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i might warn some people that the photo's are quiet graffic of the after effects on the girls face.
Very sad and backs up the reason why not to drink and drive. 
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Mon, 10 February 2003 02:42
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I feel so sorry for that poor girl and her family.
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Mon, 10 February 2003 04:10
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That's so sad.
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Mon, 10 February 2003 05:31
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life can be so cruel. that poor girl.
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Mon, 10 February 2003 05:33
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Someone sent me a Powerpoint presentation about that not long ago, went into a bit more detail. It was really sad.
She has since become a spokeswoman for that sort of stuff. In that last photo from memory she was only 22/23.
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Mon, 10 February 2003 10:51
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another glorious example of modern medicine 'saving' someone who should, by all rights and natural reasoning, be dead...
sigh
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Mon, 10 February 2003 10:57
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That really hits home.
I'm pretty sure I would rather be dead.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Mon, 10 February 2003 11:48
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But would it be completely OK if I were SOBER, doing 160 kph around a corner and lost it, crashing headlong into her car and causing the same injuries?
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Mon, 10 February 2003 12:33
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 10 February 2003 22:48 |
But would it be completely OK if I were SOBER, doing 160 kph around a corner and lost it, crashing headlong into her car and causing the same injuries?
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and who knows what kind of incompetant, irresposnsible f-wit would do anything like that.
thats right. everyone can sit in their ivory towers and go "wow, thats bad" but practically everyone here is more than potentially capable, hell is fence sitting on the probability that they could realistically do this to somone one day.
food for thought
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 10 February 2003 21:48 |
But would it be completely OK if I were SOBER, doing 160 kph around a corner and lost it, crashing headlong into her car and causing the same injuries?
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That sounds like you don't like the bagging of drunk people driving.
Sorry if you didn't mean that, but that's what it looks like.
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Mon, 10 February 2003 13:50
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GT has a point, if this was the outcome of reckless driving it would make us think about our actions a little more maybe?
Maybe this thread should be called "Don't drive Irresponsibly", because in my opinion drink driving is only one way of driving irresponsibly. Drifting, street racing etc are all reckless and the above illustrates what can happen. I know we are not all going to do the speed limit now but the point is shit happens to all of us, not just those of us who choose to drink and drive, but also those who choose to drive and speed.
Maybe this is why we have race tracks?
(Note: this is just my personal ramblings, feel free to disregard.)
Cheers
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Mon, 10 February 2003 23:58
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A scary thought is that this shit can happen so easily. You dont even have to be doing something stupid, all it takes is a lapse of concentration, changing a cd or just fatigue. Cars are more dangerous a weapon than any of the guns etc that the government have banned. I was watching a documentary once and they said that at the time of the vietnam war more people in america were dying each year in car accidents then in the entire vietnam war.
so everyone be careful, Drink driving is just stupid
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Tue, 11 February 2003 00:10
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| wilbo666 wrote on Tue, 11 February 2003 00:50 |
..... but the point is shit happens to all of us, not just those of us who choose to drink and drive, but also those who choose to drive and speed.
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Or even drive and talk on mobile phones (recent precedent).
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Tue, 11 February 2003 03:11
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 ummmmm........... all i can see is a lot of foreign writing and sex add's???
can someone please point me in the right direction.. 
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Tue, 11 February 2003 06:39
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John, click the link at the top of this page not the links in your favorites 
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Tue, 11 February 2003 08:24
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Well I must have Johns favourites as well cause Im getting the same stuff..not that Im complaining
*drools whilst viewing porn sites* 
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Tue, 11 February 2003 08:28
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 You should see the contents of Johns' hdd 
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Tue, 11 February 2003 08:42
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not any more....
my old computer has crashed for good this time.... 
(lucky i got it all onto some cd-roms though)..
