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December 2004
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W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 07:06
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Hey guys I was just wondering what gearbox I should use for my next drift car.
I am building another KE70 and need a gearbox that can handle 500hp. I'm not sure if W58's can handle that? and I've heard that R154's are a bit fragile?
Thanks for any imput. I'd prefer the W58 if it can handle it.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 07:15
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A W58 *might* be able to handle it because your car is fairly light (I'm assuming the KE70) and not *hugely* torquey (I'm assuming 1G here).
That said, you'd have to keep fresh oil in it, and you'd need a modicum of mechanical sympathy if it was to last behind that much power.
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Location:
Newcastle, Australia
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August 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 07:31
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I've seen R154's snap with alot less power than what alot of W58's have put through them. Also finding a 1G to R154 bellhousing may be a problem. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one guy's but I can't recall any 1G having an R154 behind it from the factory. 
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December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 07:38
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hey it's not going to be a 1G or SR or anything under 2 litres... and no it's not going to be a 1JZ or any 6 cylinder.
any ideas? haha
but yeah it will have a fair bit of torque to it 
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 07:44
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Turbocharged 1UZFE?
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Registered:
December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 11:53
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nope 
4 cylinder
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Location:
townsville NQLD
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February 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 12:02
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| 1G-GTE KE70 wrote on Fri, 02 September 2005 17:38 |
hey it's not going to be a 1G or SR or anything under 2 litres... and no it's not going to be a 1JZ or any 6 cylinder.
any ideas? haha
but yeah it will have a fair bit of torque to it
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22R 
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 12:27
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go w58 because you are going to get very little of the power to the ground straight away with a ke70.
mick
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December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 13:33
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tubbed rear will have 17x10 rims so getting power to ground will be no problem
brett it's not a 22R haha.
keep guessing.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 13:37
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3RZFE. Actually, the size of the wheels isn't going to be a HUGE factor because it doesn't weigh enough to really use the tyres
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 13:45
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3s-gte?
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July 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 14:14
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| chrisellis wrote on Fri, 02 September 2005 23:15 |
3s-gte?
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thats in the 2 liter club my friend...
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 14:21
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| terra wrote on Sat, 03 September 2005 00:14 |
| chrisellis wrote on Fri, 02 September 2005 23:15 |
3s-gte?
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thats in the 2 liter club my friend...
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this i know, read above "or anything under 2 litres". Under therefor should not rule out the 2 litre class, and hence 3sgte possibility.
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December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 14:29
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3RZ-FE. Frank was right.
I'm buying a long motor from www.lcengineering.com
but yeah about that gearbox... W58?
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July 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 15:13
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| 1G-GTE KE70 wrote on Fri, 02 September 2005 17:08 |
hey it's not going to be a 1G or SR or anything under 2 litres... and no it's not going to be a 1JZ or any 6 cylinder.
any ideas? haha
but yeah it will have a fair bit of torque to it
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some people only read what they want to see...
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u.s.a. south
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April 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Fri, 02 September 2005 21:08
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Don't tacoma truck 4/6cyls already have a solid W gbox behind it ?
Probably only need forged pistons on prepped stock rods, in an otherwise stock motor.... so thats the path I'd go.
I'm sure it'll make enough torque to frighten you in that lightweight
I'm actually looking into the 3.4L tacoma v6, for a swap into an ae86. Full street car. Luv the smoothness. Will put down over 450 ft-lbs tq to the threads on pump gas!!... stock motor, stock ecu, t4 turbo.
Drivetrains are cheap. Just gotta see how "well" it'll fit
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Location:
uk
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September 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sat, 03 September 2005 09:49
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The W58 box wont last very long with 500hp going throught it ,
Your better of going with the r154.
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December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sun, 04 September 2005 05:09
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it is for drifting.
I heard that R154's are fragile as well.
any suggestions?
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Location:
logan river brisbane
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sun, 04 September 2005 11:16
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trust toyota engineers?
What box do they put behind a powerful engine?
OR
take advice from your mates....
i think you can work it out.
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sun, 04 September 2005 11:30
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tubbed 17x10's for drifting in a ke70?
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Location:
Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sun, 04 September 2005 12:14
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| 1G-GTE KE70 wrote on Sun, 04 September 2005 15:09 |
it is for drifting.
I heard that R154's are fragile as well.
any suggestions?
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there is a frail part in the r154 called the 1st gear thrust washer. Replace this with a case hardened unit such as mine which cost $80, and you are away. The gears in them look like diff gears - fucking massive! i have one behind my worked ford v8...will remain to be seen as to how it likes launches and bottom end torque 
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Location:
logan river brisbane
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July 2005
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Sun, 04 September 2005 13:22
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A brisbane based ford mustang importer who also does big blocks purchased an ex 7m r154 off me.He said he has used them behind big V8,s with good results [relevant to their cost]
Blakes advice on the thrust washer is a definite if you plan to shock load the box.[we know you will]
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Registered:
December 2004
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Re: W58 or R154??
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Wed, 07 September 2005 07:04
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R154 it is.
Thanks for everyones imput.
monkey: yes the rear will be tubbed for 17x10's. 2 reasons, firstly there are way more performance tyre sizes available in 17's than just 205/55R15's. secondly, more second hand performance tyres in 17" as well.
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