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sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 11:57
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hey guys.
just wonderign what your opinions on the pro's and con's of the following mention cars are, im lookin to buy soon and am having a hard time choosing. being a toyota forum i can pretty much guess what the answer will be on here but thought id ask yas anyways
just remember
the gti-r runs a 13.4 quater standard
is 4wd 2lt turbo
has quad throttle bodies
comes with top mount cooler
cons
-to replace the clutch is an engine out job
-dotn know how strong the gear boxes are
what does a sw20gt run a quater in?
thanks mates
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 12:21
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SW20GT will manage 14 second 1/4 miles, however it will be able to turn corners pretty well out of the box, as opposed to the GTi-R.
I'd say that the GTi-R has practicality over the SW20, gearboxes aren't too bad in the GTi-R, it just depends on how you treat it really as with any other gearbox. Both cars are pretty pricey to maintain.
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 13:02
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Id like to give u an unbiased comment as I like both the cars equally. I ahve previously owned a sw20gt and i thought it was a great car. Like it was fast on acceleration, handle quiet well although i had coilovers, and it still looks quiet good standard and is a total head turner with a bodykit.
On the other hand my friend was looking at a gti-r before and got turned off due to being an engine out job for the clutch and is generally a costly procedure. On the other hand the gtir is less common and is more unique. They are very good handling car, id say better handling than the sw20 but i guess thats dependent on the driver.
My opinion is Id choose the sw20 over the gtir merely because the fact it is an engine out job for the clutch.
Hope you make a decision but what ever car you would choose id say you wouldnt be disapointed.
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Bankstown
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August 2005
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 13:19
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funny that the gtir has a bad case of understeer and the mr2 has bad case of oversteering.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 13:22
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Whatever you do, don't do burnouts in an AWD unless you wanna be replacing drivetrain components.
I don't imagine the SW20 is gonna be much easier to work on than the GTi-R. The engine bay in MR2s in notoriously puny.
I'd say yeah, the GTi-R has practicality over the MR2. Back seats are usefull if you wanna chuck some friends in the back and go out. It's also good when the girlfriend gets a bit phrisky in the middle of nowhere. 
Boot space is also handy. If you have a day driver too, then perhaps the SW20 is the way to go.
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Perth
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October 2004
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 16:18
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Gti-R is very front heavy - more-so than a WRX, EVO or GT4. I would chose all of them over a GTI-R, and I would choose an SW20 over all of the above (sticking within that ~20k price range, of course).
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 17 September 2005 23:31
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and don't forget the gti-r has been thoroughly beaten with the ugly stick, while the sw20 is sexy as.
Also what are you looking at doing with them and getting out of them? street racer? traffic light GP? sexy cruiser? shopping trolley? 
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sun, 18 September 2005 00:22
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a friend had a lightly tuned gtir basicially upped the boost front mount and a 3" exhaust he was often breaking gearboxes they are very quick little car tho and there is heaps of aftermarket support for the sr20.
The driving position is pretty gay in the gtir and the shifter is not in an ideal place. Bang for buck the gti-r would be better as far as straight line performance goes but i think the mr2 is a better all round package as long as you dont need to take the kids anywhere.
as for mr2's having major oversteer problem this is a myth they dont just snap willy nilly but when they do get sideways you need to be johny on the spot to catch it
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Mon, 19 September 2005 04:16
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i am bias, i say no more then MR2
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October 2002
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Mon, 19 September 2005 05:06
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I haven't driven either car so grain of salt shall be taken.
GTIR on skidpan the other day was understeering like a biatch to begin with but once the driver got a bit more track time it did seem to handle a bit better.
Also, I would like to see this stock gtir run a 13.4 quarter. I beat one at jamboree and I ran 13.7, I think he ran a mid 14 or so. He did munch me off the line but once boost came in I pulled away pretty easily.
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Ballarat, Vic.
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September 2002
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Mon, 19 September 2005 05:32
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Haven driven a mates GTi-R, they are verry nice cars to drive, his was worked mildly. Aparently box's are a bitch on them.
I'd go for the 'R unless your buying a later model sw20
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Vic
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Penrith, Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Mon, 19 September 2005 07:18
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well i don't really know about sw20's but I do own a sc aw11 and apart from the fact that I can not have as much junk, or more than 2 people in my car, compared to my mates gtir. I would istantly choose my car over his. Although mine is midly worked and his is butt standard (with a supposedly cactus a/f meter  )anyway, i beat him in a drag no sweat equal off the line until I gained traction, and i can corner alot fast than he can (but I do have koni adjustable shocks, nulethane[sp?] bushes, and lowered 1.5 inch and have 17" wheels), whereas he has 15 inch wheels standard hight and standard shocks.
so i would say sw20, but then again it comes down to what you want it from, fast and be able to carry the groceries, or fast and not have to worry about back seat drivers
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Brisbane
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March 2005
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Tue, 20 September 2005 07:17
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you guys really do swing me in the direction of the sw20.. but i spose thats what i get for posting it on TOYMODS.
that above pic of the white sw almost made me stop everything and buy one on the spot! its awesome. and also thanks for the video.
im now just waiting for the right car to pop up and call my name, i think ill know it as soon as i see it. and the thought of driving down the coast with the targa roof taken off and only 2 seats (ferrari style) is very persuading towards the mr2.
will be test driving a sw20gt on the weekend. ill let you know
thanks again
BOCKA
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:11
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Yeah u know it has to be the SW20
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Thu, 22 September 2005 06:32
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2 seater vs 4 seater ?