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Tue, 11 February 2003 08:51
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I dont know what you want all that gay male porn for anyway 
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Tue, 11 February 2003 08:54
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Guys,
I don't think this is the place to be discussing your home movies
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Tue, 11 February 2003 09:22
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yeah i'm gay... LESBIAN GAY that is...
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Tue, 11 February 2003 09:25
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Thats not exactly true now is it? Remember your birthday party and we went down to your back shed?
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Tue, 11 February 2003 10:45
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 10 February 2003 23:26 |
| Apollo wrote on Mon, 10 February 2003 23:57 |
That sounds like you don't like the bagging of drunk people driving.
Sorry if you didn't mean that, but that's what it looks like.
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I suppose you're right, particularly when it is done by a group of people who engage in similarly irresponsible acts.
I'm just wondering what the difference is between drink driving and maiming this girl vs. speeding and maiming this girl?
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After this one, and a few more below yours, I understand your point.
Pity I still havn't been able to see the original link. It keeps timing out on me and doesn't connect.
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I was watching a documentary once and they said that at the time of the vietnam war more people in america were dying each year in car accidents then in the entire vietnam war.
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I think that might have been from the non-compulsory seatbelt wearing laws. Well, lack of laws.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Best thing to come from volvo though was the 3point belt.
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Tue, 11 February 2003 10:55
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It could have well been, but the fact still remains cars are dangerous and we need to be carefull with them mainly in regards to our passengers and others on the road.
I can see nothing wrong with drifting etc as long as there is no chance of someone else getting hurt.
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Tue, 11 February 2003 15:25
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"You can put a bullet through my head, but you can't kill the word I said."
This is one of very few sentences that i can read on that site. i am not gay and i do not have johns favorites. stop confussing me and tell me WHERES THE BLOODY PHOTOS
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Tue, 11 February 2003 20:00
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sorry about the link guys it's might have gone down. but here's a link to the powerpoint presentation
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/kcm/DrinkDriving.p ps
i haven't seen the power presentation but i think it similar to the web page
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Wed, 12 February 2003 01:13
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*shudders*
Thats some powerful stuff.
I dont understand people who drink and drive.
If your going to drink, leave the car at home.
He should have got life, IMO drinking and then driving is the same as taking a rifle to a crowded mall with the intent to kill people.
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Wed, 12 February 2003 08:10
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I can't view it...
I'll have to get powerpoint and then try again...
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Wed, 12 February 2003 08:51
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I don't think I could live with that on my concience If I caused that.
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Wed, 12 February 2003 09:10
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Thanks Shane,
It's workin now...
Holy shit... That is creepy...
I don't know how someone could go on living like that...
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Thu, 13 February 2003 00:24
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I can confess to doing things which are frowned upon in this thread, but I can tell you that people feel much safer when I'm driving than when many others are driving.
It all comes down to driving within your limits and being aware. Yes, I drive like a maniac, but I know my car's manerisms inside out, and I'm always scanning the road two to three cars ahead and one car behind me when I drive.
These accidents happen when you go past your limits. Drink driving reduces those limits, but I really don't think it's that bad if you stay in your limits (even if it means crawling along at 20km/h).
Yes, that's a very controversial opinion, but I believe there are many, many things that are worse than drunk driving and speeding.
Anyone ever driven home at 7am after a night/morning of clubbing? When you're driving along and you're drifting into and out of sleep....
What about throwing your car into a corner not knowing what the grip levels are like?
I've seen accidents happen in bumper to bumper traffic because people aren't paying attention.
I've nearly been T-boned more times than I can count by people who just simply don't look where they're going.
There will always be maniacs on the roads, and there are also many people who don't know their cars and don't pay any attention to their surroundings or just simply lack driving skill.
The drinking driving message has been hammered home now. What we need is better driver education. I reckon advanced driving courses should be compulsory for everyone who's about to get a licence.
I'm a Board member so I have to add a disclaimer:
These are my opinions, not those of the Toymods Board.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 01:49
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 11:24 |
It all comes down to driving within your limits and being aware.
