,
Matt
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 06:54
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nice i learnt a bit there .... yer the 2 engineers i go to dont give a fuck about bias valves etc not saying your wrong but there not really concernd which could be a good thing or a bad thing. as youve stated i dont see to many easy bolt on brake upgraded that will significently upgrade braking power nezza etc rekons the 185 twin spots work alot beter and they must be i guess.. but im looking for something a lil beter as im nearing the 200kwatw and aim to push far past it in the not to distant future (unless somone buys it)... 205 brakes do fit but as said above a real pain in the arse.. anyone know of any real decent upgrade out there?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 06:57
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on another note u goin to this "super cruise" saturday?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 07:11
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my 3sgte in my celica and brakes and everything none of it is engineered  when the copper popped my bonnet he asked if it was standard turbo and i said yes and that was the end of it 
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brisbane
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 07:20
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haha there not so silly up here well not the ones i come across
i need a few things let us know if u have them
radiator in good cond
185 or so brakes...
that is all at this present time lol
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 07:48
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Hey berad, yeah I imagine there would be engineers who pass these sorts of things quite easily. That's not to say they're being dodgy (although perhaps some are) but since they are a bolt up job and they can probably see from the piston size that there will be only a minimal difference then they OK it. Plus chances are they have seen and approved that kind of mod before.
As for the options, well there is the 165/185 twin piston caliper you mentioned (it was the same on both cars), the main advantage of this one is that it uses the same diameter disc as the 162 one (258mm) so is a direct bolt on upgrade. I imagine it would be some improvement over the standard 162 setup but how much better I don't know.
Later 185's (including all Aus delivered ones) had single piston calipers in conjunction with a larger diameter disc (278mm). I have read many times that this is a better upgrade than the twin piston one due to the larger disc (and therefore swept area) and I would be inclined to believe that. Not only will the greater swept area lead to improved stopping power, but greater resistance to fade as well. Check this link to see a set of these being fitted to an SV21 Camry: http://www.geocities.com/ignatius_tse/brakes/index .htm
Some ST202's had a set of twin piston brakes with 275mm (or so, didn't get an exact measurement) discs - these would be the best of both worlds and probably the next best thing to ST205 ones. There was a set of these on the half cut that I bought my engine from, and I nearly purchased them before I realised they would need to be engineered. The importer in question is at 17 Mile Rocks in Brisbane and should still have them, if you are interested in them PM me and I'll give you the details. I also have some pics of them so let me know if you'd like to take a look at them. These discs/calipers were fitted to cars with the super strut suspension, but the hole centres where they bolt to the hub has the same spacing as the 162 so I'm pretty certain they will fit.
Also, make sure you check out http://www.gtfours.co.uk/, for some very good brake info - click on Modifications - 165 - Brakes in the side menu.
As for the cruise next Saturday, I will be there!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 07:55
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its this saturday coming up
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 08:04
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I've put on a set of twin spot 165/185 calipers.New pads and new discs all round at the same time too.I havent had a problem with pedal travel, and if anything i believe its actually shortened.I have a very firm pedal with onyl about 2 inch before full pressure/lock-up whilst driving.I quite like it this way but am still going to rebuild them when i chuck em onm the other car.
About the master cylinder though, it would be a good idea to put the 165 cylinder or even 185 cylinder on then?If this were the case would the 165 cylinder be a better option as this was l;ighter than the 185 and more closer to the 162 weight?Are there any upgrades for the rears other than discs and pads then?
Cheers
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 08:13
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anyone know if the 185 mc will bolt up .. fuck it will be a big enuff of a pain in the arse if it does bolt up not much room back there in my engine bay
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 09:14
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I've got the twin spot jdm calipers on my sx, along with the st185 rotors and they work well. brakes alot better at high speeds. (80kph+)
standard brakes on the back with premium ferodo pads.
If you look at the size of the twin pistons compared to the large single (standard st162 brakes),there wouldnt be much fluid volume difference.
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Mon, 25 July 2005 09:17
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just bought myself a KE55 rolla 1979, 4SP, 4k motor reco head, sound system, woodgrain wheel, new tyres, 7 months rego
900$
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 09:33
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lol youll need it u entered the world of turbos... lol shell be off the road more than u know if u start to modify it
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 09:34
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wat about 200k's plus lol thats wen mine let me down takes me ages not that i do it or nething lol
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 09:45
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lol yeh well its of the road at the moment... in workshop so i need somethin to drive and its not bad lil car ill get some pics up morrow
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Melbourne
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Mon, 25 July 2005 22:13
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mithy - i just noticed in your avatar that your car is an ST. Those have a 4x100 stud pattern dont they? The new rims you bought would be 5x100 if they're stockies off a newer Celica. Have you tried fitting them yet?
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 23:31
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| berad wrote on Mon, 25 July 2005 17:55 |
its this saturday coming up
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Yeah that's what I meant.....I'm still living in last week!
In regards to master cylinders, it would seem that the standard 162 one has no trouble when either the twin piston 165/185 brakes or single piston 185 brakes are fitted. When I was talking about increased pedal travel that would be an extreme case, eg fitting 4 piston ST205 brakes and keeping the ST162 MC.
The master cylinders from the 165 or 185 could be different from the 162, or they may even be the same, I'm not sure. (Might be worth checking part numbers.) If there is any difference, it would most likely be the internal diameter, which is actually cast into the side of them. From memory, the standard 162 MC diameter is 15/16". Of course, a bigger internal diameter cylinder would be used when more fluid needs to be pushed, ie when the caliper piston volume is larger.
If the total piston volume of the new caliper is the same as (or pretty close to) the old one, then the MC should have no drama coping. By the number of people who have fitted the 165/185 twin or 185 single, this would seem to be the case.
Here is a pic of the 185 single piston (for 278mm disc):
And the 165/185 twin piston (for 258mm disc):
The diameter of the 185 single piston is 50mm, and the diameter of each the 165/185 twin pistons looks to be about 35mm. If you do the maths, the total area of each is about the same, so these should both operate fine off the same master cylinder. I've never measured the diameter of the standard 162 caliper piston, you would need that to make a definite comparison but if it is 50mm or so then you're looking good to keep the original MC.
So while the master cylinder issue might be ok, fitting more powerful front brakes is still going to affect the brake bias to some degree since the rest of the system is left as before. It may not affect it very much, and would probably only show up during very hard braking where you would find that the fronts lock up a bit easier than they used to. Still, ANY brake mod (in QLD at least) needs to be inspected by an engineer to be legal, so if they OK it then I'm sure it will be fine (since it's their ass they put on the line when they approve stuff). As always, talk to one first and describe what you want to do and they should advise you on what will be needed.
Cheers,
Matt
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Melb, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 26 July 2005 08:12
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I just measured the st162 front calipers, and the pistons O.D measured approx 49mm.
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