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Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 10:11
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At work, bored. Thought i would share with you all info and pics of the beams 3sge conversion i carried out a couple weeks ago.
Took about a week all up, really had to rush towards the end and get back to tasmania, so some things i wasn't happy with, such as radiator piping being less then ideal, using the old 4age accelerator cable which i was told was too short but still got it to work. 
here's a pic of the old fella. Which i never got to drive, and sounded rouph and didn't rev as well as it should. Later i will explian why.
Here is the new heart, and what a sweet piece of work this engine is! cam cover is just sitting on top btw.
Prepare old 4age for removal out the bottom of the car. But wait whats all this extra wiring! OH FUCK! it's an aftermarket alarm system with it's tentacles spread out thru the whole car and engine wiring harness! CRAP! Oh well we leave that for now.
After many hours of thinking how to get the engine out from the car, we find that cardboard and sliding works a treat.
Cousin seeing if fred flinstone powered is the way to go.
About day 3 and we have the new engine kinda in place.
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tas
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion. (56k warning)
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Thu, 25 August 2005 10:12
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Oh bugger need to separate the Alternator and starter Wiring from the old loom!
Finalizing some of the wiring.
Lookin Good!
All done!
So now it's time to start it up! will it work? AwW! :(- it sounds shit!! ruff as guts and doesn't want to rev much. Got hot real quick too. But at least that aftermarket alarm system isn't a problem.
So think about it for a little while and bam it clicks! It's running lean as a bitch. Which also made me relize why the 4AGE was runnin like crap becuase it was runnin way too lean! was also gettin code 25 lean condition.
So race down to repco to get a new fuel filter, then started the beams up, and what a sigh of relief! MUCH SMOOTHER! and willing to rev!!! And the cuase of the lean condition on the 4age all along! Still wonder if the stock 4age fuel pump is up to the task to keep the beams well fed.
Took it for a test drive but got a code 39, VVTI wasn not functioning, turns out the VVTI connector was broken, $200 later it's all workin sweet! now back to tas. :(-
If i had more time to spend on it i would of done the Acc cable properly, Radiator hoses where the filler cap is higher then the engine and also using less pipes for less chance to spring a leak, was very hard to find the right shapped hoses. Also would look into getting an oil cooler hooked up, oil catch can and bigger fuel pump such as a 3sgte one.
All up not too hard of a conversion (not a walk in the park tho). Most of the hardwork was done via Charliemr2 who fabricated the engine mount for the front of the engine.
Notes: boot lock bit needed cutting so it didn't foul the intake chamber, Battery box needed cutting so it didn't foul the starter motor, overflow bottle needed relocation, and air intake is massivly restricted thru the stock air pipes.
[Updated on: Mon, 14 November 2005 09:39]
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 10:21
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mmmm very nice. i imagine it would move alright too 
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 10:27
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yes i was very impressed, excellent power to weight ratio with this combo, now i want one. :(-
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adelaide
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March 2005
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 11:47
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sorry for the ignorance, but what's the difference between a 3sge and a Beams 3sge. and why not a 3sgte??
<-- noob 
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 11:55
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210hp NA mmmm... lots of revs nice spinning engine...
there is something to be said for a NA screamer engine..
being able to drive both mr2's whilst the SC is buckets faster then the NA but the NA is really fun to drive. almost more fun around town in comparison.
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adelaide
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March 2005
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 12:10
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admited wickedly powerful NA engines have their own way of rising ur paddle
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 12:50
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That's awesome, well done!
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tas
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June 2002
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 13:42
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thanx davedave 
And if anybody is interested that 4age engine is still sitting in the shed forsale cheap! (VIC)
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 17:58
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Holy shit awesome, I was just today wondering if anyone could east / west configure a beams 3s, except i was thinking of it in a Camry for some reason
At any rate, nice work!
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 20:59
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the stock 4age fuel pump as long as its in good condition the 3sge beams wont be able to produce enough power in n/a form to worry the fuel pump
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 01:36
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| peeack wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 03:58 |
Holy shit awesome, I was just today wondering if anyone could east / west configure a beams 3s, except i was thinking of it in a Camry for some reason
At any rate, nice work!
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it comes stock on E-W config. late model ST202 and late SW20's both had it mounted EW
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September 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 01:39
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Nice work; the BEAMS engine would suit the AW11 chassis nicely, would be a lot of fun to drive!
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tas
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June 2002
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 02:49
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Regarding mounts, all factory AW11 mounts were used, with a custom front engine mount?
Or factory caldina mounts, with a custom front?
Beams gearbox too? (6speed?)
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tas
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Australia
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 03:03
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Cool
g/f dad has an AW11, I'd love to make it an SW11!!
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tas
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 03:11
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I think it's such a kick ass combo! 1050kg car with 200Hp engine and RWD.  must resist selling supra!
The hydualic clutch line unbolts from the old box and bolts right into the slave cylinder of the new box.
The other thing was pressing out the old hubs from the old drive shafts and getting them pressed onto the new thicker driveshafts, cost about $50 each, new wheel bearings about $100ea.
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 04:46
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it wouldnt hurt to chuck it on the dyno to make sure the fuel pump is still in good nick but i know pleanty of people making 200hp in n/a aw11's with gze transplants and they arent having any problems if anything they are runningn rich
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 05:13
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| toof wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 11:36 |
| peeack wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 03:58 |
Holy shit awesome, I was just today wondering if anyone could east / west configure a beams 3s, except i was thinking of it in a Camry for some reason
At any rate, nice work!
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it comes stock on E-W config. late model ST202 and late SW20's both had it mounted EW
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Oh, I had no idea. I thought they were only available NS in Altezzas.
