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Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 10:54
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g'day guys
just keen to find out wat are the difference between the 2JZGE and 2JZGTE..(obviously no turbos) but wat work would be needed to make a 2JZGE > GTE??
Cheers nick!
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June 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:02
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put the 2JZ-GTE Crank & pistons add the turbs
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:06
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Swap a 2JZGTE into it along with the ECU.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:16
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Should bolt right into where a 2JZGE came from, and probably work out even cheaper for you in the long run once you flog off the 2JZGE.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:27
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i was thinking that! how much could u get for a 2JZGE
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:29
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Most import places ask over a grand for them because they don't get a heap of them in.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:31
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hmmm interesting.. how much does a 2JZ-GTE cost ?
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:32
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 21:31 |
hmmm interesting.. how much does a 2JZ-GTE cost ?
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upwards of $4500 for a half cut.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:32
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Depending on where you get them from and what its out of. Aristo ones are usually cheaper, some people have even paid like $3500 for a front cut from memory.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:34
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 19:32 |
Depending on where you get them from
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This bit is important, as V8_MA61 pointed out, they are often more. That said, I know of someone who got a vvti 2JZGTE from a Supra with a V161 for $6k, and this was a couple of years ago.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:34
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would it be cheaper to buy a half cut for just the engine package...
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:36
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i know of someone who paid $2900 for an aristo 2jz, and someone who about 6 months later paid $4400 for the same.
So it also depends on condition, km etc etc. Fuck all 2jzs are bought out here in cuts due to their being such a big demand for them in import complete supras which they make good $ for. also all the yanks get the 2jz cuts id think.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:42
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sounds like an aristo half cut would be the way to go then! 2JZGTE powered MA61 !!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:44
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If said car also had a 2JZGE bellhousing with late model W58 that would be most preferable.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:45
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na the reason i am talking about this is, BLACKSUPRA's MA61 has a 2JZGE in it and i am thinking about buying it and getting a 2JZGTE for it!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:46
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which has the 2jz-ge bellhousing and W58!
perfect, you'd just need engine, computer and complete loom.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 11:53
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that is y i am keen...  then FMIC and piping
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 12:05
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this car seems ideal for the treatment!!!
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 12:31
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would it be a beter option to turbo the existing GE or replace it with a GTE ?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 12:48
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replace with new engine.
unless you plan to mod the shithousen our of it, then all you need is the block anyhow.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 12:54
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hmmm i was thinking that aswell.. thanks for your help draven!! if i was to replace the engine... would i just need the engine.. ecu and loom ?
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 13:41
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And a way to get the dong's car over that little creek that separates you from him.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 13:42
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more like me from the rest of u... na spirit of tas!
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 13:44
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I've had it suggested to me that the GE and GTE actually use the same crank and rods, and it's only the pistons that differ? (I don't automatically believe everything I read, but has anyone confirmed this?)
Plus, I guess I shouldn't mention what I actually paid for a 2JZGTE a couple of years ago 
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 13:47
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i think it would be better in the long run to put in a 2JZGTE rather than turbo the GE
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 14:02
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Probably would. The heads etc. are different anyway. I'm just interested in what the differences in the bottom end are, that's all.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 14:10
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hmmm well i spose as long as i can pick up a 2JZGTE for relatively cheap it would be the best option in the long run!
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 14:15
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2jz-gte vvti... *gets giddy*
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 14:17
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please explain ?
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 15:38
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I want one in my car, stat!
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 15:43
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oh !! i see
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Brisbane
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Mon, 01 August 2005 22:57
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| mrshin wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 23:44 |
I've had it suggested to me that the GE and GTE actually use the same crank and rods, and it's only the pistons that differ?
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This is correct. The NA gets higher compression pistons and misses out on oil squirters, but apart from that the bottom end is the same.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 00:34
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 08:27 |
| mrshin wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 23:44 |
I've had it suggested to me that the GE and GTE actually use the same crank and rods, and it's only the pistons that differ?
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This is correct. The NA gets higher compression pistons and misses out on oil squirters, but apart from that the bottom end is the same.
