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ndgcpr
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ECU abbreviations Wed, 27 July 2005 12:16 Go to next message
i have dona a 1G-GTE conversion and am having trouble locating the water temp gauge. i see the GTE ECU has a THW pin which is meant to be the water temp sensor. is this the same sensor as the one measure by the gauge or are there separator sensors?

Also the reason why i can't find it is it may be in the old ECU main plug (as it is part of the car loom not part of the engine loom. i did have to wire the check engine light to this plug so maybe there is something there. looking over what a wrote down for the ECU pins one is called THA. Anyone know what this would be or if it is equivalent.

Here are the pins on the old plug written from the PCB:

1. OX
2. L2
3. L3
4. M-REL
5. FC
6. SPD
7. W
8. THA
9.
10. CCO
11. BAT
12. IGS/W
13. E2i
14. E1i
15. ECT
16. L1
17. AC
18.
19. EGW
20. STP
21.
22.
23. +B
24. +B1

Anything else i should know from this plug? is the SPD line the same on both cars? should i wire that?

Thanks

EDIT: My layout on the pins didn't work so it takes up heaps of room now sorry

[Updated on: Wed, 27 July 2005 12:25]

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Re: ECU abbreviations Wed, 27 July 2005 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ndgcpr wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:16

i have dona a 1G-GTE conversion and am having trouble locating the water temp gauge. i see the GTE ECU has a THW pin which is meant to be the water temp sensor. is this the same sensor as the one measure by the gauge or are there separator sensors?




The temp sensor for the gauge, is completely different to the one used by the engine. You will find the temp sensor you need for your gauge will come in on a plug that does NOT plug into the ECU (it would normally plug into the cars body loom).

It will be a yellow wire with a green stripe, both in your 1ggte loom and in the GZ10's body loom. (I'll be very surprised if it is otherwise!)

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Re: ECU abbreviations Wed, 27 July 2005 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 13:02

SP1 is speed sensor 1 input
SP2 is speed sensor 2 input
FPR is Fuel Pump Relay
W is Check Engine Light
M-REL is Main Relay
NSW is Neutral Switch
P is the Auto Power Switch (Power/ECON)
B is +12v IGN
+B1 is +12v IGN
ACxx is usually AirCon related


CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 13:13

L1, L2, L3, and ECT are all AutoECU related.


As for EGW, TILL, CCO, M, I am not sure.

CCO sounds like it could be the VSV output for the Charcoal Canister.

EGW may be something EGR related at a guess??

TILL could be Turbo Indicator Light or something??

M has me stumped though.


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Re: ECU abbreviations Wed, 27 July 2005 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 00:06

CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 13:02

SP1 is speed sensor 1 input
SP2 is speed sensor 2 input
FPR is Fuel Pump Relay
W is Check Engine Light
M-REL is Main Relay
NSW is Neutral START Switch
P is the Auto Power Switch (Power/ECON)
B is +12v IGN via EFI main relay
+B1 is +12v IGN via efi main relay
ACxx is usually AirCon related


CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 13:13

L1, L2, L3, and ECT are all AutoECU related.


As for EGW, TILL, CCO, M, I am not sure.

EGW - exhaust temp warning light
CCO - exhaust temp sensor
TILL - turbo light IIRC
M - no idea.

CCO sounds like it could be the VSV output for the Charcoal Canister.

EGW may be something EGR related at a guess??

TILL could be Turbo Indicator Light or something??

M has me stumped though.




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Re: ECU abbreviations Wed, 27 July 2005 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ndgcpr wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:16



1. OX - oxygen sensor input to ecu
2. L2
3. L3
4. M-REL
5. FC - switched to earth output for circuit opening relay
6. SPD - speed sensor input
7. W - check engine light
8. THA - air intake temp sensor
9.
10. CCO - exhaust temp sensor
11. BAT - battery (permanent)
12. IGS/W - i think these are to the ignitor...
13. E2i
14. E1i
15. ECT
16. L1
17. AC
18.
19. EGW - exhaust temp warning light
20. STP
21.
22.
23. +B
24. +B1

Anything else i should know from this plug? is the SPD line the same on both cars? should i wire that?

Thanks

EDIT: My layout on the pins didn't work so it takes up heaps of room now sorry


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Re: ECU abbreviations Thu, 28 July 2005 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have wired everything but the temp and tacho. i only had one plug that the motor used to plug into the main loom. I WILL PUT MONEY ON I HAVE NO YELLOW WITH GREEN STRIPE! Anyone in the area feel free to come find it. if you do i will give you money. it definitely isn't there. failing that how does the temp sensor work. i know i have asked this elsewhere but does anyone have any ideas? is it resistance change Vs Temp?

Failing this how will i find the wire? or is it fairly hopeless?

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Re: ECU abbreviations Thu, 28 July 2005 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
(I am assuming here you can't find the temp wire in the ENGINE loom)

Ok

Find the SINGLE WIRE PLUG near the thermostat.
Not either of the 2 wire ones, but the single wire one.

Unplug it, and put a multimeter on it.
Now go into glovebox plugs, and test which one it is.






Now, for the dash side of it, the MX73 uses a BLUE wire. The MA61 uses a YELLOW-GREEN like you have looked for.
You will most likely have the Y-G (I put MX73 there just incase)

Am I correct in assuming you are looking at the plug where the glove box goes?
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Re: ECU abbreviations Thu, 28 July 2005 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
This is how the temp SENSOR works.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/phay/1J_gauge_temp_send er.xls

the Guage has +12v on one side, earths through sensor.

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Re: ECU abbreviations Thu, 28 July 2005 08:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah maybe i haven't explain properly. the engine loom has the yellow green. its the dash on i need. there is definitely no yellow green so maybe i will try the blue on. in that case i should be able to measure 12V's on the pin. put a variable resistor there to ground and make the gauge go up and down.

Thanks for the stuff CrUZsida. i will work it out eventually.
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Re: ECU abbreviations Fri, 29 July 2005 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well i found it. and it ended up being the wire i suspected the whole time. it ended up being the BLUE wire with brown dots. thanks CrUZsida. And the wire was outputting 5V's i didn't realise how logarithmic the sensor was so i wasn't happy putting 100 ohms to ground incase i broke something. but yeah it all seems good now. yay. does anyone know if both gauges will be EXACTLY the same. (1G-GTE and 1G-GE) as i feel this gauge is running slightly cooler now, but i guess thats not a problem.
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Re: ECU abbreviations Fri, 29 July 2005 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If it's anything like most Toyota ones of the same vintage it should be fine. Mine comes up to just under half way on the digital gauge and pretty much sits there the whole time, just like it did with the 1GEU.
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Re: ECU abbreviations Fri, 29 July 2005 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah, all guages are the same.

From about 1981 to at least 1997
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Re: ECU abbreviations Fri, 29 July 2005 01:45 Go to previous message
your temp guage sender is simply an NTC thermister in a nice housing.

NTC = negative temperature co-efficient.
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