These accidents happen when you go past your limits.
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The problem of course is that with an increasingly elevated BAC, one is rendered increasingly incompetent of making value judgements. If you are blind drunk (or even a bit tipsy) how do you know what those limits are?
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Yes, I drive like a maniac, but I know my car's mannerisms inside out......What about throwing your car into a corner not knowing what the grip levels are like?
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Road grip levels have nothing to do with your car's 'mannerisms'. Also your car will behave very differently if one of your tyres rolled off the rim (for example).
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What we need is better driver education. I reckon advanced driving courses should be compulsory for everyone who's about to get a licence.
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Small studies in the USA have demonstrated that advanced driving courses when administered to drivers actually increased the accident rate. This was attributed to an inflated sense of invincibility. The whole atmosphere of ADCs is wrong. They are conducted on racetracks - this adds to sense that a driver who has successfully completed such a course is now a 'race driver' and more likely to behave recklessly on the roads.
With regard to BAC, the answer is simple - BAC of 0.00 or immediate loss of licence. A licence is a privilege, not a right. In my opinion, drink driving (or any reckless, cretinous behaviour) forfeits that.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 02:27
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| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 12:49 |
Road grip levels have nothing to do with your car's 'mannerisms'. Also your car will behave very differently if one of your tyres rolled off the rim (for example).
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That's why I only drive like that when I'm alone and there are no other cars on the road. If an accident happens, at least I won't take anyone with me.
| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 12:49 |
Small studies in the USA have demonstrated that advanced driving courses when administered to drivers actually increased the accident rate. This was attributed to an inflated sense of invincibility. The whole atmosphere of ADCs is wrong. They are conducted on racetracks - this adds to sense that a driver who has successfully completed such a course is now a 'race driver' and more likely to behave recklessly on the roads.
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That just comes down to how you view those advanced driving courses.
If they were viewed as educational and related to safety, then I don't think that it'll be a problem.
Americans are a "special" bunch.... If you do an advanced driving course and see it as improving your driving skills for driving fast, then of course you're gonna be more dangerous, but you were dangerous to start off with.
Being a redneck doesn't help either... 
| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 12:49 |
With regard to BAC, the answer is simple - BAC of 0.00 or immediate loss of licence. A licence is a privilege, not a right. In my opinion, drink driving (or any reckless, cretinous behaviour) forfeits that.
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That's a bit harsh isn't it? What if you're taking medication that has alcohol content?
What if you just sniffed someone's perfume?
Sorry dude, but that's extreme enough to be considered Nazi-like.
I mean that in the nicest possible way of course.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 03:07
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 13:27 |
That's why I only drive like that when I'm alone and there are no other cars on the road. If an accident happens, at least I won't take anyone with me.
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That's very altruistic, and if you take yourself out and die, then the cost to society is minimal. Unfortunately, if you end up in a permanent vegetative state secondary to a closed head injury, the cost to society is significant, let alone the cost to family.
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That just comes down to how you view those advanced driving courses.
If they were viewed as educational and related to safety, then I don't think that it'll be a problem.
Americans are a "special" bunch.... If you do an advanced driving course and see it as improving your driving skills for driving fast, then of course you're gonna be more dangerous, but you were dangerous to start off with.
Being a redneck doesn't help either...
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Whilst I'm prepared to accept there are societal differences between Americans and Australians, these 2 cultures are ultimately remarkably similar. I agree that larger randomised controlled trials (RCT) need to be performed to get a better answer, but at present, all relevant data points to an increased accident rate. Whilst the road toll is a major issue, I don't think a responsible government should be throwing good money at something that may actually have a detrimental effect. A RCT should be conducted before anything like this were introduced as compulsory.
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That's a bit harsh isn't it? What if you're taking medication that has alcohol content?
What if you just sniffed someone's perfume?
Sorry dude, but that's extreme enough to be considered Nazi-like.
I mean that in the nicest possible way of course.
