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ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:09
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i think its 24mm front and 16mm rear from memory?
can anyone confirm?
no i can just go an measure it - i have no verniers or measuring devices at this place 
barbaric, i know
cheers
ed
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:11
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SEARCH!!!!!!! 
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I Supported Toymods
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:21
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Got a crossmember sitting in my garage with swaybar still attached...
want me to measure the diameter with a string? 
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melbourne.vic.au
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Hobart, Tas
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:27
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On a kind of related note, does anyone know how similar the shape of xA6x Supra & xA6x Celica swaybars are?
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:32
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which then raises the interesting point...
why did whiteline decide that their ma61 bars would be 18mm and 27mm respectively? that equates to a % increase of 60% on the rear, yet only 36% on the front???
as if the ma61 wasnt tail happy enough already 
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 13:51
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OD isn't everything when it comes to swaybars... some are hollow, some solid, etc etc. But even still... NFI. Whiteline do odd things. IIRC their front/rear spring rates for xA6xs are pretty werid too.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Wed, 21 September 2005 14:03
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those % rates are taken from whiteline's diameter conversion chart
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 01:07
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| Stefan wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 23:27 |
On a kind of related note, does anyone know how similar the shape of xA6x Supra & xA6x Celica swaybars are?
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Rear should be the same (for IRS models of course), but there are some differences in the front. I don't know the details, but I know Paul Pyyvaara had to make a few modifications to make a Celica swaybar fit on his MA61.
Note to Ed: if you're planning to buy a Whiteline swaybar, be careful. The aforementioned swaybar used by PP was a Whiteline product listed as an MA61 part, but it didn't fit. Further investigation revealed it was a Celica swaybar; apparently Whiteline thinks the Celica and Supra have an identical front end.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 02:16
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Thanks Norbie. I thinking along the lines of a supra swaybar maybe clearing the front sump on my 1G. (Being in Tassie I can't just rock up to Kmac/Whiteline etc and get them to make me a custom one...though I suppose I may end up having to give measurements over the phone).
As I said, the whiteline spring rates were bit whack (much stiffer in the front, fairly soft i nthe back IIRC) so other celica/supra oddness o ntheir part doesn't surprise me at all.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 02:38
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You could just try kmac or someone else instead.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 03:17
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the man has a point
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 03:31
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ah K-mac bunch o crap...
"ya boss.. ey? what, you mean size? nah, me not know what the size is boss, ill have to look it up..."
looks like ill need to scrounge a front and rear bar from the wreckers, and say here - make one of these, only fatter...
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:12
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 13:31 |
ah K-mac bunch o crap...
"ya boss.. ey? what, you mean size? nah, me not know what the size is boss, ill have to look it up..."
looks like ill need to scrounge a front and rear bar from the wreckers, and say here - make one of these, only fatter...
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:13
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 13:17 |
the man has a point
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Yay! I've been waiting for someone to say that for years 
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:32
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 13:31 |
looks like ill need to scrounge a front and rear bar from the wreckers, and say here - make one of these, only fatter...
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Or, you could wait for me to measure my stock bars tonight. Send me a PM to remind me. 
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:53
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not a MA61 but;
something to note for live axle celicas (pre RA60);
assuming the front is the same for ra23/28/40's , a cressida 24mm sway bar will bolt straight in. . its actually about 5mm wider but it still fits no problem.
stiffens things rite up  , standard is like 19mm i think
for the rear on my ra40 (can't confirm for ra23/28); RA60 rear sway bar will bolt straight in no problems. of course, the mounts have to be put on the diff but thats no problem. there are holes already in my chassis box rails for the other mounts ??!!
not the thickest sway bar but sure beats having nothing at all
bit off topic but say i got an engineering place to weld up one of the holes and redrill them the correct width on a RA60 steering arm (whatever they are called ) to fit my ra40 struts - would this totally fuk the strength of the arm??
2 reasons for wanting to do this:
1. slightly more hole offset (-ve camber)
2. much much shorter (less turns for lock to lock)
feel free to ignore it if you think its way off topic (no point starting a new thread though)
thanks
brett
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 06:35
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| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 14:53 |
bit off topic but say i got an engineering place to weld up one of the holes and redrill them the correct width on a RA60 steering arm (whatever they are called ) to fit my ra40 struts - would this totally fuk the strength of the arm??
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Yes. It's a cast part so you can't do this. You'll never get your car engineered with modifications to the steering arm.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 11:13
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OK, I just measured my spare MA61 swaybars.
Front: 24mm
Rear: 16mm
Look like you remembered correctly.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 12:23
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norbs - the front definitely isnt hollow is it??
looks like whiteline may have gotten it right then... thats and equal 60% increase fr and rr..
cheers mate
ed
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 15:08
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 22:23 |
norbs - the front definitely isnt hollow is it??
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Dunno - how can you tell? (Without cutting it in half that is).
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 21:53
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it would weigh a lot (or not)
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 23:22
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Oh. My spare swaybar is still attached to a spare front end (crossmember, control arms etc) so it's pretty hard to tell.
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Thu, 22 September 2005 23:52
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ahhh k - no problem
theres a ma61 at the wreckers that i think still has the bars in place, ill just go brag those on sunday
thanks again norbie
cheers
ed
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Sun, 25 September 2005 06:15
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I'd rate the chances that the stock MA61 swaybar being hollow is elevnty billion to one.
It may be on some high end cars and some of the new ones as they try and reduce weight, but not on most cars.
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Sun, 25 September 2005 11:06
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yup, ma61 from bar is solid...
and can i add what a f**kin* *unt that front bar is to get out...
arrghhh
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Re: ma61 STOCK sway bar sizes ??
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Mon, 26 September 2005 01:22
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LOL it's so true!
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