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November 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 05:14
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didn't some of the caldina's get it too
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 05:26
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shhh i didn't read the posts above the last picture
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Melb, Victoria
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April 2004
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 08:58
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I saw this car at Toyospares (melb) a couple of days ago. sounds really nice 
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 11:21
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hey trippy man! that's so cool!
Altho i just relized it could of been charliemr2's mr2 if that made sense. He has an identicle aw11 with a redtop beams. And some ultra stiff suspension! hes's sellin it for $16k here on toymods.
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Coffs Harbour
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September 2002
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 12:24
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That is absolutely stunning!
Great job,now when can you do mine ?
What a brilliant track car that thing would be when the suspension is sorted,who needs an elise ? 
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 13:25
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great looking conversion.
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Fri, 26 August 2005 14:09
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thank you gentlemen, thank you very much. *bows*
Whats the elise about 750kg with 180HP 1.8lt 2zz engine? pretty impressive! i dunno which would be faster, 750kg vs 1tonne. Then agian beams 3sge would have more torque then the 2zz.
Slappa me a thousand and i do conversion for you
But in all seriousness it wasn't too hard, and i highly recomend it, and will offer help to anyone also going down this route. No doubt i will be trying to shoehorn this engine into a celica st162 shortly.
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sat, 27 August 2005 14:15
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Har! yeah when i found out it didn't run on Jim Beams i tried port, The mr2 fell off it's jack stands.
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sat, 27 August 2005 14:34
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| dingaling wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 00:15 |
Har! yeah when i found out it didn't run on Jim Beams i tried port, The mr2 fell off it's jack stands.
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Haha nice reply
Seriously now,I would love to see how this car performs on a track with decent suspension and brakes.
By rights it should be very fast with a decent driver in any under 2ltr NA race class.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sat, 27 August 2005 16:07
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How much are Beams 3S-GEs? I woulda thought the engine would cost more than the AW11 itself. 
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 01:57
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superaw11: First corner my cousin took when we took it for a test drive i was clinging on for dear life, I've never accelerated thru a hairpin like that! i so badly need to get some decent suspension into my supra! On closer inspection turns out my cousin's mr2 has koni adjustables on it. Cousin didn't even notice.
Shraka: The engine package was about $2500 i think we got it for.
that included the beams engine, computer, loom/wiring and custom made exaust made by charlie mr2, which i was very impressed with.
Then he threw the gearbox in with it and appropriate driveshafts which i think added another $1000 to the price. So not a bad price, as i always thought the beams engine alone was around $5,000.
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Newcastle
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 02:02
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wow thats a fantastic price for the engine.. and an equally impressive price for the gearbox. looks like you have got a really good deal as they are generally much more.
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 03:34
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Yeah i thought so too. My cousin was about to spend about $5000 on a silvertop 20valve conversion, Then i found this beams combo forsale on toymods and told him to buy that instead and i'll come over and install it, all i asked was that he pay me a weeks wages since i took a week off work to do it.
If i can find another beams engine for that much i'm snapping it up (if i'm quick enough)
I suppose the FWD beams engines are cheaper then the altezza RWD ones too.
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Newcastle
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 04:28
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yeah its a particularly good price as tbe beams engines arnt cheap and the e153 box seems to be the holy grail of toyota boxes.
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Hobart, TAS
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October 2004
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 14:28
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Wow! kudos on the great engine conversion! Can't wait to see the 1J in your supra.
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adelaide
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Sun, 28 August 2005 21:54
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how does looming connect up? as in does everything work like it used to?
-speedo
-engine lights
etc etc
and what about aircon? did you hook that up, can it be hooked up?
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tas
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Mon, 29 August 2005 00:10
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toof: charlie was really quite pissed off he let the gerabox go with it, He really regretted selling it. I would of thought the 6 speed would be the holy grail with these boxes? I don't even want to know how much they cost.
negative boost: Thanx Sam. Not long now! i'll ring up the import place today and see what they have to say about that dam halfcut that should of been here months ago! 7mgte will be yours soon!
dr trim: Yeah everything connected up, except for 3 wires that we needed to hook up to a custom connector, one was the alternator, the other was the ignition and i think the 3rd may of been the injector relay or may have been starter relay.
I'm not sure if the Aircon would connect up or not, the beams engine didn't come with one and the old 4age one didn't look like it would carry over. So we just ditched it.
Speedo was one thing that was acting erratic, and i suspect it had another wire attached to it to make it do funny things, unfortunatly i did not have enough time to diagnose and fix that. All engine lights etc worked and everything else worked fine.
Sorry not the speedo, the tacho was acting erraticly, the speedo worked perfectly fine as the speedo cable goes straight into the new gearbox. The tacho would sorta jump up and down around the 2000rpm area, obviously getting some sort of up and down voltage from the incorrect wire.
[Updated on: Mon, 29 August 2005 00:12]
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Re: Beams 3sge into AW11 MR2 conversion.
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Mon, 29 August 2005 00:42
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| dingaling wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 10:10 |
toof: charlie was really quite pissed off he let the gerabox go with it, He really regretted selling it. I would of thought the 6 speed would be the holy grail with these boxes? I don't even want to know how much they cost.
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naa the 6 speed from the rs200 isnt that rare. infact i have this odd feeling it is the same box (different bellhousing) as the nissan s15.
the e153 is the EW transaxle im assuming you have got and put in there. they sell for anything up to $2000 second hand !! crazy i know but its what oeple re asking for them.. off hand they are about $1500US NEW from toyota usa.
but you will be struggling to find a stronger toyota transaxle.
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