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Nope, not at all. Sweden pursues such a policy of alcohol non tolerance, and they're a friendly democratic country. It requires a paradigm shift in Australian culture such that alcohol and driving are considered mutually exclusive.
Apart from cough elixirs, I'm not aware of any medicines that contain alcohol. Sniffing perfume would result in a negligible increase in BAC.
Of course this remains a friendly discourse, just an exchange of opinions.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 03:59
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| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 14:07 |
That's very altruistic, and if you take yourself out and die, then the cost to society is minimal. Unfortunately, if you end up in a permanent vegetative state secondary to a closed head injury, the cost to society is significant, let alone the cost to family.
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hehe True, but I wouldn't push that hard, not on public roads at least. I could handle crashing my car, but I wouldn't do anything to risk personal injury. The family would be devastated.
| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 14:07 |
Whilst I'm prepared to accept there are societal differences between Americans and Australians, these 2 cultures are ultimately remarkably similar. I agree that larger randomised controlled trials (RCT) need to be performed to get a better answer, but at present, all relevant data points to an increased accident rate. Whilst the road toll is a major issue, I don't think a responsible government should be throwing good money at something that may actually have a detrimental effect. A RCT should be conducted before anything like this were introduced as compulsory.
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When I did an advanced driving course, it was an eye opener for most of the people. And put the hoons in their place.
My personal feelings were that it was a real good education for the people there, and I don't think it would've made anyone a more dangerous driver. Everyone there lost control of their cars (except me of course... hehe).
| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 14:07 |
Nope, not at all. Sweden pursues such a policy of alcohol non tolerance, and they're a friendly democratic country. It requires a paradigm shift in Australian culture such that alcohol and driving are considered mutually exclusive.
Apart from cough elixirs, I'm not aware of any medicines that contain alcohol. Sniffing perfume would result in a negligible increase in BAC.
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Interesting... I suppose that Sweden is near Germany.... hehe
And the perfume thing was shitstirring....... But imagine if you were stuck in a car with 4 girls each with purfume on.... And you take a deep breath before an RBT!!
The thing is that the BAC isn't that good an indicator of someone's motor ability. I can drink half a bottle of scotch and not feel it, but gimme two beers and I'm gone...
I think most Australians these days know that it's wrong to drink and drive. I just think that they should be focussing on other things rather than the drink drive message.
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Of course this remains a friendly discourse, just an exchange of opinions.
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I think we need to get into those big sumo suits and settle this once and for all!
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 14:59 |
The thing is that the BAC isn't that good an indicator of someone's motor ability.
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Whist I agree that the absolute BAC value is not a good indicator of motor function (we've all seen the drunk who can stand after a blinder - I have even looked after a guy with BAC of 0.66 who was still breathing!), there is a strong positive correlation. However, more importantly, BAC is directly related to cognition. This is an extremely important component of the decision making process.
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I think we need to get into those big sumo suits and settle this once and for all!
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A mental image I would have preferred not to have had!
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Ok Gianttomato.... what is your occupation???
You talk about BAC's and closed head injuries.... common terminology in my field.... well more so when I work in A&E or neuro!
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Thu, 13 February 2003 05:38
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ICU registrar with way too much time up his sleeves.
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On the zero tolerance of BAC issue..
Since the first test is done on breath alcohol levels (calculated as BAC) not actual blood levels, things like breath freshners and cherry ripes (old wives tale?) can show inaccurate heightened levels that wouldn't be reciprocated in your blood. If you don't have any drinks and drive, the 0.02 BAC is your safety barrier.
My theory: It's easier just to not have that first drink, than to be tempted for the next and the next then guessing your level, before hopping in the car.
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LoL I thought you were in the medical field.... by the way what state you in?
LOL must be a quiet ICU!!! You are always on!!
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Hehehe....only seven punters today. Also part time job....doing PhD the other part of the time so I'm always near a computer.
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