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then that said you could probably run a low boost application on an NA 2JZ without too many issues?
the sprintor fags are doing it fine with turbos on stock 20 valves, why wouldnt it be possible on a 2JZ 
obviously you would need aftermarket management, but that combined with a good tune is definitely doable
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 00:47
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 10:34 |
then that said you could probably run a low boost application on an NA 2JZ without too many issues?
the sprintor fags are doing it fine with turbos on stock 20 valves, why wouldnt it be possible on a 2JZ
obviously you would need aftermarket management, but that combined with a good tune is definitely doable
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It has been done numerous times in the USA with what appears to be good results
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 01:33
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Of course a 1JZGTE would also make good sense, and is one of the engines that car has had previously 
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 02:02
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:03 |
Of course a 1JZGTE would also make good sense, and is one of the engines that car has had previously
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cheaper too
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 02:46
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y did he go from 1JZGTE to 2JZGE ??? this is black supra we are talking about ?
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Perth W.A
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September 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 02:47
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i was thinking you may want to get a R154 or stronger box when you get your 2jz.
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 02:47
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bought the car off JAZE, who had sold the 1jz-gte separately. (if my memory serves me)
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 02:50
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oh i c.. maybe a 1JZGTE is the best way to go then
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:31
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Don't you already have an MA61 with a 3 litre turbo engine in it? Stop dreaming and drive your damn car.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:33
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i want to own them all
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:17
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| draven wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 10:47 |
bought the car off JAZE, who had sold the 1jz-gte separately. (if my memory serves me)
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And that puppy is sitting rigged up at 82MKII's house...awaiting a home 
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 06:03
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 13:31 |
Don't you already have an MA61 with a 3 litre turbo engine in it? Stop dreaming and drive your damn car.
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ditto. fix the 7M with a MHG, get a good turbo and boost the shit out of it (thats whats planned for my 7mge-t into ms85 crown), they are just as strong if not stronger than a 1jzgte, and they have shitloads more torque!!
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 06:18
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 16:03 |
they are just as strong if not stronger than a 1jzgte,
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WTF? Not even Allan the crazy 7M zealot believes that!
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 06:34
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 15:33 |
they are just as strong if not stronger than a 1jzgte
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what ever you are smoking I would like some please
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 06:59
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So your opinion is based on what some fellow said he thought about 7M's.
Meanwhile, years of experience by countless Supra owners has shown the JZ series engines are substantially stronger than the 7M in unmodified form. The first thing holding the 7M back (apart from the obvious headgasket issue) is pistons.
Of course if you start comparing modified engines it all gets a bit pointless.
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 07:18
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my bad, the pistons on a 7m break at 500hp.
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:33
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 16:59 |
So your opinion is based on what some fellow said he thought about 7M's.
Meanwhile, years of experience by countless Supra owners has shown the JZ series engines are substantially stronger than the 7M in unmodified form. The first thing holding the 7M back (apart from the obvious headgasket issue) is pistons.
Of course if you start comparing modified engines it all gets a bit pointless.
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still 2jz-gte front cut = $3500? im shure for that money you could have a 7m-gte that eats most 2jz-gte's for morning tea if you spent wisely
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:45
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| Allan wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:03 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 16:59 |
So your opinion is based on what some fellow said he thought about 7M's.
Meanwhile, years of experience by countless Supra owners has shown the JZ series engines are substantially stronger than the 7M in unmodified form. The first thing holding the 7M back (apart from the obvious headgasket issue) is pistons.
Of course if you start comparing modified engines it all gets a bit pointless.
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still 2jz-gte front cut = $3500? im shure for that money you could have a 7m-gte that eats most 2jz-gte's for morning tea if you spent wisely
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but it would still be a 7M....
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:48
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:45 |
| Allan wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:03 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 16:59 |
So your opinion is based on what some fellow said he thought about 7M's.
Meanwhile, years of experience by countless Supra owners has shown the JZ series engines are substantially stronger than the 7M in unmodified form. The first thing holding the 7M back (apart from the obvious headgasket issue) is pistons.
Of course if you start comparing modified engines it all gets a bit pointless.
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still 2jz-gte front cut = $3500? im shure for that money you could have a 7m-gte that eats most 2jz-gte's for morning tea if you spent wisely
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but it would still be a 7M....
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here..
build a bridge... get over it
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 09:01
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awe diddums...
you want a kleenex?
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Re: Turboing NA 2JZ
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Tue, 02 August 2005 09:23
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enough jz vs. 7m dick tugging bullshit
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