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November 2004
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Fri, 23 September 2005 14:46
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Driven both, my stock MR2 (boost upped a few PSI) absolutely slaugthered my mates gti-r with intake mods and 3" cat back exhaust. I dunno where the 13.4 figure for GTI-r's came from.
Mr2's much more classy, IMHO. And looks oh so sexy. Targa rocks, my first MR2 had targa, nice long country drives it was awesome, current MR2 is hardtop unfortunately, so no more fun for me  Maybe a sunroof will be in store one day
Pics of both cars @ http://members.optusnet.com.au/totencole/mr2
Now you tell me which one looks sexier 
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Fri, 23 September 2005 17:09
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In a GTiR you'll get alot of boy racers attention.
In the MR2 everyone usually chats to you at the lights. I've been driving around with the targa off this week and i've been getting comments such as - how car the looks, must be sweet to grab a nice tan with the roof off.
Also While backing out I had some regular guy walking down the main st as you do come to a complete dead stop after I locked my car. His jaw dropped and tried to figure out what kind of car it was (Debaged toyota and mr2 rear symbols) He couldn't believe it was a 15 Year old Vehicle and called me a bs liar. LOL
If you do go MR2 - Go 1993+ GEN 3 Map sensored motor as you wont ever be dissapointed and these cars run 13.3 factory.
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melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 24 September 2005 09:39
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those are exactly the 2 cars in deciding between for my next car!
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Townsville
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February 2005
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sat, 24 September 2005 11:41
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I have a little experience with gti-rs considering my brother has one.
His has front mount, cat back 3" exhaust and about 12psi. It runs 13.1 with exhaust, 12.8 by the previous owner with the exhaust dropped at the cat. Also ran a very low 13 with exhaust dropped, stock boost.
To drive it I dont notice the understeer too much, but then again my daily is fwd. I like the driving position, but I wouldnt call it overly sporty, but its definately usable. Steering feels pretty good and direct. 5 seats can be a huge benefit if you require it occasionally though. We drove townsville --> Brisbane, which was a noisey experience to say the least!
He races at the track that I do as well, its a short tight track, his car is about 0.6 seconds a lap quicker than my track only t18, which isnt too great, but thats on his one attempt. t18 is stock 3tc with sidedrafts, extractors and side pipe, cut springs, camber, stripped interior, all running on 195 6 year old street tires. Really it will probably about 1-1.5 seconds a lap quicker once he learns to drive. Not huge really considering.
We did the engine out clutch change on the driveway, took 1 1/2 days out, 1 1/2 in. Since then we have had a lot of experience (more on this soon). His gearbox has held up with a fair bit of drags and some circuit. 2nd seems to be the problem (as mentioned shortly ).
Im summary I would say gtir is a very fast version of a cheap car. Its great for flogging around town, a bit of strip work and a bit of circuit work, as long as you are gentle. 12's are no worry what so ever on the stock turbo!
Whoever mentioned they have 3 lsds is not correct, front is apparently open except for the dakar spec ones.
Now about gearboxes
My house mate has a SSS attessa import sr20det awd bluebird. They run an s13 type sr20det and awd. The gearbox is pretty much identical to the gti-r except for a front viscous lsd.
The car is pretty stock, front mount, 3" and a load of boost. He gave it a stab in 2nd gear, resulted in the stripping of a few teeth from second. He did drive hard so it didnt suprise him, we reckon the extra weight of the bluebird was enough to put the box over the edge. So out came the engine and gearbox on the driveway again.
5 months later a new straight cut gearbox turns up. Back it in goes. A bit over a thousand km run it, takes it to the drags and doesnt even make it to the 60 foot line before the end of the case pops off and out comes some lovely blue shockproof oil. Turns out some how one of the gears fused its self to the shaft and resulted in a snapped output shaft, which sheared and pushed the end of the box off.
Out comes engine and box again, it was all covered under warantee. Another 2 months or so box 2 turns up. This was in the car and running mid last week, so hopefully it holds up. I wont mention the gearset manufacturer, but to there credit they admitted the error and modified the design and cover it all on warantee. The second gearset was delivered quicker than the first also.
So on that note, gti-rs can be risky, but they are a good fun fast car if you treat them well. They can be made to handle, stock and anything else you want to do, just depends on how much you want to pay and what you want it for.
I would personally pick an mr2 turbo, a. because my brother has one, b. Because I want more of all rounder, hopefully with some comfort and space is not of concern at this point in my life.
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Re: sw20 turbo VS nissan gti-r pulsar
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Sun, 25 September 2005 09:07
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hey guys,
good comments by all, and i agree with the major ones, being
- mr2 is better lookin (although the pulsar is a mean looker)
- clutch out job being a pain in the ass
- targa tops makin for some sweet times 
- toyota make a quality car and engine
- both car are expensive to maintain
also some of you have been asking where the figure of 13.4 quater mile time for gtir's has come from, its a direct qoute from a article in high performance imports magazine issue number 22 where they compare a gtir pulsar to a mazda familia gtr (gtir comes out on top but good comparison). so thanks people for your comments. been a good read and iv located a nice sw20 gt targa that im enquiring about at the moment.
BOCKA
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